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Posted: 8/28/2015 9:15 AM
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The state of SC will host it's first FBS bowl, the Medal of Honor bowl, in Charleston, in Citidel's stadium, on December 18, 2016. It is not yet determined what conferences will be tied to it.
http://tinyurl.com/ng7jwuz
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:28 AM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
The state of SC will host it's first FBS bowl, the Medal of Honor bowl, in Charleston, in Citidel's stadium, on December 18, 2016. It is not yet determined what conferences will be tied to it.
http://tinyurl.com/ng7jwuz

Because my family lives there, I can see going to this one. The area around the Citadel is also a cool neighborhood in Charley South.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 11:33 AM
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Unsustainable proliferation of bowls.
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They have been wanting one for years, but the NCAA would not allow until the flag came down.
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I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been a "Hall of Fame Bowl" proposal in Canton.

Stadium not big enough?
The NFL plays a game there every year. Bowl attendance isn't that great anyway, so the stands would look full.

Not an ideal destination in Dec./Jan.?
Idaho is not ideal; You could also argue Mobile, but they each have bowls. Detroit? Dome, OK. What about the Pinstripe Bowl in NY that is outdoors?

Who would sponsor?
Good question. Would likely need to be an Ohio-based company that could bring biz prospects to.

Who would play?
No shortage of are teams would be eligible. Travel costs might not be as high as traveling across country since teams typically don't make money on bowls.

Who would attend?
Easy for regional fans to attend. HOF packages with Pro Football HOF and Rock and Roll HOF could be offered. Local fans might still be hungry for football (although Akron and Kent St. attendance proves otherwise).
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Unsustainable proliferation of bowls.
100% Agree. Now that they've improved this "playoff", they need to make other bowl games and "bowl eligible" mean more.



BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
They have been wanting one for years, but the NCAA would not allow until the flag came down.

Is this fact, or just a little fun based on current events? I'm just curious.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 4:31 PM
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I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been a "Hall of Fame Bowl" proposal in Canton.

Stadium not big enough?
The NFL plays a game there every year. Bowl attendance isn't that great anyway, so the stands would look full.

Not an ideal destination in Dec./Jan.?
Idaho is not ideal; You could also argue Mobile, but they each have bowls. Detroit? Dome, OK. What about the Pinstripe Bowl in NY that is outdoors?

Who would sponsor?
Good question. Would likely need to be an Ohio-based company that could bring biz prospects to.

Who would play?
No shortage of are teams would be eligible. Travel costs might not be as high as traveling across country since teams typically don't make money on bowls.

Who would attend?
Easy for regional fans to attend. HOF packages with Pro Football HOF and Rock and Roll HOF could be offered. Local fans might still be hungry for football (although Akron and Kent St. attendance proves otherwise).
Northern bowls w/o enclosed stadiums don't make any sense to me. NYC is NYC so you could argue they get a pass. Boise is not a good place for a bowl game IMO, but they've made it work for a while. Not real excited to go to Canton in December, but some local teams might get 10 thousand or so.
When this bubble bursts, it will interesting to see which ones survive.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 7:17 PM
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They have been wanting one for years, but the NCAA would not allow until the flag came down.

Is this fact, or just a little fun based on current events? I'm just curious.

I'd guess fact, based on the quote from the article:
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..The transition to the traditional bowl format is made possible due to the July 10 resolution of the Confederate Flag by the South Carolina Legislature. ...



colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Northern bowls w/o enclosed stadiums don't make any sense to me. NYC is NYC so you could argue they get a pass. Boise is not a good place for a bowl game IMO, but they've made it work for a while. Not real excited to go to Canton in December, but some local teams might get 10 thousand or so.
When this bubble bursts, it will interesting to see which ones survive.

New York tried a bowl game outside, years ago. The Gotham Bowl was played in 1961 and 1962 (they tried to hold it in 1960 as well, but no one would come, well Oregon State agreed, but no one else would).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotham_Bowl
The game failed because
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...few fans were willing to sit through the cold December New York weather.
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been a "Hall of Fame Bowl" proposal in Canton.

Stadium not big enough?
The NFL plays a game there every year. Bowl attendance isn't that great anyway, so the stands would look full.

Not an ideal destination in Dec./Jan.?
Idaho is not ideal; You could also argue Mobile, but they each have bowls. Detroit? Dome, OK. What about the Pinstripe Bowl in NY that is outdoors?

Who would sponsor?
Good question. Would likely need to be an Ohio-based company that could bring biz prospects to.

Who would play?
No shortage of are teams would be eligible. Travel costs might not be as high as traveling across country since teams typically don't make money on bowls.

Who would attend?
Easy for regional fans to attend. HOF packages with Pro Football HOF and Rock and Roll HOF could be offered. Local fans might still be hungry for football (although Akron and Kent St. attendance proves otherwise).
Northern bowls w/o enclosed stadiums don't make any sense to me. NYC is NYC so you could argue they get a pass. Boise is not a good place for a bowl game IMO, but they've made it work for a while. Not real excited to go to Canton in December, but some local teams might get 10 thousand or so.
When this bubble bursts, it will interesting to see which ones survive.
I think the Famous Idaho Potato/Humanitarian Bowl has been semi-successful is because the MWC and more importantly the citizenry of Boise support it. No one from the MAC teams goes to that game, so those attending are generally either Boise citizens or the MWC team's fans. When OU went to FIPB, I remember the attendance being 28,000 in a then 32,000 seat stadium.

I might be wrong but I think a bowl in Canton would be a disaster. I'm a huge Browns fan and live only 12-14 miles from First Energy Stadium and even at that I'm not going to any Browns game in late December-I for sure ain't driving to Canton in Winter to see 2 mediocre college teams battle it out (my apologies to Mike Johnson-Canton's a wonderful city; I just don't want to go there for a
wintertime football game).
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been a "Hall of Fame Bowl" proposal in Canton.

Stadium not big enough?
The NFL plays a game there every year. Bowl attendance isn't that great anyway, so the stands would look full.

Not an ideal destination in Dec./Jan.?
Idaho is not ideal; You could also argue Mobile, but they each have bowls. Detroit? Dome, OK. What about the Pinstripe Bowl in NY that is outdoors?

Who would sponsor?
Good question. Would likely need to be an Ohio-based company that could bring biz prospects to.

Who would play?
No shortage of are teams would be eligible. Travel costs might not be as high as traveling across country since teams typically don't make money on bowls.

Who would attend?
Easy for regional fans to attend. HOF packages with Pro Football HOF and Rock and Roll HOF could be offered. Local fans might still be hungry for football (although Akron and Kent St. attendance proves otherwise).
Northern bowls w/o enclosed stadiums don't make any sense to me. NYC is NYC so you could argue they get a pass. Boise is not a good place for a bowl game IMO, but they've made it work for a while. Not real excited to go to Canton in December, but some local teams might get 10 thousand or so.
When this bubble bursts, it will interesting to see which ones survive.
I think the Famous Idaho Potato/Humanitarian Bowl has been semi-successful is because the MWC and more importantly the citizenry of Boise support it. No one from the MAC teams goes to that game, so those attending are generally either Boise citizens or the MWC team's fans. When OU went to FIPB, I remember the attendance being 28,000 in a then 32,000 seat stadium.

I might be wrong but I think a bowl in Canton would be a disaster. I'm a huge Browns fan and live only 12-14 miles from First Energy Stadium and even at that I'm not going to any Browns game in late December-I for sure ain't driving to Canton in Winter to see 2 mediocre college teams battle it out (my apologies to Mike Johnson-Canton's a wonderful city; I just don't want to go there for a
wintertime football game).
Umm, Mark, I did post that Canton and the surrounding area has much to offer, but the city itself falls short of charming. I reside in North Canton which has a few things going for it, including one of my favorite museums - MAPS - Military Aircraft Preservation Society.

Early in October I will be hosting a friend from Singapore, and I'm confident she'll enjoy visiting Zoar, Amish Country, and Canal Fulton where we'll lunch in the marvelously charming Dragon Fly Tea Room.
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Posted: 8/28/2015 10:20 PM
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I'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been a "Hall of Fame Bowl" proposal in Canton.

Stadium not big enough?
The NFL plays a game there every year. Bowl attendance isn't that great anyway, so the stands would look full.

Not an ideal destination in Dec./Jan.?
Idaho is not ideal; You could also argue Mobile, but they each have bowls. Detroit? Dome, OK. What about the Pinstripe Bowl in NY that is outdoors?

Who would sponsor?
Good question. Would likely need to be an Ohio-based company that could bring biz prospects to.

Who would play?
No shortage of are teams would be eligible. Travel costs might not be as high as traveling across country since teams typically don't make money on bowls.

Who would attend?
Easy for regional fans to attend. HOF packages with Pro Football HOF and Rock and Roll HOF could be offered. Local fans might still be hungry for football (although Akron and Kent St. attendance proves otherwise).
Northern bowls w/o enclosed stadiums don't make any sense to me. NYC is NYC so you could argue they get a pass. Boise is not a good place for a bowl game IMO, but they've made it work for a while. Not real excited to go to Canton in December, but some local teams might get 10 thousand or so.
When this bubble bursts, it will interesting to see which ones survive.
I think the Famous Idaho Potato/Humanitarian Bowl has been semi-successful is because the MWC and more importantly the citizenry of Boise support it. No one from the MAC teams goes to that game, so those attending are generally either Boise citizens or the MWC team's fans. When OU went to FIPB, I remember the attendance being 28,000 in a then 32,000 seat stadium.

I might be wrong but I think a bowl in Canton would be a disaster. I'm a huge Browns fan and live only 12-14 miles from First Energy Stadium and even at that I'm not going to any Browns game in late December-I for sure ain't driving to Canton in Winter to see 2 mediocre college teams battle it out (my apologies to Mike Johnson-Canton's a wonderful city; I just don't want to go there for a
wintertime football game).
Umm, Mark, I did post that Canton and the surrounding area has much to offer, but the city itself falls short of charming. I reside in North Canton which has a few things going for it, including one of my favorite museums - MAPS - Military Aircraft Preservation Society.

Early in October I will be hosting a friend from Singapore, and I'm confident she'll enjoy visiting Zoar, Amish Country, and Canal Fulton where we'll lunch in the marvelously charming Dragon Fly Tea Room.
Mike, there's also the National First Ladies Library, which is actually a neat place too. :)
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Instead of the Hall of Fame Bowl it could be called the First Ladies Bowl.
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Canton is also the original home of the Hoover Vacuum company. The Hoover Bowl. Wonder what fans of teams that got invited to that would say? :)
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Apparently, based on a reading of the announcement, this is not a firm deal yet as it needs NCAA approval (Due by March or so) and a TV hookup. Conference associations as well, but that may be the least of their worries.
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OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Unsustainable proliferation of bowls.
100% Agree. Now that they've improved this "playoff", they need to make other bowl games and "bowl eligible" mean more.



They have been wanting one for years, but the NCAA would not allow until the flag came down.

Is this fact, or just a little fun based on current events? I'm just curious.
It's a fact, the NCAA placed a ban on all non-home field post season contest held in South Carolina 20+ years ago and stated they will not sanction any event until the flag came down. Kudos to the NCAA
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The Canton area supports football, it would draw as many or more locals as another Bowl. Now, traveling fans?
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Anyone remember that other attempt at an Ohio-based bowl game:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_Bowl
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Attendance of 3500? Impressive. The Gotham Bowl reported 15,123 in 1961 and 6,166 in 1962. Apparently playing northern bowl games between teams that don't matter outside in bitterly cold weather doesn't attract high attendance.
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RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Canton is also the original home of the Hoover Vacuum company. The Hoover Bowl. Wonder what fans of teams that got invited to that would say? :)
Is North Canton Hoover High School named after someone from the company?
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Yes...it was renamed in the 50's in memory of the founder of the Hoover Company. The entire town was basically tied to the company with lots of the houses still there being built by the company and sold to the employees. While the company had been around for many years, it really flourished in the 50s and 60s.
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Yes...it was renamed in the 50's in memory of the founder of the Hoover Company. The entire town was basically tied to the company with lots of the houses still there being built by the company and sold to the employees. While the company had been around for many years, it really flourished in the 50s and 60s.
The Hoover manufacturing and office complex in North Canton has undergone a major transformation in recent years. It is now home to many for-profit and non-profit companies and currently part of it is being re-done for condos.
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Yes...it was renamed in the 50's in memory of the founder of the Hoover Company. The entire town was basically tied to the company with lots of the houses still there being built by the company and sold to the employees. While the company had been around for many years, it really flourished in the 50s and 60s.
Thanks for the info! We do have a good amount of high schools in the state named after industrial leaders (or villains, depending on how you want to look at them ; ) ).
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