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Paul Graham
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:16 PM
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From Arkley's blog: http://bit.ly/1JvQ1Xz

A few notes:

(1) No Cope? I know he missed a week of camp but that seems an odd omission. I can understand perhaps being beaten out by Robbie Walker but not ending up out of the two-deep all together.

(2) Looks like Toran Davis won the battle for the open safety spot opposite Jones

(3) Daz still holding down the number two RB position. I wonder if that's real or just a gesture from the staff.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:41 PM
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Says Cope will play but I am assuming with the missed camp time he was passed.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 1:51 PM
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(3) Daz still holding down the number two RB position. I wonder if that's real or just a gesture from the staff.
My thought was that it probably means Daz is the first choice for the "change of pace" back, with Brown or Irons subbing for OUellette and White subbing for Daz.

But who knows? We've DUTM'd before, and I am sure we can DUTM again.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 2:07 PM
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I gathered that "head injury" meant that Cope had a concussion. Nationwide there has been a lot of controversy regarding the adequacy of treatment for concussion, and whether players are given sufficient time to recover before putting them on the field. I'm all for giving Cope however much time he needs to recover before clearing him to play, and putting him back in the fray.

As regards Daz, I agree with the above. He's the #1 change of pace back, and he'll be the second back on the field. If the offensive line is making enough room for him to get started, Daz will be dangerous. My bigger concern with all the running backs was whether they will hold onto the ball this year. I was pleased when Arkley referred to them as having been "sure-handed" in fall camp.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 3:07 PM
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One more thought....last year we had a lot of new faces on offense and it wasn't clear at all who would be playing/starting at Kent.

Then, with almost no heads-up from Arkley, there was true freshman Papi White on the field for the first possession. And the announcers are going on about how Frank is so high on this guy. Of course he got hurt so fast we barely got a chance to see what he could do...but still...it was a surprise.

Bottom line: I wouldn't be surprised to see Papi on the field early. And I won't be surprised if Frank throws a few personnel twists at us Thursday.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 6:46 PM
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Heaviest wideout 198lbs

Tight-end 255

Run the offense through the tight end and watch the MAC midget DB's wide eyed at having to deal with that instead of the average receiver!
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MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
Heaviest wideout 198lbs

Tight-end 255

Run the offense through the tight end and watch the MAC midget DB's wide eyed at having to deal with that instead of the average receiver!

Actually Ohio has quite a bit of size at WR:
Brendon Cope 6-2, 191
Jordan Reid 6-3, 206
S. Smith 6-3, 196
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Posted: 9/1/2015 9:49 PM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
Heaviest wideout 198lbs

Tight-end 255

Run the offense through the tight end and watch the MAC midget DB's wide eyed at having to deal with that instead of the average receiver!

Actually Ohio has quite a bit of size at WR:
Brendon Cope 6-2, 191
Jordan Reid 6-3, 206
S. Smith 6-3, 196
I was thinking about this earlier today. Love our height at WR.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 3:00 AM
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(3) Daz still holding down the number two RB position. I wonder if that's real or just a gesture from the staff.
My thought was that it probably means Daz is the first choice for the "change of pace" back, with Brown or Irons subbing for OUellette and White subbing for Daz.

But who knows? We've DUTM'd before, and I am sure we can DUTM again.
'..can DUTM again.' That's funny.

I'm not a guy who likes light weight running between the tackles.

Must, indeed, not fumble.

The height of our wideouts is not partic notable to me. Now if we had some 6'4" or taller guys, that would be different. Wasn't it McCrae on the fade a few years ago who was tall and that worked so well?!
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:12 AM
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(3) Daz still holding down the number two RB position. I wonder if that's real or just a gesture from the staff.
My thought was that it probably means Daz is the first choice for the "change of pace" back, with Brown or Irons subbing for OUellette and White subbing for Daz.

But who knows? We've DUTM'd before, and I am sure we can DUTM again.
'..can DUTM again.' That's funny.

I'm not a guy who likes light weight running between the tackles.

Must, indeed, not fumble.

The height of our wideouts is not partic notable to me. Now if we had some 6'4" or taller guys, that would be different. Wasn't it McCrae on the fade a few years ago who was tall and that worked so well?!
McCrae was listed at 6'4". Foster also did well having been an outstanding high jumper and basketball player in high school.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:21 AM
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(3) Daz still holding down the number two RB position. I wonder if that's real or just a gesture from the staff.
My thought was that it probably means Daz is the first choice for the "change of pace" back, with Brown or Irons subbing for OUellette and White subbing for Daz.

But who knows? We've DUTM'd before, and I am sure we can DUTM again.

The height of our wideouts is not partic notable to me. Now if we had some 6'4" or taller guys, that would be different. Wasn't it McCrae on the fade a few years ago who was tall and that worked so well?!
You see a lot of 6-0 receivers particularly at the lower levels of D-1. 6-2 seems to be a typical guy at the P5 programs so I would say 6-3, 6-4, 6-5 is pretty tall. McCrae was 6-4 while Smith and Reid are both 6-3. Having both starters at 6-3 is something I would assume we have not had under Solich. Maybe I am wrong there.
How many other MAC programs have their top 2 guys at 6-3+?
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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:55 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
'..can DUTM again.' That's funny.

I'm not a guy who likes light weight running between the tackles.

Must, indeed, not fumble.

The height of our wideouts is not partic notable to me. Now if we had some 6'4" or taller guys, that would be different. Wasn't it McCrae on the fade a few years ago who was tall and that worked so well?!

Daz is up to 190 now, so he's not "light weight", especially given his height. Last year OUellette was 195, not much different than Daz is now. Now if you want more mass, Irons at 225 will be a load.

As for the height of the receivers, I'd say that this is Ohio's tallest group ever as a whole. Height isn't the whole story, though, and leaping ability is also important. Brunis, though he is only 6'0", is going to be a great one, in my opinion because he really goes up and gets the ball.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 9:11 AM
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'..can DUTM again.' That's funny.

I'm not a guy who likes light weight running between the tackles.

Must, indeed, not fumble.

The height of our wideouts is not partic notable to me. Now if we had some 6'4" or taller guys, that would be different. Wasn't it McCrae on the fade a few years ago who was tall and that worked so well?!

Daz is up to 190 now, so he's not "light weight", especially given his height. Last year OUellette was 195, not much different than Daz is now. Now if you want more mass, Irons at 225 will be a load.

As for the height of the receivers, I'd say that this is Ohio's tallest group ever as a whole. Height isn't the whole story, though, and leaping ability is also important. Brunis, though he is only 6'0", is going to be a great one, in my opinion because he really goes up and gets the ball.
Agree, LC. Another factor is wingspan. One of our Scioto Irish football and basketball alums has been in camp with the Chiefs this summer. He is 6-1 DB, but his wing span is 6-6. He has the speed/agility that goes with a shorter man and the wing span that goes with a taller man. That's a great combo for a receiver or defensive back. As I recall, our hoops team's D.J. Cooper had similar wingspan numbers -- probably contributed to his ability to snag steals a guy his height normally wouldn't get and allow him to make passes most guys his height couldn't do.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:54 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
(3) Daz still holding down the number two RB position. I wonder if that's real or just a gesture from the staff.
My thought was that it probably means Daz is the first choice for the "change of pace" back, with Brown or Irons subbing for OUellette and White subbing for Daz.

But who knows? We've DUTM'd before, and I am sure we can DUTM again.
'..can DUTM again.' That's funny.

I'm not a guy who likes light weight running between the tackles.

Must, indeed, not fumble.
But we can't just run between the tackles when the big guys are in, and run off-tackle when Daz is in. Then we become predictable. Sometimes Daz will be asked to gain tough yards between the tackles.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:32 AM
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(3) Daz still holding down the number two RB position. I wonder if that's real or just a gesture from the staff.
My thought was that it probably means Daz is the first choice for the "change of pace" back, with Brown or Irons subbing for OUellette and White subbing for Daz.

But who knows? We've DUTM'd before, and I am sure we can DUTM again.
'..can DUTM again.' That's funny.

I'm not a guy who likes light weight running between the tackles.

Must, indeed, not fumble.
But we can't just run between the tackles when the big guys are in, and run off-tackle when Daz is in. Then we become predictable. Sometimes Daz will be asked to gain tough yards between the tackles.
Daz inside isn't a bad idea every now and then (as a "change of pace"). But Daz up the middle for 2 yards again, and again, and again, and again, and again...that's DUTM.

Actually, my bigger concern with Daz is his pass-catching. I still have visions of the TD at Kentucky we didn't score because he dropped a perfect throw on a wheel route. 6 points there could have turned the game. Daz has the potential to be such a weapon in space if we can just get him the ball in space.
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Posted: 9/2/2015 11:06 PM
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Good to see that someone's been watching and has a reasonable idea of where/how to use the Dazmeister.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 11:03 AM
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It will be interesting to see how they defensive ends this year, Monroe. Last year, with Sayles and Kendrick Smith, they had two true strongside defensive ends, so it made sense to play Laseak and Basham on the weakside, and Sayles and Smith on the strongside. With the extra blocker, the TE, on the strongside, the SDE is more like an interior lineman, and you typically want a bigger guy there.

This year all five of the defensive ends that have been mentioned, Laseak, Basham, Smart, Robbins, and Berger, seem to be smaller speed-type guys. It will be interesting to see if they go back to playing right/left instead of SDE/WDE. My hunch is that they will.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 12:46 PM
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Phil Steele released some updated experience rankings yesterday, Ohio is ranked #4 in FBS this year.

http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/2015/SEPT15/DBSept02.html
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Looks more like #6 to me, but that's not much difference. Ohio has returning experience across the board:
70.6% of letter winners #42
85.3% of offensive yards #19
77.3% of tackles return #16
99 OL starts #9

Interestingly, the MAC has 6 of the top 20 teams in terms of returning experience.

BTW, I read somewhere else that Phil predicted that Ohio would be the most, or one of the most, improved team in FBS.
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Posted: 9/3/2015 2:02 PM
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Looks more like #6 to me

That's because you're from the future! Heh. I was worried that I got it wrong but it turns out Steele actually changed the rankings sometime in the past couple hours. If you check now you can still see the old one (with Ohio at #4) in Google's cache.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JgkW...

As you say though, it hardly matters. #6 is very good.

Glad to hear Steele thinks Ohio will be improved. We'll learn more in a few hours...
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Cats-22 wrote:expand_more
Looks more like #6 to me

That's because you're from the future! Heh. ...

The future is awesome! You'll like it when you get here. ;)
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Posted: 9/4/2015 8:40 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
(3) Daz still holding down the number two RB position. I wonder if that's real or just a gesture from the staff.
My thought was that it probably means Daz is the first choice for the "change of pace" back, with Brown or Irons subbing for OUellette and White subbing for Daz.

But who knows? We've DUTM'd before, and I am sure we can DUTM again.
The height of our wideouts is not partic notable to me. Now if we had some 6'4" or taller guys, that would be different. Wasn't it McCrae on the fade a few years ago who was tall and that worked so well?!
I thought that both Reid and Smith at 6-3 looked tall/lengthy.

Any thoughts, Monroe?
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