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Posted: 2/2/2015 2:09 PM
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I think Beau up the middle would have been a better option!
Seattle Albin'd it.
Are you saying the pass on their final play was a good call?
Nope. "To Albin" is to boneheadedly stick to the same playcalling script when all evidence suggests that you do something else. In this case, Seattle decided to run a pick play/slant route, because their playcalling script said to throw a pass on the goalline to burn a down and kill some clock, and it was a play they ran many times in that same situation. Butler from NE did his homework and read the play correctly. Boom, game over.

All evidence suggested #BeastMode 3 more times, if necessary (it wouldn't have been). But the script said "pass on 2nd down," so that's what they Albin'd. If they really wanted to run clock, Wilson should have just QB sneaked it to the 6 inch line.

And if you REALLY want to pass, throw the uninterceptable fade to the 6'5" WR that had been killing NE all night long. Don't throw the slant into the heart of the defense, just because that's a play you like to run on the goalline. That's pure Albin'ing.
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Posted: 2/2/2015 6:49 PM
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L.C., thanks for that info on Cohen for OCF and me. Looks like he was a 2 star guy. OCF wasn't trying to be cute but he wants me to say that all we should recruit is 2 star and under the radar guys 'cause one is now on a Super bowl roster. I'd still rather have 20-3 star recruits every year...Sorry for bringing the subject up again but OCF made me do it:)


No that's not exactly what I'm saying. I'm just saying that the star rating system isn't all it's cracked up to be. In general I'd rather have four-star recruit than a two-star recruit, everything else being equal. Everything else isn't always equal, though. ;-) Now, I only wish I had the power over some other posters that I have over you. I'd make them do all sorts of crazy stuff! ;-)
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Posted: 2/2/2015 7:20 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
L.C., thanks for that info on Cohen for OCF and me. Looks like he was a 2 star guy. OCF wasn't trying to be cute but he wants me to say that all we should recruit is 2 star and under the radar guys 'cause one is now on a Super bowl roster. I'd still rather have 20-3 star recruits every year...Sorry for bringing the subject up again but OCF made me do it:)

In fairness, apples aren't always apples, and oranges aren't always oranges. In 2004 not all the players were even rated. If you look at the 2004 class, per Scout.com you find that it included one 3-star player (Brooks Rossman), six 2-star players, and 12 no-star players. Arguably if you were going to compare to today, the 2-star players of 2004 were the 3-star players of today.
http://tinyurl.com/l5sr8tx

As for Rivals.com, they only rated five Ohio players that year, and Cohen wasn't one of them. http://tinyurl.com/lhfxhks

In any case, you can't reach any conclusion from a sample size of one.
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:48 AM
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In fairness, apples aren't always apples, and oranges aren't always oranges.
True. I once bought a case of apples at Costco, but they were not apples, they were "grapples" -- apples that were crossed with grapes. They had the appearance and texture of an apple with the taste of a grape.
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:49 AM
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I think Beau up the middle would have been a better option!
Seattle Albin'd it.
Are you saying the pass on their final play was a good call?
Nope. "To Albin" is to boneheadedly stick to the same playcalling script when all evidence suggests that you do something else. In this case, Seattle decided to run a pick play/slant route, because their playcalling script said to throw a pass on the goalline to burn a down and kill some clock, and it was a play they ran many times in that same situation. Butler from NE did his homework and read the play correctly. Boom, game over.

All evidence suggested #BeastMode 3 more times, if necessary (it wouldn't have been). But the script said "pass on 2nd down," so that's what they Albin'd. If they really wanted to run clock, Wilson should have just QB sneaked it to the 6 inch line.

And if you REALLY want to pass, throw the uninterceptable fade to the 6'5" WR that had been killing NE all night long. Don't throw the slant into the heart of the defense, just because that's a play you like to run on the goalline. That's pure Albin'ing.
So in other words, "Beau up the middle"...
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Posted: 2/3/2015 12:00 PM
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So in other words, "Beau up the middle"...
Nah, BUTM would be Albin'ing if it's 3rd and 8, and we BUTM'ed on 1st and 2nd down already. BUTM on 2nd and goal from the 1, when BUTM is averaging 4.25 per pop, and you absolutely have to score a touchdown on one of the next 3 plays, wouldn't be Albin'ing. Even BUTM can get 1 yard on 3 tries.
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Posted: 2/3/2015 12:30 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
I think Beau up the middle would have been a better option!
Seattle Albin'd it.
Are you saying the pass on their final play was a good call?
Nope. "To Albin" is to boneheadedly stick to the same playcalling script when all evidence suggests that you do something else. In this case, Seattle decided to run a pick play/slant route, because their playcalling script said to throw a pass on the goalline to burn a down and kill some clock, and it was a play they ran many times in that same situation. Butler from NE did his homework and read the play correctly. Boom, game over.

All evidence suggested #BeastMode 3 more times, if necessary (it wouldn't have been). But the script said "pass on 2nd down," so that's what they Albin'd. If they really wanted to run clock, Wilson should have just QB sneaked it to the 6 inch line.

And if you REALLY want to pass, throw the uninterceptable fade to the 6'5" WR that had been killing NE all night long. Don't throw the slant into the heart of the defense, just because that's a play you like to run on the goalline. That's pure Albin'ing.
I posted this in the Basketball thread (it's been that kind of year for basketball when the Super Bowl is discussed more in the Hoops thread than actual hoops) that to the contrary, allegedly Seattle had tried to run Lynch 5 times from their opponents' 1 yard line this year and he only made it to the end zone once. So maybe Lynch up the middle, around the ends, whatever, was more likely to fail given past experience?
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Posted: 2/3/2015 2:50 PM
EDIT: It appears the links to 2007 rivals disappear after a period of time but you can access by going to team rankings and then click on 2007 for each team.



Super Bowl 2-Star Players

Russell Wilson was a 2-Star QB who almost begged to be given a scholarship to

UVA to play football and baseball. Other than NC State, the only D1 school to offer was Duke and Bill O'Brien was the coach recruiting Russell. (Hit Show All).

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recru...

The QB that Groh passed up Wilson for was Peter Lalich whose father and grandfather went to Ohio University. Lalich had a drinking problem and was booted from UVA and then booted from Oregon State before ending his career at the University of California of PA.

Lalich looked better on paper than Russell, but this is why you have to factor character and discipline when recruiting.

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recru...

In the same recruiting class, Al Groh offered Danny Aiken a 2-Star athlete from Fork Union. Danny Aiken earned a Super Bowl Ring Sunday as the long-snapper for New England.

http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recru...


Julian Edelman - 2-Stars
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-J...


Patrick Jeffers was a walk-on at UVA under George Welsh and won a Super Bowl ring with Denver.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Jeffers
Last Edited: 2/3/2015 6:34:50 PM by Bobcat Grad 86
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Posted: 2/3/2015 3:02 PM
BG86 . . . very interesting information. On the advent of LOI signing day it's well to keep this in mind. The star-rating system is only a very rough indicator of a recruit's potential. There are many intangibles as well as hard-to-predict future growth potential that means an astute coach can often find diamonds in the rough. Here's to a whole class of future greats signing with OHIO tomorrow!
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Posted: 2/3/2015 3:20 PM
On the bright side for Landon he gets a $49k pre-tax bonus for being apart of the losing Super Bowl team.
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Posted: 2/3/2015 4:04 PM
Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more
Super Bowl 2-Star Players

Russell Wilson was a 2-Star QB who almost begged to be given a scholarship to UVA to play football and baseball. Other than NC State, the only D1 school to offer was Duke and Bill O'Brien was the coach recruiting Russell. (Hit Show All).
IIRC, the knock on Wilson was that he was "too short" to play QB effectively. Whoops!
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Posted: 2/4/2015 11:52 AM
BobcatGrad, I am quite sure there are a number of 2-star or even NR guys on both rosters.

I will also bet anyone a Greater's hot fudge sundae there are more 3-star recruits on those two rosters than 2 star guys! I think we all really do agree there are some under the radar guys that make it and some 3 star guys that don't. Still, I'd take 15-20 3 star guys every year. That's what the Top 50-60 programs are doing if you look at Scout and that is who I would like to be like! Then, in the Top 20 all you see is 3 stars and above. I think I saw toswho had only ONE 2 star recruit...a long snapper. The majority of there class is ALL 3/4 star guys. Go to the other end with Kent and the other bottom feeders and you see a lot more 2 star and NR guys. I don't want to be like that.
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Posted: 2/4/2015 2:50 PM
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BobcatGrad, I am quite sure there are a number of 2-star or even NR guys on both rosters.

I will also bet anyone a Greater's hot fudge sundae there are more 3-star recruits on those two rosters than 2 star guys! I think we all really do agree there are some under the radar guys that make it and some 3 star guys that don't. Still, I'd take 15-20 3 star guys every year. That's what the Top 50-60 programs are doing if you look at Scout and that is who I would like to be like! Then, in the Top 20 all you see is 3 stars and above. I think I saw toswho had only ONE 2 star recruit...a long snapper. The majority of there class is ALL 3/4 star guys. Go to the other end with Kent and the other bottom feeders and you see a lot more 2 star and NR guys. I don't want to be like that.
Sir, the coaches are ahead of the services. I am sorry if the coaches realize someone without stars is a player with whom they would like to spend 4-5 years working. Their record shows many of their picks eventually get upgraded or realize potential the coaches see, but, services don't. Carrie or Brazill anyone.
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