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Posted: 9/15/2015 8:28 AM
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Gdowski??
He had a nice season, but I was kind of limiting it to those that played after college. The others I should have included were Ferragamo and McCant. Frazier didn't actually play professionally, but would have without the clot issue, so I included him.

The names weren't the point, though. The point was that Ohio can do a lot with a solid running game and a solid defense, and I think they can even win the MAC, but if they want to really get attention, and threaten to get into the access bowl, they need a special QB, too. In 2012 it looked like they had that, until the upper body injury to TT.

Ohio has had guys that played professionally at a variety of positions, including specialist, defensive tackle, cornerback, safety, offensive line, wide receiver, and tight end. Who will be the first QB?
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Posted: 9/15/2015 8:54 PM
Arkley tweets that Vick was at practice today, sporting a compression sleeve, and that Sprague did not practice, and was wearing a sling. Vick and Windham shared the snaps. Also, Jovon Johnson, Wells, and Tautuaiki were off today as well, but McCray did practice.
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Posted: 9/15/2015 10:33 PM
Spraque in sling does not sound good ...short-term.

My vote would be to start Windham and get him some much needed experience and let Vick recover. Then bring Vick back vs. MN and you have Windham with some snaps under his belt as a back-up. But I have no note -- we'll see.
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Posted: 9/15/2015 10:35 PM
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Arkley tweets that Vick was at practice today, sporting a compression sleeve, and that Sprague did not practice, and was wearing a sling. Vick and Windham shared the snaps. Also, Jovon Johnson, Wells, and Tautuaiki were off today as well, but McCray did practice.
McCray returns to practice much sooner than I expected. If he is to return I would rather extend his recovery until MAC play. Longer if necessary. McCray's upside is worth time it takes to get him to 100%.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:19 AM
Finally we will all get a heaping helping of Windham!

I just hope they play-call to his strengths and avoid the option and designed QB runs. Last year he quickly led us down the field against BG only to fumble it inside the five on an option - a play that he looked pretty uncomfortable executing.

I know Albin reads BA so I'm sure he will heed my words.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 7:50 AM
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Finally we will all get a heaping helping of Windham!

I just hope they play-call to his strengths and avoid the option and designed QB runs. Last year he quickly led us down the field against BG only to fumble it inside the five on an option - a play that he looked pretty uncomfortable executing.

I know Albin reads BA so I'm sure he will heed my words.
Last practice report had Vick/Windham sharing snaps. Last word from coach was if either of the top two, Vick/Sprague were available they would start. I do hope Vick can go. He has been great , 73% completion, 175 QB Efficiency, 7.4 yds per play. We are finally getting to see Vick's upside that we glimpsed back when he filled in with a four TD game a few years ago. Healthy, I believe he is this teams best shot at a MACC. Further, I hope Sprague,s injury mends quickly and he can return to the role he has earned. Mr. Windham, I believe, can see what Vick is getting done and I doubt he would wish to see the field through the injury of either Vick or Sprague. To suggest that Windham can not execute Ohio's entire offense because of one fumble, well, I don't get that.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 8:53 AM
Vick was wearing a compression type sleeve, but made his throws all practice long and looked fine. He was the most accurate passer from start to finish, and unless he has some type of negative reaction to Tuesday's good practice I would bet that he will keep his starting position this Saturday. It appears that Wyndham will get reps this week as our #2, and depending on the flow of this weeks game, could see some action if the staff decides it's time to get him some game day action.
J.D. was in shorts and wearing a sling on his throwing side which is obviously not good news. More diagnostic tests scheduled to determine path forward. It's never good to have any of your quarterbacks injured, and hopefully injury rehab can get JD back on the field in 2015.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:38 AM
Does anyone realize that Ohio is actually talking about 3 QB's that are decent players and can win games. In the old days pre Solich wasnt it a luxury to have 1 good QB.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 9:58 AM
Bobcatzblitz wrote:expand_more
In the old days pre Solich wasnt it a luxury to have 1 good QB.
I think the phrase you're looking for was "unheard of" (at least from 2001-2004)
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:14 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Finally we will all get a heaping helping of Windham!

I just hope they play-call to his strengths and avoid the option and designed QB runs. Last year he quickly led us down the field against BG only to fumble it inside the five on an option - a play that he looked pretty uncomfortable executing.

I know Albin reads BA so I'm sure he will heed my words.
Last practice report had Vick/Windham sharing snaps. Last word from coach was if either of the top two, Vick/Sprague were available they would start. I do hope Vick can go. He has been great , 73% completion, 175 QB Efficiency, 7.4 yds per play. We are finally getting to see Vick's upside that we glimpsed back when he filled in with a four TD game a few years ago. Healthy, I believe he is this teams best shot at a MACC. Further, I hope Sprague,s injury mends quickly and he can return to the role he has earned. Mr. Windham, I believe, can see what Vick is getting done and I doubt he would wish to see the field through the injury of either Vick or Sprague. To suggest that Windham can not execute Ohio's entire offense because of one fumble, well, I don't get that.

I agree, Vick is our best chance at a MACC. And he looked pretty good at Idaho.

My point with Windham is that he has a different skill set than Sprague or even Vick. If I remember correctly, he played a little against Eastern Illinois last year and never threw a pass. They called several designed QB runs and he handed the ball off a few times.

He's more of a traditional, pro-style QB...so the play-calling needs to be slightly tweaked for him to be successful. Just my opinion.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 10:44 AM
To all of the Marshall lovers did you see the cheap out of bounds hit on Sprague?
Defenseless and this bum plowed into him . Maybe ended Sprague's season. If they were in the MAC there would be a multiple game suspension.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 11:08 AM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
Finally we will all get a heaping helping of Windham!

I just hope they play-call to his strengths and avoid the option and designed QB runs. Last year he quickly led us down the field against BG only to fumble it inside the five on an option - a play that he looked pretty uncomfortable executing.

I know Albin reads BA so I'm sure he will heed my words.
Last practice report had Vick/Windham sharing snaps. Last word from coach was if either of the top two, Vick/Sprague were available they would start. I do hope Vick can go. He has been great , 73% completion, 175 QB Efficiency, 7.4 yds per play. We are finally getting to see Vick's upside that we glimpsed back when he filled in with a four TD game a few years ago. Healthy, I believe he is this teams best shot at a MACC. Further, I hope Sprague,s injury mends quickly and he can return to the role he has earned. Mr. Windham, I believe, can see what Vick is getting done and I doubt he would wish to see the field through the injury of either Vick or Sprague. To suggest that Windham can not execute Ohio's entire offense because of one fumble, well, I don't get that.

I agree, Vick is our best chance at a MACC. And he looked pretty good at Idaho.

My point with Windham is that he has a different skill set than Sprague or even Vick. If I remember correctly, he played a little against Eastern Illinois last year and never threw a pass. They called several designed QB runs and he handed the ball off a few times.

He's more of a traditional, pro-style QB...so the play-calling needs to be slightly tweaked for him to be successful. Just my opinion.
There was a short time that I thought Ohio was recruiting with the intent of tweaking the offense toward more passing. Not so sure now. Now I believe they are still working to find that point guard type to distribute the football, while still being an able runner too. Examples are recent NIU QBs, 2011 TT, Corby Jones of MO, Scott Frost of NE. Just judging from recruiting Quinton Maxwell.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 12:36 PM
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To all of the Marshall lovers did you see the cheap out of bounds hit on Sprague?
Defenseless and this bum plowed into him . Maybe ended Sprague's season. If they were in the MAC there would be a multiple game suspension.
Yes. of all the jawing and holding and late shoves and general bad behavior in the game, that was a dirty hit at a whole 'nother level. JD was down, and well out of bounds, then was hit hard and rolled.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 2:37 PM
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I agree, Vick is our best chance at a MACC. And he looked pretty good at Idaho.

My point with Windham is that he has a different skill set than Sprague or even Vick. If I remember correctly, he played a little against Eastern Illinois last year and never threw a pass. They called several designed QB runs and he handed the ball off a few times.

He's more of a traditional, pro-style QB...so the play-calling needs to be slightly tweaked for him to be successful. Just my opinion.

I totally agree, Paul. Windham's skills are not identical to the other QBs. They aren't radically different, but they are different. To me he seems to be a better passer, but not as comfortable on the option. I don't think they need a different playbook for him, but some minor tweaking of the playcalling when he is in seems reasonable, calling a few more passes, and a few less options. Given his stronger arm, they also might call less slants and more deep crossing routes or out patterns.

I know I'm not, and I don't think you are, calling for them to abandon the options, QB draws, etc, just call them slightly less often. I'm pretty sure that the coaches see this, too, though. When Windham was in for cleanup they are going to call things differently than if he makes an appearance early in the game, when the game is close. We've never seen Windham play in a close game, so we really don't know how the coaches will use him.

As for seeing Sprague in a sling, that wouldn't be a broken rib, but could be a broken collarbone. Whatever it is, it sounds like he won't be back for awhile.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 3:25 PM
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I agree, Vick is our best chance at a MACC. And he looked pretty good at Idaho.

My point with Windham is that he has a different skill set than Sprague or even Vick. If I remember correctly, he played a little against Eastern Illinois last year and never threw a pass. They called several designed QB runs and he handed the ball off a few times.

He's more of a traditional, pro-style QB...so the play-calling needs to be slightly tweaked for him to be successful. Just my opinion.

I totally agree, Paul. Windham's skills are not identical to the other QBs. They aren't radically different, but they are different. To me he seems to be a better passer, but not as comfortable on the option. I don't think they need a different playbook for him, but some minor tweaking of the playcalling when he is in seems reasonable, calling a few more passes, and a few less options. Given his stronger arm, they also might call less slants and more deep crossing routes or out patterns.

I know I'm not, and I don't think you are, calling for them to abandon the options, QB draws, etc, just call them slightly less often. I'm pretty sure that the coaches see this, too, though. When Windham was in for cleanup they are going to call things differently than if he makes an appearance early in the game, when the game is close. We've never seen Windham play in a close game, so we really don't know how the coaches will use him.

As for seeing Sprague in a sling, that wouldn't be a broken rib, but could be a broken collarbone. Whatever it is, it sounds like he won't be back for awhile.
If they change the play calling with Windham I doubt they would change the intended balance. They might just give the runs to a back. Though, truly I believe Mr. Windham can achieve the new success standards whatever is called.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 6:58 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Finally we will all get a heaping helping of Windham!

I just hope they play-call to his strengths and avoid the option and designed QB runs. Last year he quickly led us down the field against BG only to fumble it inside the five on an option - a play that he looked pretty uncomfortable executing.

I know Albin reads BA so I'm sure he will heed my words.
Last practice report had Vick/Windham sharing snaps. Last word from coach was if either of the top two, Vick/Sprague were available they would start. I do hope Vick can go. He has been great , 73% completion, 175 QB Efficiency, 7.4 yds per play. We are finally getting to see Vick's upside that we glimpsed back when he filled in with a four TD game a few years ago. Healthy, I believe he is this teams best shot at a MACC. Further, I hope Sprague,s injury mends quickly and he can return to the role he has earned. Mr. Windham, I believe, can see what Vick is getting done and I doubt he would wish to see the field through the injury of either Vick or Sprague. To suggest that Windham can not execute Ohio's entire offense because of one fumble, well, I don't get that.

I agree, Vick is our best chance at a MACC. And he looked pretty good at Idaho.

My point with Windham is that he has a different skill set than Sprague or even Vick. If I remember correctly, he played a little against Eastern Illinois last year and never threw a pass. They called several designed QB runs and he handed the ball off a few times.

He's more of a traditional, pro-style QB...so the play-calling needs to be slightly tweaked for him to be successful. Just my opinion.
There was a short time that I thought Ohio was recruiting with the intent of tweaking the offense toward more passing. Not so sure now. Now I believe they are still working to find that point guard type to distribute the football, while still being an able runner too. Examples are recent NIU QBs, 2011 TT, Corby Jones of MO, Scott Frost of NE. Just judging from recruiting Quinton Maxwell.
There was the 3 yards of dust era in the MAC before Marshall rejoined. Marshall's passing game changed offenses in the MAC as they moved to a passing game. Boise State proved an explosive running attack with an effective passing game is hyper productive. The big play revolution has touched the running game. Programs are recruiting a bevy of backs and receivers to stimulate competition and building athletic veteran lineman. If you are planning to turn a program around better defense is the first priority so you can stay in ball games to win them and QB play with improved mechanics. Ohio's program over performed in 2005-6 with this approach and from there performed about average relative to team talent. Bowden is trying to do it with defense like Frank but is struggling to attract talent to that school.
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Posted: 9/16/2015 7:17 PM
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Does anyone realize that Ohio is actually talking about 3 QB's that are decent players and can win games. In the old days pre Solich wasnt it a luxury to have 1 good QB.
There would be 1 QB that was alright but then a HUGE drop off from #1 to #2. #1 would marginally be a MAC level QB but the backups no way.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 2:38 AM
The late hit was clearly out of bounds and a bad play but I'm not sure that it was a cheap shot beyond that.

We need a qb who can, especially at big moments, 1) hit receivers who aren't wide open and 2) find the 2nd, 3rd options when the first option is not open. These are the qualities of the top qb's. Not sure we've seen much of this from the current bunch. TT did it.
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Posted: 9/17/2015 10:36 AM
Yesterday JD tweeted "From Bad to Worse":(
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Posted: 9/18/2015 12:47 PM
According to today's The Post,Vick is supposed to be good to go tomorrow.

Was also wondering if anyone knows exactly what JD's injury is ?
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Posted: 9/18/2015 1:19 PM
It's good to know that Vick is healthy, and can start. I'm going to take a wild guess that we'll see Windham in the second quarter, just as we've seen Sprague in the past, and that if Ohio is ahead in the second half, we'll see more of him.
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Posted: 9/19/2015 10:49 AM
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It's good to know that Vick is healthy, and can start. I'm going to take a wild guess that we'll see Windham in the second quarter, just as we've seen Sprague in the past, and that if Ohio is ahead in the second half, we'll see more of him.
From reading their board it sounds like SE Louisiana is going to be sitting several of their starters with minor injuries including the starting QB.
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