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Ted Thompson
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Posted: 8/19/2015 9:20 AM
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Posted: 8/19/2015 9:37 AM
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I didn't realize NIU was 41-4 against the MAC since 2010. That's an absurd number.

Also, I know we're biased here, but just about everyone else is ranking Ohio's LBs as the best the conference. Just sayin...
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Posted: 8/19/2015 9:48 AM
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11th ranked QB in the league.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 10:09 AM
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11th ranked QB in the league.
I didn't wanna bring that up.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 10:11 AM
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41-4..See why a small...very small..too small...number of us rail about the last 2.5 years and the failure to beat MAC team with winning record.

Please, until facts on ground change, don't anyone compare us with NIU.
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Ohio is the only program in the FBS to have had the same head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator in each of the last 10 seasons. Led by Frank Solich, offensive coordinator Tim Albin and defensive coordinator Jimmy Burrow, the Bobcats have won 71 games, posted six winning seasons and reached six bowl games during this decade-long span. In the 40 years prior to the staff's arrival, Ohio went 119-228 with seven winning seasons and zero bowl appearances.
So with a winning season this year, OHIO has as many winning seasons with this coaching staff as the 40 years prior.

The argument some make against this coaching staff is ridiculous. This program has been elevated to levels we couldn't have imagined thanks to their efforts.
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The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Ohio is the only program in the FBS to have had the same head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator in each of the last 10 seasons. Led by Frank Solich, offensive coordinator Tim Albin and defensive coordinator Jimmy Burrow, the Bobcats have won 71 games, posted six winning seasons and reached six bowl games during this decade-long span. In the 40 years prior to the staff's arrival, Ohio went 119-228 with seven winning seasons and zero bowl appearances.
So with a winning season this year, OHIO has as many winning seasons with this coaching staff as the 40 years prior.

The argument some make against this coaching staff is ridiculous. This program has been elevated to levels we couldn't have imagined thanks to their efforts.
The argument isn't against what they have done. And the program had no where to go but up.
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The argument isn't against what they have done. And the program had no where to go but up.

That's not really true. The state of the program under Knorr was far better than it was under the coaches preceding Grobe. The program could have gone up, down, or sideways.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 11:33 AM
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The argument isn't against what they have done. And the program had no where to go but up.

That's not really true. The state of the program under Knorr was far better than it was under the coaches preceding Grobe. The program could have gone up, down, or sideways.
I'm talking historically.
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The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Ohio is the only program in the FBS to have had the same head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator in each of the last 10 seasons. Led by Frank Solich, offensive coordinator Tim Albin and defensive coordinator Jimmy Burrow, the Bobcats have won 71 games, posted six winning seasons and reached six bowl games during this decade-long span. In the 40 years prior to the staff's arrival, Ohio went 119-228 with seven winning seasons and zero bowl appearances.
So with a winning season this year, OHIO has as many winning seasons with this coaching staff as the 40 years prior.

The argument some make against this coaching staff is ridiculous. This program has been elevated to levels we couldn't have imagined thanks to their efforts.
Frank and staff have taken the program to new levels -- and new levels of expectations. But in a "what have you done for me lately" football world, I'm hoping for a better trend than what we've seen lately:

- 12-12 conference record the past 3 years
- diminished win totals each of the last 4 years (10-9-7-6)
- no bowl last year (first non-bowl appearance since 2008)
- entering the 4th season since the last time Ohio beat a conference opponent that finished with a winning record (Temple)

With so many returning starters -- and if we can avoid more injuries -- I'm hoping for a really good season.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 3:37 PM
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News Flash: Wasn't NIU horrible at one time? Maybe even run out of or not accepted into the MAC (Alzheimers may be kicking in). Wasn't Marshall really bad? Wasn't Northwestern Bad? Wasn't boise a JC? The right coach and players can turn any program around!
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NIU wasn't kicked out. They had delusions of grandeur in the 1980s and decided to go independent, realized that was a huge mistake and asked to be re-admitted.
They were really bad at one point under Joe Novak, but he turned them around and they've been a power ever since. Not at all like the Marshall situation.
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I didn't realize NIU was 41-4 against the MAC since 2010. That's an absurd number.

Also, I know we're biased here, but just about everyone else is ranking Ohio's LBs as the best the conference. Just sayin...
And to break that down a little further that's-

3-2 in the MACC
3-2 v CMU
35-0 v everybody else
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perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
I didn't realize NIU was 41-4 against the MAC since 2010. That's an absurd number.

Also, I know we're biased here, but just about everyone else is ranking Ohio's LBs as the best the conference. Just sayin...
And to break that down a little further that's-

3-2 in the MACC
3-2 v CMU
35-0 v everybody else
2007-2009 players like Harnish, Lynch and Stingily were recruited by an NIU assistant named P.J. Fleck.
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Posted: 8/20/2015 7:20 AM
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perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
I didn't realize NIU was 41-4 against the MAC since 2010. That's an absurd number.

Also, I know we're biased here, but just about everyone else is ranking Ohio's LBs as the best the conference. Just sayin...
And to break that down a little further that's-

3-2 in the MACC
3-2 v CMU
35-0 v everybody else
WHAT.
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Posted: 8/20/2015 9:47 AM
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Thanks for the NIU details SBH, I just couldn't remember that far back. Bottom line is a lot of teams that were bad are now good and have won Championshps recently. I just hope we add one more before I leave this Earth...
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NIU won the MAC in 1983 (before my time) and then was mostly mediocre until a couple good years around 1990 when independent. The HC left in 1991 I think and the program suffered under the new guy. Coach Novak came in and decided he needed to clean house. We had the longest losing streak in FBS football then, in the mid-90s. Everyone was beating us. It took until 1999 to have a winning record, and 2002 to have a good team. 2002-2004 were good teams. Then mediocre again until the recent streak, though we got to the 2005 MACC game and got gut-punched with an Akron TD in the final seconds. Not much different than what happened to us again against Miami in 2010 MACC.

I think you just need the right coach, and a very good QB. With all the good running attacks NIU has had over the years (Michael Turner, Garrett Wolfe), they never won until they had a good QB.
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Thanks NIU, I thought you guys really sucked for a while! What a turnaround though, eh?!
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Here's the results of every NIU v OU matchup since the Huskies returned to the conference in 1997-

W 35-30, @NIU 1997
W 28-12, home 1998
L 23-20(OT), @#16NIU 2003
W 35-23, @NIU 2006
W 38-31, home 2009
L 23-20, MACC 2011
L 21-14, home 2014

Ohio leads the series 4-3 with all of NIU's, and half of OU's, wins coming by a single TD or less. 6 scheduled match ups in 18 seasons doesn't seem like enough but OU has played current MAC West teams 39 times from 1997-2014 for an average of 6.5 times each, so 6 games vs NIU, with a 7th coming this year, is a fair distribution.

Here's Ohio's record vs all current MAC West teams from 1997-2014 in regular season games-

8-1 EMU
4-2 NIU
3-4 WMU
3-4 CMU
3-2 Ball St
0-5 Toledo
21-18 v MAC West

The 2015 schedule is already set so to even out the number of match ups our MAC West schedule from 2016-2019 would need to look like this-

Toledo X 4
Ball St X 3
NIU X 2
CMU X 2
WMU X 1
Last Edited: 8/25/2015 8:48:05 PM by perimeterpost
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:07 PM
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Since Toledo plays BG every year, they are going to play everyone else in the East less often. It isn't going to come out even.
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Posted: 8/25/2015 11:18 PM
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Did anyone hear WMU's Fleck interviewed on Jim Rome's radio show today? I got to work after it was previewed but before it was broadcast so didn't hear.
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