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Posted: 2/11/2015 5:29 PM
Previously there was supposed to be a big jump in 2016 in the academic requirements to be eligible to play college sports:
http://tinyurl.com/n25ozlp

With the new release, the academic limits, including the sliding scale, will go unchanged, however, for those with grades at the lower end of the scale, they will be required to redshirt their first year:
http://tinyurl.com/ndwm4k4
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Posted: 2/12/2015 11:44 AM
I'm wondering if this will be a precursor to allowing more kids who are non-qualifiers to go to the school of their choice. If they are required to redshirt that first year, then qualifying shouldn't become much of a problem.

In other words, maybe a school says "come redshirt with us for a year to get your grades up, then we'll get you on the field." If it eventually comes to something like that, the JUCO system might take a hit.
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Posted: 2/12/2015 12:43 PM
If the previously announced higher standards had gone into effect, there would have been a big growth in the JUCO system, since even more kids would have ended up there. What this change did was basically to preserve the status quo as far as the size of the JUCO system, and who goes there, but it also raises academic standards, too, in a less direct way.

Kids that got in before will still get in, and kids that went to JUCO before will still need to go to JUCO. The difference is that a portion of those that get in will no longer have the option of playing as a Freshman because it raises the academic requirement necessary to actually play.
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Posted: 2/12/2015 5:43 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I'm wondering if this will be a precursor to allowing more kids who are non-qualifiers to go to the school of their choice. If they are required to redshirt that first year, then qualifying shouldn't become much of a problem.

In other words, maybe a school says "come redshirt with us for a year to get your grades up, then we'll get you on the field." If it eventually comes to something like that, the JUCO system might take a hit.
Especially when the Greedy 5 increase scholarships limits.
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Posted: 2/12/2015 6:49 PM
Increasing scholarship limits causes all kind of Title IX problems and from what I've been told by those more knowledgeable then I on the topic, it's not likely to happen. Also, the weak sisters of the Snob5 might raise a howl, because they don't want Alabama, O$U, Texas, etc. hording all of the good players, either. The Northwesterns of the P5 still want an occasional shot at conference title. Raising the scholarship limits makes that less and less likely.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:12 AM
Is there a need to ever have more than 85 scholarship players? It's not like this concept is borne out of necessity. It's absolutely nothing more than a power grab, and it's designed to take advantage of the naivete of high schoolers who may never see the field at Bama or LSU. It's designed not to provide them opportunity, it's just merely to keep them off the field at a competitor.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 10:50 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
,,, it's just merely to keep them off the field at a competitor.

Not entirely. The one problem I see with the current limits of 85 total, 25 per year is that those two numbers don't go together. With about half the players ending up in school for 5 years, in theory if you took 25 a year you'd end up with 112 on scholarship. Of course you lose some to attrition (injuries, transfers, academics, etc), but you also add some due to walkons. Using some JUCOs also reduces the number.

The result is that the 85 limit, combined with the 25 per year limit encourages schools to encourage attrition, meaning suggesting to a player that he transfer. They oversign, then encourage players to leave that don't look like future starters. I don't think that's a good thing. I think that if he wants to transfer, fine, but if not, he shouldn't be pushed into it.

One way to address this would be to increase the cap from 85. A better way would be to reduce the number that they can give out per year from 25, to perhaps 22.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 1:04 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Increasing scholarship limits causes all kind of Title IX problems and from what I've been told by those more knowledgeable then I on the topic, it's not likely to happen. Also, the weak sisters of the Snob5 might raise a howl, because they don't want Alabama, O$U, Texas, etc. hording all of the good players, either. The Northwesterns of the P5 still want an occasional shot at conference title. Raising the scholarship limits makes that less and less likely.
I don't think the Greedy 5 don't care what happens to the weak sisters. And, the Greedy 5 will have enough money to either hide Title IX issues or add women's opportunities to take care of it.

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Is there a need to ever have more than 85 scholarship players? It's not like this concept is borne out of necessity. It's absolutely nothing more than a power grab, and it's designed to take advantage of the naivete of high schoolers who may never see the field at Bama or LSU. It's designed not to provide them opportunity, it's just merely to keep them off the field at a competitor.
The Greedy 5 request Deciduous Forest Cat's post be deleted..... Nothing to see here....
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Posted: 2/13/2015 1:58 PM
Since it's a matter of time before the P5 get their scholarship limits increased, here's an idea: make it optional, but for any school that opts into the increased limits, all players must redshirt their freshman year.

The trade-off is the other schools may then be more attractive to more skilled freshmen, since they could see playing time a year earlier than at the opting-in schools. That's a year earlier on the field, and an extra year to impress pro scouts.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 8:39 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Increasing scholarship limits causes all kind of Title IX problems and from what I've been told by those more knowledgeable then I on the topic, it's not likely to happen. Also, the weak sisters of the Snob5 might raise a howl, because they don't want Alabama, O$U, Texas, etc. hording all of the good players, either. The Northwesterns of the P5 still want an occasional shot at conference title. Raising the scholarship limits makes that less and less likely.
I don't think the Greedy 5 don't care what happens to the weak sisters. And, the Greedy 5 will have enough money to either hide Title IX issues or add women's opportunities to take care of it.
I think you misunderstood him. Even among the Power 5, the Northwesterns and Texas Techs of the group still have more votes than the very top teams.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 9:51 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
Increasing scholarship limits causes all kind of Title IX problems and from what I've been told by those more knowledgeable then I on the topic, it's not likely to happen. Also, the weak sisters of the Snob5 might raise a howl, because they don't want Alabama, O$U, Texas, etc. hording all of the good players, either. The Northwesterns of the P5 still want an occasional shot at conference title. Raising the scholarship limits makes that less and less likely.
I don't think the Greedy 5 don't care what happens to the weak sisters. And, the Greedy 5 will have enough money to either hide Title IX issues or add women's opportunities to take care of it.
I think you misunderstood him. Even among the Power 5, the Northwesterns and Texas Techs of the group still have more votes than the very top teams.
Thanks for "clarifying" my remarks. It's a new role for you. ;-)
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