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Alan Swank
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Posted: 9/17/2015 1:20 PM
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Wes,

How are you producing official attendance numbers that no one else seems to have the ability to access?

I was on the hill Saturday and it was a wet, muddy mess so that almost certainly discouraged a lot of people from sitting there. I was also on the hill for the Pitt game and that was pretty unreal.
That is a great question. He spits out facts here like they are the gospel truth. Where do you get these absolute and official numbers?
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Posted: 9/17/2015 5:16 PM
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I think there is some scheduling done at the conference level. Lots of MAC teams playing CUSA and other like conferences.
Kent is at Minny this week we are there next week.
I think it benefits the weaker football schools to have the conference helping to schedule games. Some of our MAC teams have very few loyal fans EMU, Kent, Akron etc.
For stronger teams like NIU, Toledo and others there is less reliance on asking the conference to help getting games.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 3:00 PM
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Yes. It's been a tired mix of:

One Payday Road Game
Two ...um....VERY winnable games vs. teams outside the midwest and no local interest
Marshall

I know they want two OOC home games each year, but seems like could either do teams with a little more namesake and dump one of the "very" winnable games.
What's the incentive to "improve" the schedule? In the last 10 years, Saturday attendance (when most non-conference games will fall) has been weather based. Only the die hards who post on this board base their attendance on the opponent in any way. That's been demonstrated by all the P5s that have come to Peden. That Pitt game's attendance was fueled by Frank Fever. Why should a program operating in the red pay up or leave money on the table if it doesn't add more butts in the seats or increase most fans' interest in any way?
How about a MAC championship? You don't see BG, Toledo, & Northern Illinois playing cupcakes to have "W"s. What value does Idaho and SE Loisiana wins have compared to BG's 1-2 record vs Maryland, Tennessee and Memphis. And they play Purdue next week. But "Hey! We'll be 3-1 or maybe 4-0 and probably finish 8-4 miss the MACC again but go to a pre Christmas bowl game ".
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Posted: 9/20/2015 3:02 PM
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Bobcat110 wrote:expand_more
Yes. It's been a tired mix of:

One Payday Road Game
Two ...um....VERY winnable games vs. teams outside the midwest and no local interest
Marshall

I know they want two OOC home games each year, but seems like could either do teams with a little more namesake and dump one of the "very" winnable games.
What's the incentive to "improve" the schedule? In the last 10 years, Saturday attendance (when most non-conference games will fall) has been weather based. Only the die hards who post on this board base their attendance on the opponent in any way. That's been demonstrated by all the P5s that have come to Peden. That Pitt game's attendance was fueled by Frank Fever. Why should a program operating in the red pay up or leave money on the table if it doesn't add more butts in the seats or increase most fans' interest in any way?
How about a MAC championship? You don't see BG, Toledo, & Northern Illinois playing cupcakes to have "W"s. What value does Idaho and SE Loisiana wins have compared to BG's 1-2 record vs Maryland, Tennessee and Memphis. And they play Purdue next week. But "Hey! We'll be 3-1 or maybe 4-0 and probably finish 8-4 miss the MACC again but go to a pre Christmas bowl game ".
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Posted: 9/20/2015 3:08 PM
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OUBobcat13 wrote:expand_more
Yes. It's been a tired mix of:

One Payday Road Game
Two ...um....VERY winnable games vs. teams outside the midwest and no local interest
Marshall

I know they want two OOC home games each year, but seems like could either do teams with a little more namesake and dump one of the "very" winnable games.
What's the incentive to "improve" the schedule? In the last 10 years, Saturday attendance (when most non-conference games will fall) has been weather based. Only the die hards who post on this board base their attendance on the opponent in any way. That's been demonstrated by all the P5s that have come to Peden. That Pitt game's attendance was fueled by Frank Fever. Why should a program operating in the red pay up or leave money on the table if it doesn't add more butts in the seats or increase most fans' interest in any way?
How about a MAC championship? You don't see BG, Toledo, & Northern Illinois playing cupcakes to have "W"s. What value does Idaho and SE Loisiana wins have compared to BG's 1-2 record vs Maryland, Tennessee and Memphis. And they play Purdue next week. But "Hey! We'll be 3-1 or maybe 4-0 and probably finish 8-4 miss the MACC again but go to a pre Christmas bowl game ".
Say we finish our out-of-conference schedule 1-3 instead of 3-1...that means you now have to win 5 conference games just to become bowl eligible....something we have NOT done since 2011.
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Posted: 9/20/2015 5:31 PM
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I just realized that BG open at Tennessee then Maryland, Memphis at home and Purdue at home. Can you win a MACC Championship with that OOC sked?
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Posted: 9/20/2015 6:00 PM
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I just realized that BG open at Tennessee then Maryland, Memphis at home and Purdue at home. Can you win a MACC Championship with that OOC sked?
Why not? I do hope they don't, though, and that OHIO thrashes them up in the ugly Flatlands of the Northwest Ohio on WEDNESDAY, November 4.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 4:47 PM
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Say we finish our out-of-conference schedule 1-3 instead of 3-1...that means you now have to win 5 conference games just to become bowl eligible....something we have NOT done since 2011.
Is that a bad thing? Scheduling a weak OOC and going 4-4 in the MAC play just so we can get to a bowl game was fine 5+ years ago. I was just hoping the program might mature some and challenge themselves more to maybe win a MACC.

I'd think OOC has some influence on recruits too. "Mr. MAC Recruit, I've heard nice things about Idaho and SE Lousiana State...but wouldn't you rather play Purdue, Maryland, Memphis and Tennessee? Oh, and here's a complimentary dvd of our 2013 MAC Championship game win over #16 Northern Illinois."
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Posted: 9/21/2015 5:22 PM
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ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
I just realized that BG open at Tennessee then Maryland, Memphis at home and Purdue at home. Can you win a MACC Championship with that OOC sked?
It's been done. Since 2006 when NCAA schedule went to 12 games, every MACC game winner has played at least 2 OOC games vs. Power 5 conference teams. CMU made it a staple to play 3 OOC games vs. Power 5 conference teams during their championships -

CMU:2009 vs Boston College, Mich St and Arizona
CMU:2007 vs Kansas, Purdue, and Clemson
CMU:2006 vs Boston College, Michigan and Kentucky

HOWEVER, if Ohio wins the MACC this year, they'd be first MAC Champion to play only 1 OOC game vs. a power 5 team since the NCAA went to 12 games. Akron won in 2005 playing only Purdue as a Power 5 OOC, but they only played 3 OOC games.
Last Edited: 9/21/2015 5:25:34 PM by Bobcat110
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