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It is doubtful they would do that, or that they give football up altogether, as UAB did (for awhile). What would they do with indecision Stadium, without football?
Even if the Zips were to contend perennially for a division title, my gut-feel tells me that Infocision still would be about 10,000 seats too large. At the moment, it stands as perhaps Ohio's biggest white elephant.
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It is doubtful they would do that, or that they give football up altogether, as UAB did (for awhile). What would they do with indecision Stadium, without football?
You don't give up football when you have the facility. That facility at the FCS level would be enough to attract the Montana's and North Dakota State's of the world to play in it.
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Northern Ohio is a pretty miserable place to live — at least according to Forbes.com.
The Web site today released its third annual list of ''America's Most Miserable Cities.''
Cleveland topped the rankings, and four of its neighbors also made the list: Canton, ninth; Akron, 12th; Toledo, 15th; and Youngstown, 18th.

Forbes.com ranked communities based on its so-called ''Misery Measure,'' which examined unemployment rates, taxes, commute times, violent crime, weather, Superfund pollution sites, public corruption and how pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. The Web site looked at the nation's 200 largest metro areas.

Of course, the rankings should come with an asterisk.
''By no stretch are we saying that nothing positive is going on in these cities,'' author Kurt Badenhausen said.

Cleveland earned the top spot ''thanks to its high unemployment, high taxes, lousy weather, corruption by public officials and crummy sports teams [Cavaliers of the NBA excepted].''

The rest of the top five are: Stockton, Calif.; Memphis, Tenn.; Detroit; and Flint, Mich. Other cities that made the top 20 are: Miami, Chicago and New York.

As for Akron, Forbes.com says: ''Home to Goodyear Tire and LeBron James, misery will be off the charts if favorite son James bolts the Cavaliers after this season for a new NBA team. Akron's 2.25 percent local income tax rate is one of the highest in the state.''

http://www.ohio.com/news/misery-thy-name-is-northern-ohio...

Akron might be nice but its a sad excuse for a city. Very little to do and less than what you could find to do at your average college town.

"According to the US Census Bureau, Akron has 198,402 residents, 14,308 businesses, and a median income of $34,190."
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Northern Ohio is a pretty miserable place to live — at least according to Forbes.com.
The Web site today released its third annual list of ''America's Most Miserable Cities.''
Cleveland topped the rankings, and four of its neighbors also made the list: Canton, ninth; Akron, 12th; Toledo, 15th; and Youngstown, 18th.

Forbes.com ranked communities based on its so-called ''Misery Measure,'' which examined unemployment rates, taxes, commute times, violent crime, weather, Superfund pollution sites, public corruption and how pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. The Web site looked at the nation's 200 largest metro areas.

Of course, the rankings should come with an asterisk.
''By no stretch are we saying that nothing positive is going on in these cities,'' author Kurt Badenhausen said.

Cleveland earned the top spot ''thanks to its high unemployment, high taxes, lousy weather, corruption by public officials and crummy sports teams [Cavaliers of the NBA excepted].''

The rest of the top five are: Stockton, Calif.; Memphis, Tenn.; Detroit; and Flint, Mich. Other cities that made the top 20 are: Miami, Chicago and New York.

As for Akron, Forbes.com says: ''Home to Goodyear Tire and LeBron James, misery will be off the charts if favorite son James bolts the Cavaliers after this season for a new NBA team. Akron's 2.25 percent local income tax rate is one of the highest in the state.''

http://www.ohio.com/news/misery-thy-name-is-northern-ohio...

Akron might be nice but its a sad excuse for a city. Very little to do and less than what you could find to do at your average college town.

"According to the US Census Bureau, Akron has 198,402 residents, 14,308 businesses, and a median income of $34,190."
Re Canton. Back in 1990 I was recruited by Timken which was HQ'd in Canton (now based in North Canton). Yes, Canton does have some nice attractions: auto museum, McKinley Museum, First Ladies House, Pro Football HOF, a genuinely impressive civic center including art museum for a city its size, and more. Still, the city itself is pretty dismal. It is, though, surrounded by delightful communities, including North Canton, Green and Jackson TWP (which some years ago voted to remain a township despite its then population of about 45,000). In North Canton I am particularly fond of its library. Among libraries serving communities with populations under 50,000, it has ranked #1 in the nation several times.
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Does anyone seriously consider those MAC attendance figures worthy of a seat at any "bigg" table? Let's face it...this league does not draw well. There is no such thing as a "hot" ticket to any MAC game. The week night games certainly do NOT help make this any better (that from one who gets to at least one November weeknight game every year...from Cincinnati). The bottom line is nobody should be surprised that the bigg boys do not want to share with us. While we may surprise a few of them every year it's just funny to think the MAC belongs in any discussion when talking about the P5 Conferences.
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Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Northern Ohio is a pretty miserable place to live — at least according to Forbes.com.
The Web site today released its third annual list of ''America's Most Miserable Cities.''
Cleveland topped the rankings, and four of its neighbors also made the list: Canton, ninth; Akron, 12th; Toledo, 15th; and Youngstown, 18th.

Forbes.com ranked communities based on its so-called ''Misery Measure,'' which examined unemployment rates, taxes, commute times, violent crime, weather, Superfund pollution sites, public corruption and how pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. The Web site looked at the nation's 200 largest metro areas.

Of course, the rankings should come with an asterisk.
''By no stretch are we saying that nothing positive is going on in these cities,'' author Kurt Badenhausen said.

Cleveland earned the top spot ''thanks to its high unemployment, high taxes, lousy weather, corruption by public officials and crummy sports teams [Cavaliers of the NBA excepted].''

The rest of the top five are: Stockton, Calif.; Memphis, Tenn.; Detroit; and Flint, Mich. Other cities that made the top 20 are: Miami, Chicago and New York.

As for Akron, Forbes.com says: ''Home to Goodyear Tire and LeBron James, misery will be off the charts if favorite son James bolts the Cavaliers after this season for a new NBA team. Akron's 2.25 percent local income tax rate is one of the highest in the state.''

http://www.ohio.com/news/misery-thy-name-is-northern-ohio...

Akron might be nice but its a sad excuse for a city. Very little to do and less than what you could find to do at your average college town.

"According to the US Census Bureau, Akron has 198,402 residents, 14,308 businesses, and a median income of $34,190."
Not to hijack the thread (wink wink), say what you will about Cleveland, all I know is, driving into work this morning on the East Shoreway, as I rounded the E. 72nd St. bend I saw a breathtaking view of Lake Erie. The sky was crystal clear, the air fresh and clean (hard to believe, I know) and the lake view to the north was just spectacular!! Water as far as the eye can see. That's something not all cities have. Oh, and we have as much fresh water as we'll ever want.

The above noted defects pertaining to NE Ohio unfortunately can be said of most cities to some degree or another. All cities have the warts and Cleveland's no exception.

Not that I'm a world traveler because I'm sure not but on all the travels I've had, I think 99.9% of this country is beautiful. Iowa though is just plain flat.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming..... When does football start?
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Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
Northern Ohio is a pretty miserable place to live — at least according to Forbes.com.
The Web site today released its third annual list of ''America's Most Miserable Cities.''
Cleveland topped the rankings, and four of its neighbors also made the list: Canton, ninth; Akron, 12th; Toledo, 15th; and Youngstown, 18th.

Forbes.com ranked communities based on its so-called ''Misery Measure,'' which examined unemployment rates, taxes, commute times, violent crime, weather, Superfund pollution sites, public corruption and how pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. The Web site looked at the nation's 200 largest metro areas.

Of course, the rankings should come with an asterisk.
''By no stretch are we saying that nothing positive is going on in these cities,'' author Kurt Badenhausen said.

Cleveland earned the top spot ''thanks to its high unemployment, high taxes, lousy weather, corruption by public officials and crummy sports teams [Cavaliers of the NBA excepted].''

The rest of the top five are: Stockton, Calif.; Memphis, Tenn.; Detroit; and Flint, Mich. Other cities that made the top 20 are: Miami, Chicago and New York.

As for Akron, Forbes.com says: ''Home to Goodyear Tire and LeBron James, misery will be off the charts if favorite son James bolts the Cavaliers after this season for a new NBA team. Akron's 2.25 percent local income tax rate is one of the highest in the state.''

http://www.ohio.com/news/misery-thy-name-is-northern-ohio...

Akron might be nice but its a sad excuse for a city. Very little to do and less than what you could find to do at your average college town.

"According to the US Census Bureau, Akron has 198,402 residents, 14,308 businesses, and a median income of $34,190."
Re Canton. Back in 1990 I was recruited by Timken which was HQ'd in Canton (now based in North Canton). Yes, Canton does have some nice attractions: auto museum, McKinley Museum, First Ladies House, Pro Football HOF, a genuinely impressive civic center including art museum for a city its size, and more. Still, the city itself is pretty dismal. It is, though, surrounded by delightful communities, including North Canton, Green and Jackson TWP (which some years ago voted to remain a township despite its then population of about 45,000). In North Canton I am particularly fond of its library. Among libraries serving communities with populations under 50,000, it has ranked #1 in the nation several times.
And some of the prettiest countryside in Ohio is just south of Canton off of IR 77.
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Northern Ohio is a pretty miserable place to live — at least according to Forbes.com.
The Web site today released its third annual list of ''America's Most Miserable Cities.''
Cleveland topped the rankings, and four of its neighbors also made the list: Canton, ninth; Akron, 12th; Toledo, 15th; and Youngstown, 18th.

Forbes.com ranked communities based on its so-called ''Misery Measure,'' which examined unemployment rates, taxes, commute times, violent crime, weather, Superfund pollution sites, public corruption and how pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. The Web site looked at the nation's 200 largest metro areas.

Of course, the rankings should come with an asterisk.
''By no stretch are we saying that nothing positive is going on in these cities,'' author Kurt Badenhausen said.

Cleveland earned the top spot ''thanks to its high unemployment, high taxes, lousy weather, corruption by public officials and crummy sports teams [Cavaliers of the NBA excepted].''

The rest of the top five are: Stockton, Calif.; Memphis, Tenn.; Detroit; and Flint, Mich. Other cities that made the top 20 are: Miami, Chicago and New York.

As for Akron, Forbes.com says: ''Home to Goodyear Tire and LeBron James, misery will be off the charts if favorite son James bolts the Cavaliers after this season for a new NBA team. Akron's 2.25 percent local income tax rate is one of the highest in the state.''

http://www.ohio.com/news/misery-thy-name-is-northern-ohio...

Akron might be nice but its a sad excuse for a city. Very little to do and less than what you could find to do at your average college town.

"According to the US Census Bureau, Akron has 198,402 residents, 14,308 businesses, and a median income of $34,190."
Re Canton. Back in 1990 I was recruited by Timken which was HQ'd in Canton (now based in North Canton). Yes, Canton does have some nice attractions: auto museum, McKinley Museum, First Ladies House, Pro Football HOF, a genuinely impressive civic center including art museum for a city its size, and more. Still, the city itself is pretty dismal. It is, though, surrounded by delightful communities, including North Canton, Green and Jackson TWP (which some years ago voted to remain a township despite its then population of about 45,000). In North Canton I am particularly fond of its library. Among libraries serving communities with populations under 50,000, it has ranked #1 in the nation several times.
And some of the prettiest countryside in Ohio is just south of Canton off of IR 77.
True enough. I've driven friends from France, Netherlands and Singapore to Amish country and they have been genuinely delighted by the countryside and lovely vistas.
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It is doubtful they would do that, or that they give football up altogether, as UAB did (for awhile). What would they do with indecision Stadium, without football?
You don't give up football when you have the facility. That facility at the FCS level would be enough to attract the Montana's and North Dakota State's of the world to play in it.
I actually think it's a good idea for them. They could play in the Missouri Valley Football Conference, where six of the ten teams finished in the FCS Top 25 - North Dakota State (#1), Illinois State (#2), Northern Iowa (#10), South Dakota State (#13), Indiana State (#18) and Youngstown State (#25).

Plus they could bring back the Steel Tire rivalry with Youngstown State.
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Every place on earth is genuinely interesting if you're genuinely interested.
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Every place on earth is genuinely interesting if you're genuinely interested.

You're on to sometimg there, but you've probably not been to No Trees, Texas. There are limits to your theory.
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Every place on earth is genuinely interesting if you're genuinely interested.

You're on to sometimg there, but you've probably not been to No Trees, Texas. There are limits to your theory.
See, I'd just rent a gigantic, red 1970s Cadillac with bullhorns on the front and pretend I was Woody Harrelson hunting down Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men if I was in that part of Texas. I'd have a ball.
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Every place on earth is genuinely interesting if you're genuinely interested.

You're on to sometimg there, but you've probably not been to No Trees, Texas. There are limits to your theory.
See, I'd just rent a gigantic, red 1970s Cadillac with bullhorns on the front and pretend I was Woody Harrelson hunting down Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men if I was in that part of Texas. I'd have a ball.

Point well taken.
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Every place on earth is genuinely interesting if you're genuinely interested.

You're on to sometimg there, but you've probably not been to No Trees, Texas. There are limits to your theory.
Stretches of Iowa might rival No Trees, Texas for a noticeable absence of woodland. Endless acres of farm fields but not many trees.
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New info from Terry Pluto:...

Thanks. That makes the case very well that I have been arguing for years. There is no cost advantage to moving to FCS because, while you save a few scholarships, and a little on coaching salaries, you lose TV revenue, conference revenue, and have lower attendance, and those more than offset what you gain. That's why there is a flood of teams in FCS that want to move to FBS, and no teams in FBS that want to go to FCS.

You can save money, but to do so you have to drop to Division III, or perhaps II. Even then, Akron would still have the payments on the stadium.
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The unfortunate news continues for Akron: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/07/universi...

I couldn't imagine OUPD showing up at Templeton-Blackburn and escorting employees out after being fired.
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The unfortunate news continues for Akron: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/07/universi...

I couldn't imagine OUPD showing up at Templeton-Blackburn and escorting employees out after being fired.
Yeah, well feel lucky we have the local media we have and NOT what they have up north, because that happens here. What also has happened here has been bans from campus after being escorted off unless you get permission to enter.
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The unfortunate news continues for Akron: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/07/universi...

I couldn't imagine OUPD showing up at Templeton-Blackburn and escorting employees out after being fired.
Yeah, well feel lucky we have the local media we have and NOT what they have up north, because that happens here. What also has happened here has been bans from campus after being escorted off unless you get permission to enter.
Hmmm...I didn't know you could ban anyone from the open campus of a state-assisted school. Ask someone not to come on campus, yes, but ban?
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With the attendance Akron has had lately it would be difficult to argue that the ticket sales team has been doing a good job, but with no ticket sales team at all, how will that improve sales?
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There`s also non scholarship Division I Pioneer League.
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I've been predicting a financial implosion at Akron for years and it certainly seems as though it's here. Closing the performing arts center - a building that won international awards - and canceling a season of already-booked shows, many of which are sold out? Cutting 200-plus employees? Eliminating maintenance? As much as I love college football, the Akron football program should have taken a major hit as part of this draconian process, yet it was untouched. The president stood before the press at 9 a.m. yesterday and insisted that the performing arts hall was not closing. Every employee in the hall was then summarily dismissed by 1 p.m.

I'm not at all convinced they can pull out of this death spiral. The new president is getting such bad press - deservedly so - that Kent and other schools are seeing spikes in transfer applications. I expect their enrollment to drop another 2-3 percent this fall, which will necessitate more cuts. Meanwhile, Scarborough is bringing in his cronies from Toledo and elsewhere at $200k plus. This might be a case study in how to kill a public university.
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SBH, do you think this financial crisis will start the discussions again about merging with KSU? That always made a lot of sense to me from the cheap seats in Athens, Ohio. To me it really makes no sense to have two state universities of their relative sizes in the same metro area. Merging, of course, would mean that there would be only one set of overpaid top-level administrators, only one football and basketball team, the merging of academic departments etc. It would result in considerable savings. As I'm sure you know, the merger idea was first floated by Governor Rhodes back in the 1960s. As I recall, it was killed by Oliver Ocasek, a powerful state senator from Akron.
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... Closing the performing arts center - a building that won international awards - and canceling a season of already-booked shows, many of which are sold out? Cutting 200-plus employees? ...

That isn't surprising. In fact, I think it's pretty much standard procedure. What program is the most loved by well-to-do locals and alums? What program would be the most apt to motivate a special fundraising drive ("Save EJ Thomas!"), and a big jump in fundraising? That's the one you cut first.

Sorry for being cynical here....
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SBH, do you think this financial crisis will start the discussions again about merging with KSU? That always made a lot of sense to me from the cheap seats in Athens, Ohio. To me it really makes no sense to have two state universities of their relative sizes in the same metro area. Merging, of course, would mean that there would be only one set of overpaid top-level administrators, only one football and basketball team, the merging of academic departments etc. It would result in considerable savings. As I'm sure you know, the merger idea was first floated by Governor Rhodes back in the 1960s. As I recall, it was killed by Oliver Ocasek, a powerful state senator from Akron.
I can't imagine Kent would want anything to do with this mess. Maybe CSU?
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