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Posted: 10/4/2015 8:22 AM
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They are saving Irons 2020.
Yep and other coaches wonder why he hasn't gotten carries!
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:45 AM
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They are saving Irons 2020.
Yep and other coaches wonder why he hasn't gotten carries!
Who are these "other" coaches who have time to worry about another team's 4th team players? Seriously, another coach should understand how playing time is earned and if a player is not playing it is because others earned the time. Not complicated.

Coach addressed how Akron's strength up front dictated a change in the balance of the offense away from Ouellette. Putting Brown or Irons in would not have made a difference except for the loss of Ouellette's blocking to protect Vick.

On the lack of carries Ouellette has received in the previous two games —

Solich "If you look at the way it played out, we weren’t getting the type of yard-gain on the ground that we would have hoped to. We were struggling in trying to make it fit for us offensively in terms of getting things accomplished. Part of it was Akron’s defensive front. They were probably the best defensive front we have faced so far. I think part of it was also Derrius (Vick) being ‘hobbled’, which didn’t allow us to run our whole offense."

Post - In the previous two games, Ouellette has ran the football 18 times for 85 yards and a touchdown, so it's evident Solich still wants to utilize Ouellette's services despite pedestrian numbers.

On Saturday, Akron stacked the box to prevent Ohio's three-headed monster of Ouellette, Papi White and Daz Patterson to halt Ohio's running game, so Solich is right.

As Vick's running ability remains in question, expect Ouellette to bounce back against Miami though. The RedHawks have surrendered 188.8 rushing yards per game this season.

http://www.thepostathens.com/sports/football-points-taken...
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Posted: 10/7/2015 4:00 PM
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Oh, shut up.

Wanting to see what Irons can do is in no way a knock on AJ, has almost zero to do with him.

It could well be argued, contrary to what the coaches assert and you, of course buy 100%, that the best way to approach 'kron was to go heavy at their supposedly stout d-line. Maybe could've shown that our strong O-line was better than them and, with AJ and Irons, we could've had a much more points victory. Why should we concede to, cower against, their supposed strength--especially given that we consider our o-line to be stout.

But that's all speculation.

Until we have proof on the field, some of us don't buy it. Some of us don't hold what the coaches say as inevitable truth.

The way that you won't even allow for the possib that Irons is the goods is not good call, not good critical thinking.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 4:56 PM
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Oh, shut up.

Wanting to see what Irons can do is in no way a knock on AJ, has almost zero to do with him.

It could well be argued, contrary to what the coaches assert and you, of course buy 100%, that the best way to approach 'kron was to go heavy at their supposedly stout d-line. Maybe could've shown that our strong O-line was better than them and, with AJ and Irons, we could've had a much more points victory. Why should we concede to, cower against, their supposed strength--especially given that we consider our o-line to be stout.

But that's all speculation.

Until we have proof on the field, some of us don't buy it. Some of us don't hold what the coaches say as inevitable truth.

The way that you won't even allow for the possib that Irons is the goods is not good call, not good critical thinking.
Monroe, Akron's defensive front was better than our guys, they are good. And running the football is a game of mathematics. Something as a CPA you should understand. And yes, inserting another back into the mix (when nothing is wrong) does take away from the reps and rhythm of the other guys. At this rate we could win the MACC, go to a great Bowl game, and you'd find something trivial to bitch about like no shuttle bus from the hotel.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 5:37 PM
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THat is not true.

I may not like the way that we do it, but if we win, I'll concede that I was wrong.

I didn't like stuff vs. Minne. And we lost, so I hold strongly to my points there.


Since we bet 'kron, I haven't said much beyond 'play Irons' and, today, should've run bigger inside re 'kron. Irons is an over-arching point and the 'run inside' is a viewpoint that I've not made a big deal of. We won; that's the main thing.

If we MACC, conclusion will be that I'm wrong on my stuff for the most part.

At this point, I still think that we're mired in a style that precludes MACC. I hope that I'm incorrect.

I do think that discussing this point of view is fair and adds spice to this board...boring if we all hold the same opinion.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 5:38 PM
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Football is not nearly a game of math. It's a game of strategy.


which is why I'm so amazed, stunned...and argue back....when so many of you refuse to concede that there may be strategy alternatives to what we do.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 5:43 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Until we have proof on the field, some of us don't buy it. Some of us don't hold what the coaches say as inevitable truth.

The way that you won't even allow for the possib that Irons is the goods is not good call, not good critical thinking.
What he said - Joe Lowery and company opened up a hole the size of a driveway. Without them, Irons doesn't gain a yard and possibly fumbles. We have scored EVERYTIME they have been in. I think they should start and play on Saturday. We need to see what they can really do. If they don't produce fine. But at least we the fans will know.

If they end up not being as good as they appear to be on that limited sample, then don't play them. But we the fans need to find out. And it is time the coaches show us the players WE think should be out there.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 5:49 PM
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Oh, shut up.

Wanting to see what Irons can do is in no way a knock on AJ, has almost zero to do with him.

It could well be argued, contrary to what the coaches assert and you, of course buy 100%, that the best way to approach 'kron was to go heavy at their supposedly stout d-line. Maybe could've shown that our strong O-line was better than them and, with AJ and Irons, we could've had a much more points victory. Why should we concede to, cower against, their supposed strength--especially given that we consider our o-line to be stout.

But that's all speculation.

Until we have proof on the field, some of us don't buy it. Some of us don't hold what the coaches say as inevitable truth.

The way that you won't even allow for the possib that Irons is the goods is not good call, not good critical thinking.

The thing that is disingenuous about this, even offensive, is that if Ohio had done what you suggest, and had run play after play at the Akron defensive front, we all know who would have been the loudest protester about _UTM. You can't have it both ways.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 6:54 PM
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Totally incorrect.

You assume that the only possibs are UTM or no UTM.

There are other possibilities. One can run Up The Middle from formations and movements that we haven't used before. So, UTM but not as we rigidly do it.

Again, Ariz State did that to beat UCLA last week even though UCLA had dominant defensive lineman. Ariz attacked UTM with variety, with different angles and motion.


Sorry, but your comment is SO TYPICAL OF THE APOLOGISTS HERE. YOU SEE THE WAY THAT THE CURRENT COACHES DO IT....AND NO POSSIBILITY OF ANY OTHER WAY. Stop thinking so rigid conservatively.



I'll repeat what I've so said often. I can stand losing. I can't stand playing rigid football that doesn't employ such basic (non-extreme) stuff as two back sets, direct snap to fullback, hurry up offense, legit attempts at scoring on our last drive of the first half, etc, etc.


How come we get the ball to Heitzman early but not much more deeper into games?
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Posted: 10/7/2015 7:20 PM
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...How come we get the ball to Heitzman early but not much more deeper into games?

In the case of Akron, because they figured out they better cover him, and because Vick wasn't able to throw very well anymore.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 7:30 PM
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...How come we get the ball to Heitzman early but not much more deeper into games?

In the case of Akron, because they figured out they better cover him, and because Vick wasn't able to throw very well anymore.
And perhaps with the lead he became more valuable helping protect Vick.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:14 PM
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I've heard from those close to the program that Akron's DL was better than Minnesota's and is the best we've faced so far this season. I submit the strange concept that PERHAPS this knowledge helped inform the game plan that Frank & Co. came up with. Just a thought from a guy that never played a down of organized football.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 9:39 PM
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Irons' two carriers against Idaho are becoming the most infamous carries of the Solich era. How many pages and threads does Mr. Irons warrant? Kid looked talented however it's two carries against Idaho.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:37 PM
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I apologize for all the posts about Irons.

Someone, apparently who lives in Australia and is a big rugby fan, hijacked my ID on bobattack about 8 months ago and I've been so busy with work that I just found out about it late today.

Did I miss anything important?

Until someone in the MAC beats us, we have to be among the favorites to win the conference championship.
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Posted: 10/7/2015 10:41 PM
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I do wonder qbout the quality of what we're doing if we so readily have a weapon such as Heitzman taken away from us for so much of the game.

That just cannot happen. That's just letting the other side shut down one of our huge pieces. It's a defensive coach's perfect scenario. And, so, for an offensive coach its ....


Look, if you ain't gonna let me see what Irons has and you're going to let Heitzman be taken away from me, then maybe .....
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Posted: 10/7/2015 11:03 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
I do wonder qbout the quality of what we're doing if we so readily have a weapon such as Heitzman taken away from us for so much of the game.

That just cannot happen. That's just letting the other side shut down one of our huge pieces. It's a defensive coach's perfect scenario. And, so, for an offensive coach its ....


Look, if you ain't gonna let me see what Irons has and you're going to let Heitzman be taken away from me, then maybe .....
Oh no! Monroe's going to take his ball and go home.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 12:16 AM
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(Sniffs) is something burning in here?
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Posted: 10/8/2015 2:11 AM
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I do wonder qbout the quality of what we're doing if we so readily have a weapon such as Heitzman taken away from us for so much of the game.

That just cannot happen. That's just letting the other side shut down one of our huge pieces. It's a defensive coach's perfect scenario. And, so, for an offensive coach its ....


Look, if you ain't gonna let me see what Irons has and you're going to let Heitzman be taken away from me, then maybe .....
Oh no! Monroe's going to take his ball and go home.
My but that is an ass of a meaningless response.

Tell me how it's not legit to wonder about a team which allows the other side to take away two of it's favorite and most effective offense-side weapons.

Just because you don't like me doesn't mean that's not a genuine concern.

Beside your usual b.s. 'there's another team out there' answer it's legit to wonder if the better coaching staffs let this happen.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 6:56 AM
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Tell me how it's not legit to wonder about a team which allows the other side to take away two of it's favorite and most effective offense-side weapons.

It's gotta be the line. Can't open holes and can't protect to get Heitzmsn open. Why can't these people see that. When the second string line is in they open up holes the size of driveways. Without them we average 4.5 yards per carry from our running backs. With them Irons is averaging over 10 yards. We have scored EVERYTIME they have been in.

Opposing coaches won't take away any of our weapons if they are in. Gotta question why our coaches don't play them.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 9:10 AM
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It's gotta be the line. Can't open holes and can't protect to get Heitzmsn open. Why can't these people see that. When the second string line is in they open up holes the size of driveways. Without them we average 4.5 yards per carry from our running backs. With them Irons is averaging over 10 yards. We have scored EVERYTIME they have been in.

Opposing coaches won't take away any of our weapons if they are in. Gotta question why our coaches don't play them.

I know you're being sarcastic, but I do the linemen in the class of 2014 are going to be very good. That's why I don't expect the line to drop off much when Powell, Lucas, and McQueen are gone next year.
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In defense of Monroe and others, we aren't running the ball all that well right now. I think we're 9'th or 10'th in the MAC in run offense and our top two backs are at 4.1 and 5'ish YPC. That's not going to land anybody on an All-MAC team.

That said, we're not going to see any Akron-type defenses until we meet up with Kent in November. So Daz, AJ and Papi may make us forget about Irons over the next four weeks.

cc-cat wrote:expand_more
When the second string line is in they open up holes the size of driveways. Without them we average 4.5 yards per carry from our running backs. With them Irons is averaging over 10 yards. We have scored EVERYTIME they have been in.
Unfortunately it was the first string line that did the work for Irons.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/video?gameId=400787302
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Oh, shut up.

Wanting to see what Irons can do is in no way a knock on AJ, has almost zero to do with him.

It could well be argued, contrary to what the coaches assert and you, of course buy 100%, that the best way to approach 'kron was to go heavy at their supposedly stout d-line. Maybe could've shown that our strong O-line was better than them and, with AJ and Irons, we could've had a much more points victory. Why should we concede to, cower against, their supposed strength--especially given that we consider our o-line to be stout.

But that's all speculation.

Until we have proof on the field, some of us don't buy it. Some of us don't hold what the coaches say as inevitable truth.

The way that you won't even allow for the possib that Irons is the goods is not good call, not good critical thinking.
Monroe, Akron's defensive front was better than our guys, they are good. And running the football is a game of mathematics. Something as a CPA you should understand. And yes, inserting another back into the mix (when nothing is wrong) does take away from the reps and rhythm of the other guys. At this rate we could win the MACC, go to a great Bowl game, and you'd find something trivial to bitch about like no shuttle bus from the hotel.
Potential Shuttle Bus Complaint, You accidently threw OCF under the Shuttle Bus when responding to Monroe Slavin, CPA.
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Oh, shut up.

Wanting to see what Irons can do is in no way a knock on AJ, has almost zero to do with him.

It could well be argued, contrary to what the coaches assert and you, of course buy 100%, that the best way to approach 'kron was to go heavy at their supposedly stout d-line. Maybe could've shown that our strong O-line was better than them and, with AJ and Irons, we could've had a much more points victory. Why should we concede to, cower against, their supposed strength--especially given that we consider our o-line to be stout.

But that's all speculation.

Until we have proof on the field, some of us don't buy it. Some of us don't hold what the coaches say as inevitable truth.

The way that you won't even allow for the possib that Irons is the goods is not good call, not good critical thinking.
Monroe, Akron's defensive front was better than our guys, they are good. And running the football is a game of mathematics. Something as a CPA you should understand. And yes, inserting another back into the mix (when nothing is wrong) does take away from the reps and rhythm of the other guys. At this rate we could win the MACC, go to a great Bowl game, and you'd find something trivial to bitch about like no shuttle bus from the hotel.
Potential Shuttle Bus Complaint, You accidently threw OCF under the Shuttle Bus when responding to Monroe Slavin, CPA.
86, though I did not mean to actually bring OCF into the oncoming bus, it was more a point of having to find something to complain about. And unfortunately, that may be my favorite of all time. Sorry OCF ;-)
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Posted: 10/8/2015 3:32 PM
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Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
I do wonder qbout the quality of what we're doing if we so readily have a weapon such as Heitzman taken away from us for so much of the game.

That just cannot happen. That's just letting the other side shut down one of our huge pieces. It's a defensive coach's perfect scenario. And, so, for an offensive coach its ....


Look, if you ain't gonna let me see what Irons has and you're going to let Heitzman be taken away from me, then maybe .....
Oh no! Monroe's going to take his ball and go home.
My but that is an ass of a meaningless response.

Tell me how it's not legit to wonder about a team which allows the other side to take away two of it's favorite and most effective offense-side weapons.

Just because you don't like me doesn't mean that's not a genuine concern.

Beside your usual b.s. 'there's another team out there' answer it's legit to wonder if the better coaching staffs let this happen.
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Posted: 10/8/2015 3:35 PM
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(Sniffs) is something burning in here?

I thought that was supposed to happen after an Akron win?
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