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Posted: 9/17/2015 7:22 PM
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I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I think with a better passing game we would be a legit MACC contender right now, particularly given how well the defense and OL are playing.

Not to say that we can't win a MACC - maybe we can! But we'd sure be in a better place with an upper-tier MAC QB. Now if Vick can step up and be that guy...that would be awesome.

I agree that a very good passing game is a good to have, but I also feel that there are times you want to deploy your running game. A perfect example was that clock consuming 15 play drive at the end of the Marshall game that ate 6 minutes off the clock. It not only ended in a score, it ate so much clock that it doomed Marshall before they ever got the ball back.

Suppose that instead of a long drive, Ohio had hit a long bomb in the first series and scored. The points would have been the same, but Marshall would have gotten the ball back with something like 8 minutes left instead of 1:40. A lot of things could have happened in 8 minutes, but the chances of Marshall scoring twice in 1:40 were almost non-existent.

Where Monroe and I differ in this, I think, is that I love to see the strategic use of time management, and I'm looking at the overall strategy, while he likes to see big plays and TDs, and he actually views strategic time management as a negative rather than a positive, regardless of whether it is effective or not.
Monroe's sage wisdom, "Time of possession --pretty much worthless." OK. Now I understand Monroe's philosophy of football. Given his philosophy, coach Solich will never satisfy Monroe. Ain't gonna happen. Monroe wants MACtion. Coach Solich will never care about MACtion. Monroe, MACtion Ueber Alles. Solich, Defense Wins Championships & Run the ball, stop the run, win the game. Neither will change. Sad for MACtion lovers to be Ohio fans right now.
Last Edited: 9/17/2015 9:35:08 PM by Bcat2
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Posted: 9/17/2015 11:51 PM
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You can win time of possession all you want.

I want to win in re the score. And MACC.

I am not for wild and crazy plays, L.C. I am against extreme conservative, not reacting to circumstances, unable to come back in tight game or short clock circumstances football.

I am against paralyzed with fear of turnover when the other side's O is not that good, our D is lighting it up and we get the ball at 2:27 to go first half up 14-7 at our own 33...leading to 3 runs to take clock to :50 followed by one pass to the sidelines, a run up middle and a pass up the middle leading to missed FG--no attempt at all to score 6 and no reasonable attempt to get chip shot field goal attempt. Ultra, extreme conservative.

I still believe that one reason that our fans (students in partic) aren't fired up is because the above-described ball is NOGUSTOBORING.

I can tolerate it if we MACC. But 10 years and waiting....
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Posted: 9/18/2015 8:01 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
I can tolerate it if we MACC. But 10 years and waiting....

Isn't it 47 years and waiting????

Or does the story where Frank comes in and returns us to respectability not fit your narrative?
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Posted: 9/18/2015 10:29 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
..I am against paralyzed with fear of turnover when the other side's O is not that good, our D is lighting it up and we get the ball at 2:27 to go first half up 14-7 at our own 33...leading to 3 runs to take clock to :50 followed by one pass to the sidelines, a run up middle and a pass up the middle leading to missed FG--no attempt at all to score 6 and no reasonable attempt to get chip shot field goal attempt. Ultra, extreme conservative.
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It just goes to show that there are differences of opinion. I thought that was a masterful drive. First the clock was burned down to the point where even if Ohio didn't score, Marshall had no chance to score, then they moved to a position from where you'd expect the field goal to be good. The coaches and offense did their part, but the special team did not, or Ohio comes out of the half with another 3 points.

You hated it. I thought it was strategically perfect for the style of game they were in. I'd say we'll have to agree that we disagree, and move on. I do have to ask one honest question, first. Suppose Ohio had instead opted to go full-passing, and had a 3-and out, or an interception, and then Marshall got the ball back, and scored, and then Marshall went into the halftime tied, and with the momentum. Would you have thought "It's OK. At least they took a shot at scoring, instead of being conservative.", or would you have blasted them?
Last Edited: 9/18/2015 10:38:07 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 10:55 AM
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Some people are paralyzed with fear of the unlikely, that which is not fatal.

Other people give reasonable regard for such possibilities but do not let it distort their approach.



Yeah, that drive was certainly a classic, will be taught in coaching clinics for eternity.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 11:09 AM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Some people are paralyzed with fear of the unlikely, that which is not fatal.

Other people give reasonable regard for such possibilities but do not let it distort their approach.



Yeah, that drive was certainly a classic, will be taught in coaching clinics for eternity.
Ohio 21 - Marshall 10. "Someone needs to be fired." Riiiight.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 12:47 PM
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Some people are paralyzed with fear of the unlikely, that which is not fatal....

Why do you say that it was "unlikely" that if Ohio had gone up-tempo and passing, but had failed, that Marshall would have tried to score? Had Ohio gone full up-tempo, but not gotten at least a first down or two, it is a certainty that Marshall would have gotten the ball back with plenty of time on the clock.

Would Marshall have scored? Maybe that's where you're coming from. Maybe you're saying that, "sure they would have gotten the ball back, but it's not likely that they would have scored, given the way Ohio's defense was playing". That may or may not be true. I've seen teams that are struggling offensively go into a 2-minute drill, and suddenly find new life offensively, and move the ball with precision. Had that happened, Marshall would have come out in the second half with more confidence and momentum.

Good coaching, and a high career winning percentage is a result of playing the best odds on lots of little decisions. This was a good example of playing the best odds. It didn't turn out perfectly, but it didn't turn out badly, either. Marshall's offense stayed on the sidelines. The defense rested. Marshall went into the half with no momentum or confidence, and while Ohio didn't get points, they would have had some if the kick had been good, plus they kept the momentum.

As I said, this is not a place we'll ever agree.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 1:01 PM
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. . . This was a good example of playing the best odds. It didn't turn out perfectly, but it didn't turn out badly, either. Marshall's offense stayed on the sidelines. The defense rested. Marshall went into the half with no momentum or confidence, and while Ohio didn't get points, they would have had some if the kick had been good, plus they kept the momentum.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 1:08 PM
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If Yaz had made that FG, there would be less of a discussion about this scenario.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 5:49 PM
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Also, if Woody had gone straight to the police, this would never have happened.

Truth is, I like the strategy of making sure Marshall didn't get the ball. Once we assured that, a replay of the game showed we had a little more urgency than I initially remember. However, we could have gotten two more plays in and been 5, 10 or even 15 yards closer. sucks that we had no timeouts. It also sucks that the kick was missed... badly.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 7:24 PM
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It was extremely conservative, uninspiring ball.

It's not as if making a legit effort would have required wild and crazy. A simple, well-run two minute drill would have been a satisfactory effort.

Would have said to our D, "Hey, we know you've got our backs, so going for it a bit here is entirely possible because you guys are so good.'


Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree.

We'll also have to agree on a long tenure.

And, no MACC in 10 years.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 8:08 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
It was extremely conservative, uninspiring ball.

It's not as if making a legit effort would have required wild and crazy. A simple, well-run two minute drill would have been a satisfactory effort.

Would have said to our D, "Hey, we know you've got our backs, so going for it a bit here is entirely possible because you guys are so good.'


Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree.

We'll also have to agree on a long tenure.

And, no MACC in 10 years.
Ohio 21 - Marshall 10. "Someone needs to be fired." Riiiight.
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