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That is Ohio's record against the top 5 MAC teams from each season (just choosing the five teams with the best conference records for that year) since 2012. The average loss of those games is 21.3 points.

2012
Kent - Lost 28-6 (-22)
Ball State - Lost 52-27 (-25)
Bowling Green - Lost 26-14 (12)

2013
CMU - Lost 26-23 (-3)
Buffalo - Lost 30-3 (-27)
Bowling Green - Lost 49-0 (-49)

2014
CMU - Lost 28-10 (-18)
Bowling Green - Lost 31-13 (-18)
WMU - Lost 42-21 (-19)
NIU - Lost 21-14 (-7)

2015
WMU - Lost 49-14 (-35)


EDIT: I really like this team and I hope I'll be able to add to this list a defeat of BG and/or NIU.

Here are my thoughts on how this happened (Ohio is no longer a top MAC program) and how it could be fixed:

Programs like BGSU, WMU and Toledo I think are really elevating the overall level of play in the conference. And most importantly they are doing so by scoring lots of points and fielding teams with BCS-level talent on the offensive side of the ball.

Yesterday we got shredded by a team filled with 3 and 4 star players, many of whom are sophomores or younger. Bogan, Davis, Bellamy, Franklin were are all 3 stars or better coming out of HS. Sometimes that matters, sometimes it doesn't. In this case, Fleck is getting guys that are living up to that billing.

Gone are the days when we could field a good defense, play "efficient" offensively and expect to will our way to a MACC game. Its not going to happen.

Solich and Co. (and perhaps some on this message board) need to adjust their expectation of what it looks like to be successful in this conference. Its a new era and there needs to be some post-Troy State like soul searching if we are ever to be a "player" in this conference again.

That said, who knows what capitulations we would need to make to be competitive with the Big Boys. Perhaps Solich Ball is good enough for us...as we can at least be proud we run a good clean program that still beats up on the bottom 2/3 of the conference.

In 2012 OHIO beat an 8 win Penn State team.

In 2013 OHIO beat a 10 win Marshall team.

Make these conference distinctions all you want, but if a team doesn't win their division, their conference record is quite literally meaningless. There's no prize for coming 2nd in the division. There's no prize for beating the "top teams in the division".

You're literally creating a post for the sole purpose of making yourself unhappy.

If you want to take a hard look at beating good teams, OHIO beat good teams in 2012 and 2013.

We have had moments, we need consistency. Go Cats

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it's time to pause and reflect." -- Mark Twain

Toledo is 1st Rushing Offense, 3rd Rushing Defense.

Also since "Defense Wins Championships," Toledo is #1 Scoring Defense.

Strange given the Western game #2 Scoring Defense is "Ohio."

This is the trend that has me the most concerned. While Ohio has some nice OOC wins, their recent record against the elite of the MAC is abysmal, and the trend is now in its 4th year. While even I get bored with Monroe's constant drumbeat of a lack of a MACC, I think his point and what Paul is stating in this thread are very accurate. I love what Coach Solich has done for the program but I am questioning whether he can get the program over the hurdle. Is he the "Marty Schottenheimer" of college football?

This post is completely valid. As I said in the prediction thread, the Western game was where we'd either be revealed to be a good team or exposed. We were exposed, and we have been by the top half of the MAC for three straight years. I lived through the 1-win seasons as a student so I know terrible football, but I'm officially tired of 6-7 win seasons that include FCS teams and a handful of the worst teams in FBS. This season is shaping up as another now that the team is dinged up and shell shocked. I see one or two more wins at the most left on this schedule. Another year of mediocrity.

You're ignoring the title of this post. We have an extensive body of work that demonstrates Ohio football has measured up poorly with the top tier of our conference for three years. You can keep apologizing or talking about beating Marshall, but until we're beating good MAC teams, we'll keep blazing out to phony 4-2 or 5-1 starts before settling in to another middling MAC season.

Imagine if our basketball team didn't beat a single decent conference team for three straight years. We would all demand change. I don't know why anyone defends the putrid record against good MAC teams that Paul has accurately outlined above.

Five and two is the record I expected at this point. Was anyone seriously expecting better? Next thing is to get rid of the bad taste of the Western loss. To do so you need to be looking ahead, not backward. Buffalo needs to be the focus. There are some very proud young men on the Ohio O & D lines. I expect them to respond well and for Buffalo to taste better than Bronco.

This board is hilarious some times. A week ago, there were people on this board predicting we'd beat Western by one, two and maybe even three scores. Those same people are now more or less "OK" with a 35-point butt-kicking.

It's even more hilarious that that same group continues to argue with the group who thinks things need to be changed at some level. The people who want changes more or less keep copying and pasting what they wrote the previous week.

Just come join the middle where it's less stressful. A lot of you would probably be better off.

I forgot why message boards were so entertaining.

Thanks, everyone.

Maybe OK isn't the correct term. Where's my journalism majors at? Is it apathy? Maybe that's it. A "lack of concern" for a 35 point beatdown? Sure, let's go with that.

I don't necessarily see the season as lost either, L.C. I just think it's an interesting dynamic of this board. I am interested to see how they bounce back, too. It's hard to get up off the mat after getting beat like that. Like after the 2013 Buffalo-BG games. Just don't follow it up with another egg.