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Posted: 10/23/2015 7:29 AM
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The program in its current state is not an elite one in the MAC. It is a consistent one, though. We've settled into what I like to call us the VT of the MAC. Frank Beamer built a great program, and they are pretty good year in and year out. They just aren't great. They have a good fan base, good attendance, and make their bowl game every year. The question is it worth risking that consistency to try and achieve the next step? Are sounding like Nebraska fans just before they let Solich go?
Frank is not going to be fired but he's only under contract through 2016. This year is very important. If he wins the East or a bowl he's got grounds for a 2 year extension if he wants it. There is a good possibility he doesn't even want an extension. I'd think he'd like to leave the program on as high as ground as possible before exiting. Academic Center in construction by next year. A couple more recruiting classes with an IPF. A few more cracks at a MAC Championship. 77 wins in Athens and he could get to 100. Solich is a near term strategy for the program. Solich is making 600k. The Top 15 paid G5 coaches in salary start at 1 million and going up from there. By the time Frank goes I think we'll be looking at 1 million for the next head coach or close to it. The realization is that Frank is no longer building the program as much servicing the program with intangibles such as his tenure at the school and stability before absorbing the inevitable expense of a new market rate coach.
Above you attributed a quote to me. It was not. Thanks.
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Posted: 10/23/2015 11:21 AM
Frank will retire when he want to, unless he develops a health issue that forces an earlier retirement. Nothing said on this board will have an effect one way or another on a contract renewal, which is likely to occur at the end of this season. Sorry if this bursts any bubbles.
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Posted: 10/23/2015 11:47 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Solich is making 600k. The Top 15 paid G5 coaches in salary start at 1 million and going up from there. By the time Frank goes I think we'll be looking at 1 million for the next head coach or close to it.
Color me stunned if we pay a coach as much or more than Frank to come in here and coach. We got lucky to find a coach in Frank's situation the first time....a former successful BCS coach, cast aside, with Ohio roots, on the back half of his career looking to land a job that would provide stability with not insane expectations.....

Talk about lightning in a bottle...

When Frank hangs it up....we'll end up with a young up-and-comer is my guess....and one that they will be able to pay far less than 600K a year.

MAC Football is totally different than MAC basketball....the pipe dream of building a nationally relevant basketball program in the MAC right away is a lot more realistic than doing it in football. This league (outside of NIU) has failed to have a program with sustained success/relevance over the long haul....which I think makes it hard for a school with a limited budget to make a serious investment in football. There's a ceiling in the MAC....barring a unbeaten/everything falls into place season where you break into a G5 New Year's Day Bowl game.....you are GoDaddy bound.

Can't wait to see 12-0 Toledo vs. 7-5 Sun Belt champ. Joke.
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Posted: 10/23/2015 1:11 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Solich is making 600k. The Top 15 paid G5 coaches in salary start at 1 million and going up from there. By the time Frank goes I think we'll be looking at 1 million for the next head coach or close to it.
Color me stunned if we pay a coach as much or more than Frank to come in here and coach. We got lucky to find a coach in Frank's situation the first time....a former successful BCS coach, cast aside, with Ohio roots, on the back half of his career looking to land a job that would provide stability with not insane expectations.....

Talk about lightning in a bottle...

When Frank hangs it up....we'll end up with a young up-and-comer is my guess....and one that they will be able to pay far less than 600K a year.

MAC Football is totally different than MAC basketball....the pipe dream of building a nationally relevant basketball program in the MAC right away is a lot more realistic than doing it in football. This league (outside of NIU) has failed to have a program with sustained success/relevance over the long haul....which I think makes it hard for a school with a limited budget to make a serious investment in football. There's a ceiling in the MAC....barring a unbeaten/everything falls into place season where you break into a G5 New Year's Day Bowl game.....you are GoDaddy bound.

Can't wait to see 12-0 Toledo vs. 7-5 Sun Belt champ. Joke.

You mean we will hire a young up and comer and lower the salary, kind of like we did with Basketball???? ;-)
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Posted: 10/23/2015 9:48 PM
I know this probably sounds batty; save some money, pay the next coach under $400k and let him live rent free in the President's House.
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Posted: 10/23/2015 11:42 PM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
I know this probably sounds batty; save some money, pay the next coach under $400k and let him live rent free in the President's House.
I'll do it for a dorm room (single, attached bathroom), a meal plan, 100k, and tenure in my department of choice. A bargain at twice the price!
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Posted: 10/24/2015 11:04 AM
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You mean we will hire a young up and comer and lower the salary, kind of like we did with Basketball???? ;-)
No...that was my point. Basketball can afford to go out and pay an established guy (like Saul)....it's more realistic to build a long term, successfully nationally relevant program at the MAC level in hoops than it is to build one in football. NCAA tourneys are there for the taking EVERY year, no matter what. In football you need a near miracle to have a prayer of competing with the "big boys" any year, let alone every year in the MAC.
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Posted: 11/5/2015 7:59 AM
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I'll repeat my message from another thread: Every year we read about how Frank travels around to learn from other coaching staffs. He's willing to question how our guys prepare for games, condition, eat...you name it. But he'll never question the performance of his assistants. The folks at BG, NIU, WMU, CMU and even Kent must be hugely grateful for Frank's loyalty to Tim Albin. And if you were the father of an elite high school QB, would you send your son to play in this system?

"Pitt, Penn State, Marshall, ULM, the system is fine when the players are whole and healthy."
Are these four wins what we're hanging our hat on? Yes, they were good wins, and for our program they were major steps forward, but let's be somewhat realistic. Pitt was a mess that season under Wannstedt (5-6), Penn St. was a terrible mess when we played them, and we beat a second-place team from the Sun Belt playing in their first bowl game. The Marshall wins I will give you as very good, but still....CUSA.

If the discussion is just about whether it's a good program or not, or would we rather have our current situation than the way it used to be then it's an easy debate. If the topic is "Becoming the next Boise State", however, then I think we have to question the progress this program has made the last few years. It's clearly not progressing. Simply making bowl games these days is not a great measure of accomplishment when every program over .500 does the same.

Ohio's record for the second half of the season the past six years. It's not trending in our favor, and you can almost sense what is on the horizon for the back half of this season. It seems to be injuries getting to us every year, but can we blame that every season? Where is the depth?

2009: 5-1
2010: 5-1
2011: 5-1
2012: 2-4
2013: 3-3
2014: 3-3

The program in its current state is not an elite one in the MAC. It is a consistent one, though. We've settled into what I like to call us the VT of the MAC. Frank Beamer built a great program, and they are pretty good year in and year out. They just aren't great. They have a good fan base, good attendance, and make their bowl game every year. The question is it worth risking that consistency to try and achieve the next step? Are sounding like Nebraska fans just before they let Solich go?
I'm going to go ahead and update this table with 2015 figures to date:

2009: 5-1
2010: 5-1
2011: 5-1
2012: 2-4
2013: 3-3
2014: 3-3
2015: 0-3
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