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Posted: 9/9/2015 7:48 PM
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I am told that the first 4 home games are/will be sell outs. By game-time SRO and Victory Hill only thing available.
When I was a freshman at school the all time record crowd at Peden Stadium was 20,000. To get above 17,000 was a well attended game. Few thought it was even possible to hit 25,000 and now its done every season. There are those today who don't think 30,000 in Peden could happen which is the gold standard for a big MAC crowd but with pricing forcing fans into season tickets 30,000 tickets sold for a game is quite possible.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:10 PM
Weather forecast now trending more favorable per WSAZ and Scalia Weather Lab. Cold front now appears to be weak w maybe a passing shower.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 8:29 PM
Made up number wes. The biggest crowd of actual people in the house in Peden since 1979 was Pitt in 2005.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 9:08 PM
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stupd cow fans buying family plan season tix in order to get a ticket for this game....two effects:

Total revenue higher this way than would actually be achieved by visiting fans buying single game tickets?

Phantom fans (season ticket bought but only attend one game) boosting total ANNOUNCED season attendance (if announced = tickets sold/allocated)?

No. As I understand it the Family packs are about $149 this year. That would include 4 Marshall tickets, along with 4 tickets to all the other games. If they bought four tickets to just Marshall, it would $160, so they save $11. Then they also have tickets to all the other games that they can sell.

Say that they sell the other tickets at an average of $5 each. they have 5 other games, and four tickets to each, or 20 total tickets. If they get $100 for the 20 tickets they don't want, their four Marshall tickets end up costing them $49, or $12 each.

If they sell them for the prices advertised in a thread here on BA, they get $10 each for SE Louisiana, $15 for Miami, and $5 each for the others. That nets them 4*10+4*15+12*5=40+60+60=$160. That means they get their four Marshall tickets for free, and make $11 profit for their trouble.


Thus, the Marshall fans can:
1. Pay $40 each, or $160 for four tickets
2. Pay $149 for four tickets, and discard the other tickets
3. Sell the other tickets, and end up paying $49 for the 4 Marshall tickets, or maybe even get in free and make a profit.

Will the result be more people in Peden because of tickets dumped into places like Stubhub cheaply? Will the result be more empty seats because they just throw the tickets away, and don't bother with them? I don't know, but I do think it's a strange way to price tickets.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 9:17 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Made up number wes. The biggest crowd of actual people in the house in Peden since 1979 was Pitt in 2005.

I am simply amazed more people do not understand this! It's not even been close since 2005
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Posted: 9/9/2015 9:21 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Made up number wes. The biggest crowd of actual people in the house in Peden since 1979 was Pitt in 2005.
What you are saying by this statement Alan is aside from a few games at 20,000 in the late 60's none of the other crowds have eclipsed the 20,000 mark in actual fans? This includes the New Mexico State game in 2012 when fans were turned away from the gate? Alan I think you're the one making things up here.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:04 PM
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stupd cow fans buying family plan season tix in order to get a ticket for this game....two effects:

Total revenue higher this way than would actually be achieved by visiting fans buying single game tickets?

Phantom fans (season ticket bought but only attend one game) boosting total ANNOUNCED season attendance (if announced = tickets sold/allocated)?
OK, you might be on to something, however, considering Marshall does receive a block of tickets to sell through their own ticket office to their own fans, just how many do you suppose decide to go the route you describe? Tens or hundreds?
Hundreds, if not a couple thousand tickets have been sold that way to Marshall fans. They have been sending emails and calling Marshall fans like crazy. Also doing posts on Marshall boards in hopes of us buying up tickets to fill the stadium. I cant begin to tell you how many people bought into the family plan and ended up extending those to 10-15 tickets as a group for the Marshall game at a $29 price tag. While on the surface OU's season ticket sales are up because of these sells, more than likely all those additional tickets for the rest of the games will likely be tossed and the result will be some empty seats in the stadium after the Marshall game.

Good luck this weekend. Hopefully the weather turns out good.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:09 PM
A lot of em will end up back on the secondary market. We have a few other games where there will be sellout numbers.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:27 PM
They will be selling a lot of those extra family pack tics to Buyers At The Game On Saturday - the same you will see as Sellers/Hawkers at the next games........
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:38 PM
I'm not buying the argument that the 2012 NMSU game had a smaller crowd than the 2005 Pitt game. Similar subject... I'll bet the 2015 Marshall game has a larger crowd than the 2005 Pitt game.
I'm simply amazed more people do not understand how much this program has grown since then. Thanks Coach Solich.

There is a select crowd here who get upset about the paying attendance vs the butts in the seats number like every other major school in this country isn't giving the exact same statistics. YAWN.
If you care about that, you really need to start discussing only atmosphere and forget attendance all-together.
If you are talking atmosphere, for the Solich-era I think it goes Pitt and then the Temple Blackout game on 2011. Weak Tower attendance there, but the students showed up big-time. It looked and felt like something special. Lets start a thread about best crowd shots of Peden from ESPN and see how it looks.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:52 PM
One factor that has been underplayed in attendance calculations is enrollment growth on the Athens campus.
2005=19,833
2014=23,306
https://www.ohio.edu/instres/factbook.pdf
That is significant. Plus the sports culture on campus has changed drastically during this period.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 10:59 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
stupd cow fans buying family plan season tix in order to get a ticket for this game....two effects:

Total revenue higher this way than would actually be achieved by visiting fans buying single game tickets?

Phantom fans (season ticket bought but only attend one game) boosting total ANNOUNCED season attendance (if announced = tickets sold/allocated)?

No. As I understand it the Family packs are about $149 this year. That would include 4 Marshall tickets, along with 4 tickets to all the other games. If they bought four tickets to just Marshall, it would $160, so they save $11. Then they also have tickets to all the other games that they can sell.

Say that they sell the other tickets at an average of $5 each. they have 5 other games, and four tickets to each, or 20 total tickets. If they get $100 for the 20 tickets they don't want, their four Marshall tickets end up costing them $49, or $12 each.

If they sell them for the prices advertised in a thread here on BA, they get $10 each for SE Louisiana, $15 for Miami, and $5 each for the others. That nets them 4*10+4*15+12*5=40+60+60=$160. That means they get their four Marshall tickets for free, and make $11 profit for their trouble.


Thus, the Marshall fans can:
1. Pay $40 each, or $160 for four tickets
2. Pay $149 for four tickets, and discard the other tickets
3. Sell the other tickets, and end up paying $49 for the 4 Marshall tickets, or maybe even get in free and make a profit.

Will the result be more people in Peden because of tickets dumped into places like Stubhub cheaply? Will the result be more empty seats because they just throw the tickets away, and don't bother with them? I don't know, but I do think it's a strange way to price tickets.

The family packs cost us 30 each. So a group of 8 of us got 8 family packs for 250 bucks basically wth the fee. 8 regular tickets would have cost 330 bucks. We saved 10 bucks per ticket to get the family pack. And I will trade the other 5 tickets for a coke when i am at peden with some random lucky fan.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 11:43 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
One factor that has been underplayed in attendance calculations is enrollment growth on the Athens campus.
2005=19,833
2014=23,306
https://www.ohio.edu/instres/factbook.pdf
That is significant. Plus the sports culture on campus has changed drastically during this period.
It's been 14 years since the last expansion to Peden so the stadium is due for an upgrade. The last upgrade cycle (1999-2002) added the weight room, stadium lights, videoboard and lowered the field for seating. This cycle (2013-2016) is adding indoor facility, closed circuit TVs, academic center and larger videoboard. So that is basically the upgrade for this cycle. The cycle in the late 80's (ping cycle) added the corner bleachers, stadium tower and the brick scoreboard mounting in use today (w/o video).

Peden receives a major refresh every 12-14 years based on these cycles and each OU president had one major renovation cycle in their term. The next expansion won't likely be until 2025 under a new president with a new head coach. The school's debt service will be peaking in 2019 for the new dormatories so the school will play it cautious for anymore improvements. I doubt a second deck would cost more than 5 million though if it doesn't include luxury boxes.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 11:50 PM
ATTENDANCE FOR SATURDAY.

Read the thread title. This calls for a prediction of the announced figure (and I've no idea if it's paid or actual attending).

My prediction: 57,848
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Posted: 9/9/2015 11:57 PM
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The family packs cost us 30 each. So a group of 8 of us got 8 family packs for 250 bucks basically wth the fee. 8 regular tickets would have cost 330 bucks. We saved 10 bucks per ticket to get the family pack. And I will trade the other 5 tickets for a coke when i am at peden with some random lucky fan.
You bought tickets essentially for $32 dollars a piece to sit in the home team section instead of $42 for the visitors section. That is far from getting a steal on the purchase. How many people go to a game in a group of 8? The price of three tickets $126 is about the same as a price of a family pack. Only the cheapest of people would go that far to save 10 dollars on a ticket.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 7:24 AM
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The family packs cost us 30 each. So a group of 8 of us got 8 family packs for 250 bucks basically wth the fee. 8 regular tickets would have cost 330 bucks. We saved 10 bucks per ticket to get the family pack. And I will trade the other 5 tickets for a coke when i am at peden with some random lucky fan.
You bought tickets essentially for $32 dollars a piece to sit in the home team section instead of $42 for the visitors section. That is far from getting a steal on the purchase. How many people go to a game in a group of 8? The price of three tickets $126 is about the same as a price of a family pack. Only the cheapest of people would go that far to save 10 dollars on a ticket.
When you break down the actual ticket cost vs family plan option of 4 or more, we are getting the entire season including the Marshall game for $29.75 under the family plan. The single ticket option for the Marshall game is $44 in itself. Like I said, its a clever marketing scheme aimed at getting Marshall folks to buy up season tickets for OU in an attempt to increase their numbers. Problem is that all of those other tickets for the remaining games will likely be thrown away but some will hit the secondary market for $5 and $10 a piece by Marshall fans just trying to get rid of them. If they are successful in selling those additional tickets on the secondary market, it just means most Marshall fans got into the Marshall/Ohio game for free.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 7:48 AM
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The family packs cost us 30 each. So a group of 8 of us got 8 family packs for 250 bucks basically wth the fee. 8 regular tickets would have cost 330 bucks. We saved 10 bucks per ticket to get the family pack. And I will trade the other 5 tickets for a coke when i am at peden with some random lucky fan.
You bought tickets essentially for $32 dollars a piece to sit in the home team section instead of $42 for the visitors section. That is far from getting a steal on the purchase. How many people go to a game in a group of 8? The price of three tickets $126 is about the same as a price of a family pack. Only the cheapest of people would go that far to save 10 dollars on a ticket.
When you break down the actual ticket cost vs family plan option of 4 or more, we are getting the entire season including the Marshall game for $29.75 under the family plan. The single ticket option for the Marshall game is $44 in itself. Like I said, its a clever marketing scheme aimed at getting Marshall folks to buy up season tickets for OU in an attempt to increase their numbers. Problem is that all of those other tickets for the remaining games will likely be thrown away but some will hit the secondary market for $5 and $10 a piece by Marshall fans just trying to get rid of them. If they are successful in selling those additional tickets on the secondary market, it just means most Marshall fans got into the Marshall/Ohio game for free.
It's a clever marketing scheme to not price yourself out of the local market. The logic for single game pricing is alumni that travel from Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton, etc are used to paying $30-$50 for sporting events. Joe and Becky from Pomeroy are not. The family pack gives Joe and Becky an affordable option to bring their 2 kids to a game while at the same time selling out some of the less desirable seats in the stadium. It also satisfied a mandate from the university President at the time to not price ourselves out of the local southeastern Ohio market.

The individual prices are set based on demand for the game. This was not a plan to some how trick Marshall fans into paying more $$$. It has worked beautifully. From what I can gather the northeast corner of the stadium is sold out yearly with family packs. The Athletics department does the same thing for basketball at the Convo.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 9:04 AM
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It's a clever marketing scheme to not price yourself out of the local market. The logic for single game pricing is alumni that travel from Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton, etc are used to paying $30-$50 for sporting events. Joe and Becky from Pomeroy are not. The family pack gives Joe and Becky an affordable option to bring their 2 kids to a game while at the same time selling out some of the less desirable seats in the stadium. It also satisfied a mandate from the university President at the time to not price ourselves out of the local southeastern Ohio market.

Exactly. I'll be honest, for me it was initially a way to get homecoming tickets without hassle. I decided it was easy for me to come to at least two games a year (coming from the west side of Cbus) the first year I bought them. Now I'm coming to at least every Saturday home game, and I've been able to give away the Wednesday night games to people who will use them.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 10:33 AM
I just don't know why Marshall fans just didn't buy in bulk for $22 each.

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/footballtickets/group-discount...

Seems like a lot easier way to go than trying to off-load the extra family pack tickets.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 11:11 AM
Honestly I didn't know that group pricing was available or I would have!

But with the family pack, I've already unloaded a few Miami tickets and Western Michigan tickets for a total of $80.

That makes my 8 season tickets I bought come in at $22 each. $22 off each ticket.

22 x 8 = $176 for us to spend on whatever else we want.

Plus I get a free blanket out of it!
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Posted: 9/10/2015 11:41 AM
fedale: I'm sure you can sell the blanket too! If you are willing to do the leg work of selling off the extras, the family pack is the way to go.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 12:34 PM
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It's a clever marketing scheme to not price yourself out of the local market. The logic for single game pricing is alumni that travel from Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Dayton, etc are used to paying $30-$50 for sporting events. Joe and Becky from Pomeroy are not. The family pack gives Joe and Becky an affordable option to bring their 2 kids to a game while at the same time selling out some of the less desirable seats in the stadium. It also satisfied a mandate from the university President at the time to not price ourselves out of the local southeastern Ohio market.

Exactly. I'll be honest, for me it was initially a way to get homecoming tickets without hassle. I decided it was easy for me to come to at least two games a year (coming from the west side of Cbus) the first year I bought them. Now I'm coming to at least every Saturday home game, and I've been able to give away the Wednesday night games to people who will use them.
This. I always go to Homecoming, but that's usually all I can swing since I live over 400 miles away. Seeing the family pack option motivated me to go to the Marshall game as well. So now they have me going to an extra game and my family members in Southern Ohio going to the rest. That's 20 more butts in seats than there would've been.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 4:25 PM
I'm a user and supporter of an affordable family pack, but in my opinion we can't have it be cheaper than 4 tickets to one particular game. Either lower the price of the premium games or raise the price of the family pack or some combination thereof. Not only is it silly and slightly embarrassing, it also doesn't seem like the best way to maximize revenues.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 4:33 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I'm a user and supporter of an affordable family pack, but in my opinion we can't have it be cheaper than 4 tickets to one particular game. Either lower the price of the premium games or raise the price of the family pack or some combination thereof. Not only is it silly and slightly embarrassing, it also doesn't seem like the best way to maximize revenues.
This. This is my second season as a family pack season ticket holder. Both seasons a family pack has been cheaper than the most expensive single game tickets (Homecoming last season and Marshall and Homecoming this season). They really need to update the pricing so a family pack is cheaper than two games, not just one.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 5:00 PM
A question about perception-

- Cost of ticket to a game on Tuesday in November = X
- Cost of ticket to a game on Saturday in September = 2X

Do you see this and think
A. They've jacked up the price to the September game, or
B. They've discounted the price to the November game?

and, would it be better if both tickets were the same price?
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