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Posted: 10/16/2015 1:15 PM
OK, I'll bite. Personally, I think Victory Hill is about as STUPID as it gets! I'd close that end of the stadium up with seating (not a horseshoe but a straight line of permanent seats like the old bleacher days) and then put a huge scoreboard above/behind those seats...(if you've seen the closed in non horse shoe end of Nippert that would be my example).

Just my opinion...
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Posted: 10/16/2015 4:24 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
OK, I'll bite. Personally, I think Victory Hill is about as STUPID as it gets! I'd close that end of the stadium up with seating (not a horseshoe but a straight line of permanent seats like the old bleacher days) and then put a huge scoreboard above/behind those seats...(if you've seen the closed in non horse shoe end of Nippert that would be my example).

Just my opinion...
I don't know about that. You get people to pay to sit on the ground. That's pretty smart.

Well, Peden is a little quaint, rustic place that we are stuck with it seems. With the corner sections standing out like sore thumbs and looking absolutely ugly, there is not much you can do except tear them or something else down to make this thing look like something other than a poor looking high school field. We are in a bad place as far as stadiums relative to almost every other FCS team as far as I can tell.

It does remind me somewhat of Marshall's old Fairfield stadium before they tore it down. Sad but true.
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Posted: 10/16/2015 5:11 PM
I don't mind the hill. When a new scoreboard is erected I just hope they move it much closer to the end zone. Between the new academic center on the north end and a large scoreboard situated much closer to the field on the south end it should make Peden feel a little tighter and hold a little more crowd noise.
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Posted: 10/16/2015 5:28 PM
Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
I don't mind the hill. When a new scoreboard is erected I just hope they move it much closer to the end zone. Between the new academic center on the north end and a large scoreboard situated much closer to the field on the south end it should make Peden feel a little tighter and hold a little more crowd noise.
The last videoboard didn't fit the existing scoreboard stand completely so I bet the new one is going have a much larger and more ornate stand on which the 20x, 30x, 40x stand is going to rest. if done right it can make the south endzone look more finished.
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Posted: 10/16/2015 5:37 PM
As I understand it, the new video board will go on top of the Academic Center, at least that was one plan I was told about. If that's done, I think the old score board will be torn down, or used as an auxiliary board. Atop the Academic Center no one would be able to stand in front of it and block the clock. Why we allow that is beyond me.
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Posted: 10/16/2015 9:04 PM
I have a couple questions. First of all, how did they pay to construct Peden originally? There was a lot less money involved in football in those days, yet somehow they built what is there.

Second, what happens if you think outside the box? Suppose that rather than building a huge jumbotron so that the fans can see replays, instead build a massive high speed wi-fi instead Peden, and then push the replays out to people's cell phones. Peden could still have a smaller scoreboard display for those without smart phones, but if you pushed the picture to their phones, most people would actually get a better picture than they ever get on a jumbotron, and the cost might be a lot lower.
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Posted: 10/16/2015 10:47 PM
I will be the first to admit that I am a functional illiterate when it comes to Wi-Fi and the internet but that sounds like a brilliant idea LC.
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Posted: 10/16/2015 11:24 PM
A 25 ft tall bad call or great play will get more crowd/fan response than a 3 inch tall bad call or great play. Will also be a stronger selling point for advertising $'s - More Impact - More seeing your face or biz on the big screen if you pony up the $'s (and that could be a huge $ plus - owner ego's and good biz marketing sense).
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Posted: 10/17/2015 8:04 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
A 25 ft tall bad call or great play will get more crowd/fan response than a 3 inch tall bad call or great play. Will also be a stronger selling point for advertising $'s - More Impact - More seeing your face or biz on the big screen if you pony up the $'s (and that could be a huge $ plus - owner ego's and good biz marketing sense).

True - you can easily sell ads to the big screen, but not so much to the small ones, and the crowd shots can be a big deal.
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Posted: 10/17/2015 9:48 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I have a couple questions. First of all, how did they pay to construct Peden originally? There was a lot less money involved in football in those days, yet somehow they built what is there.
To state the obvious, things were quite a bit different in 1929 when the stadium was built. It might be even more illuminating to look across the street at the Convo, which was built with a ton of money from the state (part of the reason it has dorms inside). But that was at a time when the state valued and paid for higher education, which is emphatically not the case today. Funding today is a shadow of what it was in the 1960s.

The link below provides some context, but here's the pertinent quote (funding's even lower today, for the record):

"In 1991, Ohio dedicated $7.03 of every $1,000 in state personal income to higher education. This plunged to $6.30 in 2000 and to $4.57 in 2011, a 35 percent decline over 20 years, which surpassed the 31 percent decline seen in the nation in the same period."

http://www.policymattersohio.org/deregulation-oct2012

Tuition increases have largely filled the void left by lower funding, which makes it very legitimate to question when any university funds go to pay for things like snazzy scoreboards.
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Posted: 10/17/2015 9:52 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I have a couple questions. First of all, how did they pay to construct Peden originally? There was a lot less money involved in football in those days, yet somehow they built what is there.

Second, what happens if you think outside the box? Suppose that rather than building a huge jumbotron so that the fans can see replays, instead build a massive high speed wi-fi instead Peden, and then push the replays out to people's cell phones. Peden could still have a smaller scoreboard display for those without smart phones, but if you pushed the picture to their phones, most people would actually get a better picture than they ever get on a jumbotron, and the cost might be a lot lower.
Just what we need, people on their phones more. It's a disease I tell you!
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Posted: 10/17/2015 10:14 AM
Capital improvement budgets are still separate from operating budgets in Ohio. Separate appropriations by the General Assembly. I suspect, RJ's figures are for operating budgets only, but not sure.
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Posted: 10/17/2015 10:28 AM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
To state the obvious, things were quite a bit different in 1929 when the stadium was built. It might be even more illuminating to look across the street at the Convo, which was built with a ton of money from the state (part of the reason it has dorms inside). But that was at a time when the state valued and paid for higher education, which is emphatically not the case today. Funding today is a shadow of what it was in the 1960s. ...

I have no doubt that things were different back then, in many ways. I actually was thinking that Peden might have been built in the 30's as a public works project, but if the date was 1929 that wouldn't be the case.

OK, so the state paid to build the Convo, but that doesn't answer my question. Did the state also pay to build Peden? Or, was it built with private contributions? The 1929 completion date tends to make me think it might have been the latter. In the late days of the roaring 20's, raising private contributions would have been relatively easier than at any time after market crashed in late 1929, at least until the roaring 1990's. ;)

Regardless of how they are originally built it, it seems clear that in today's climate the only way to update, modernize, or rebuild Peden would be to do it with private contributions. Financing it with debt the way Akron did was a recipe for disaster, and Akron, of course, is a disaster.

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Just what we need, people on their phones more. It's a disease I tell you!

Hey, at least they wouldn't be driving or even walking at the same time. ;)
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Posted: 10/17/2015 4:08 PM
The Convo was built with a combination of funding. From memory, these included: 1. Bonds, 2. Federal funds, and maybe some state capital improvement funds. I believe that bonds were the biggest source of funding. As I recall it took nearly 20 years or more for those bonds to be paid off. The federal funds were from a program that supported the building of college dorms, and that explains why the dorms were placed in the building.

Somewhere around here I have some information on the building of Peden, then called Ohio Stadium. I'll see if I can find that stuff.
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Posted: 10/17/2015 4:12 PM
You were there when Peden was built?
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Posted: 10/17/2015 4:24 PM
The tower was built with State money, is its official designation was classroom space, learning labs, studio and office space.
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