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Posted: 9/19/2015 11:51 PM
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UT beats P5 teams two weeks in a row. I wonder when the last time a MAC team did that. Anyone know?
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Posted: 9/20/2015 12:11 AM
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Ohio Cat fan I am going out on a limb and say Never. Rarely does a MAC team get the chance to play two power conference teams in their non-conference schedule, let alone back to back. It won't get any easier with the kind of success we have been having lately. It seems only the Toledos of the world can even get the cache to have a power conference school come to the Glass Bowl.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 12:31 AM
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Ohio Cat fan I am going out on a limb and say Never. . .
I think you might be correct, but I'm not sure. Of course, you've got to use different terms in different periods -- BCS, "Big Time," etc.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 1:08 AM
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UT beats P5 teams two weeks in a row. I wonder when the last time a MAC team did that. Anyone know?
you have to go alllll the way back to 2012. Ball State beat Indiana 41-39 in wk3 and then USF (Big East) 31-27 in wk4.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 1:21 AM
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Perimeter, I didn't realize you were such a student of ancient history! ;-)

Seriously, thanks for coming up with the answer.
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That was a Ball State team that I thought was criminally under appreciated. They finished the regular season 9-3 with losses to @Clemson(11-2), NIU(12-2), and @Kent State(11-3), all teams that would be ranked in the top 20 at some point. In addition to beating 2 P5 teams they also beat a ranked Toledo team on the road and a previously ranked Ohio, but got no love in the polls.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 7:34 AM
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Which Big 10 team will hire Toledo's coach next year?
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Which Big 10 team will hire Toledo's coach next year?
Rutgers?
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Which Big 10 team will hire Toledo's coach next year?
Matt Campbell played and coached under Larry Kehres at Mount Union. While you have to take what a defense gives you in a particular game, you can go to almost any season under Kehres and Campbell and find a near 50-50 ratio of rushing and passing yards whether or not the QB is more of a dual threat or pro-style QB, Kehres has had both.

Campbell is really young but has a bright future.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 9:42 AM
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In 2013 Northern Illinois beat Iowa and Purdue - just not back to back.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 11:04 AM
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aaannnddd another FCS team topped an FBS team when Furman edged UCF 16-15. That's the 5th such FCS win this season, following a total of 15 the previous two seasons.

BTW, yesterday Wm & Mary looks like it gave VA plenty of trouble.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 11:17 AM
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That was a Ball State team that I thought was criminally under appreciated. They finished the regular season 9-3 with losses to @Clemson(11-2), NIU(12-2), and @Kent State(11-3), all teams that would be ranked in the top 20 at some point. In addition to beating 2 P5 teams they also beat a ranked Toledo team on the road and a previously ranked Ohio, but got no love in the polls.
This is why the computers in the BCS loved the MAC in 2012. The MAC beat a whole bunch of power teams many of whom finished near the top of their league. Ohio beat PSU, who finished second in their division, and we finished down lower in the MAC East. The computers rewarded performance and NIU sneaked into the top 14. Herbstreit saw an non power team in the BCS that he wasn't expecting and threw a fit.
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I would also think that being taken to OT at home by an unranked ISU team and Arkansas having now also lost to Texas Tech that they would not be ranked this week.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 11:50 AM
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Toledo could very well get some love from the pollsters this week





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Posted: 9/20/2015 12:02 PM
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I would also think that being taken to OT at home by an unranked ISU team and Arkansas having now also lost to Texas Tech that they would not be ranked this week.

Indeed, Toledo was one of the few MAC teams that did not go up in the Sagarin numbers this week, the only other one being EMU. Most MAC teams jumped 2-5 points, moving the overall MAC up to about where they were in 2011-12. It appears that the MAC has several good teams on both sides.

Which G5 conferences have the best teams at the top? Here's the average for the top 3 teams in each G5 Division:
AAC West: 73.82 (Memphis, Houston, Navy)
MWC Mountain: 72.69 (Boise St, Air Force, Utah St)
CUA East: 69.20 (MTSU, W. Ky, Marshall)
MAC West: 68.11 (Toledo, NIU, CMU)
MAC East: 67.47 (BG, Ohio, Buffalo)
AAC East: 67.17 (Temple, Cincinnati, East Carolina)
Sunbelt: 66.53 (Georgia Southern, Arkansas St, Louisiana-Lafayette)
CUSA West:66.08 (La. Tech, Rice, S. Mississippi)
MWC West: 61.43 (Nevada, Fresno St, Hawaii)

I will make an early prediction that the MAC will have at least 5 good bowl teams this year.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 12:13 PM
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I would also think that being taken to OT at home by an unranked ISU team and Arkansas having now also lost to Texas Tech that they would not be ranked this week.

Indeed, Toledo was one of the few MAC teams that did not go up in the Sagarin numbers this week, the only other one being EMU. Most MAC teams jumped 2-5 points, moving the overall MAC up to about where they were in 2011-12. It appears that the MAC has several good teams on both sides.

Which G5 conferences have the best teams at the top? Here's the average for the top 3 teams in each G5 Division:
AAC West: 73.82 (Memphis, Houston, Navy)
MWC Mountain: 72.69 (Boise St, Air Force, Utah St)
CUA East: 69.20 (MTSU, W. Ky, Marshall)
MAC West: 68.11 (Toledo, NIU, CMU)
MAC East: 67.47 (BG, Ohio, Buffalo)
AAC East: 67.17 (Temple, Cincinnati, East Carolina)
Sunbelt: 66.53 (Georgia Southern, Arkansas St, Louisiana-Lafayette)
CUSA West:66.08 (La. Tech, Rice, S. Mississippi)
MWC West: 61.43 (Nevada, Fresno St, Hawaii)

I will make an early prediction that the MAC will have at least 5 good bowl teams this year.
Yeah, I'm sure the conference is having a good day with the power rankings because it won every game that it was favored in, most by really healthy margins, and lost every game it was an underdog in by much smaller margins than expected. But in not having actually pulled out any of those upsets they probably stayed pretty flat in the BCS style W/L only rankings.

It's odd to see a MWC division dead last.
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MWC won their first 2 games of the season vs FBS opponents, both on Friday night of wk1 and both against P5 teams. Since then the MWC is 0-21 vs FBS. They are 10-1 vs FCS. That's 12-22 overall after 3 weeks. Ugly.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 1:27 PM
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MWC won their first 2 games of the season vs FBS opponents, both on Friday night of wk1 and both against P5 teams. Since then the MWC is 0-21 vs FBS. They are 10-1 vs FCS. That's 12-22 overall after 3 weeks. Ugly.
True. I'm surprised that I had not realized a 21 game FBS losing streak. The Sunbelt has no P5 wins. CUSA has two. MAC is 3-13. AAC is 3-10.

The AAC is probably going to be the best G5 league in the computers. The MAC and CUSA are up for 2nd and 3rd between them unless something changes a whole lot in the last third or so of OOC games.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 2:38 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure the conference is having a good day with the power rankings because it won every game that it was favored in, most by really healthy margins, and lost every game it was an underdog in by much smaller margins than expected. But in not having actually pulled out any of those upsets they probably stayed pretty flat in the BCS style W/L only rankings.

It's odd to see a MWC division dead last.

Yes, it was a bummer that they didn't pull out at least a couple of those. So many teams were close, but then ended up losing by 2-5 points....
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