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I had the good fortune of connecting wyith Solich by phone, letter and in person. The latter came to be when he invited me to spend a full day with him and his staff discussing leadership. He organized the day splendidly. For two sessions with his staff he positioned me at the head of the table. He positioned himself in a chair in the corner behind me. He also had me meet with two professors he had recruited to advise on other matters. During our second one and one at day's end he said, "From now on you are a member of the team." He was - is - easy to like and respect.
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Kind of a funny story. My wife and I have been fairly generous when it comes to fundraising for the football program. I was told many times by an AD staffer that "Tim is so appreciative of your continued support. He really wants you to come down to Athens for lunch sometime or look you up when he comes to Columbus."

Since then I've introduced myself to him 2-3 times at Bobcat Club events, etc. Each time he responded, "I don't know the name. Have we met before?"

My wife periodically gets in a dig by calling me "Mr. Have We Met Before."
That is a good story. Your name is pretty memorable IMO.
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I could be wrong, but that is probably his best choice. Even if the AD makes him an offer, she probably won't make it quickly, and it would probably be a short term deal like the one she gave to Albin. I like the entire coaching staff, and I hope they are all able to find new positions. In a situation like this, they need to act fast, and take any good openings they can find, before they end up out of work.
I keep hearing this term, short term deal. Albin was extended for two years in 2022 through 2026, so he had a four-year deal with rollover clauses. He signed a five-year deal at Charlotte. Now, I personally think Albin had 100% earned the extra year (maybe even more!) and some better terms, but that’s a matter of opinion. I just think it’s odd that a four-year deal is short term and a five-year deal is long term.
They ultimately did offer him a five-year deal at equivalent money. It was just too late. I can't believe we maneuvered ourselves into this situation. We had a great coach who loved Athens. Treat him with respect and he's here for the long haul.
That’s exactly what happened with Albin.
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I could be wrong, but that is probably his best choice. Even if the AD makes him an offer, she probably won't make it quickly, and it would probably be a short term deal like the one she gave to Albin. I like the entire coaching staff, and I hope they are all able to find new positions. In a situation like this, they need to act fast, and take any good openings they can find, before they end up out of work.
I keep hearing this term, short term deal. Albin was extended for two years in 2022 through 2026, so he had a four-year deal with rollover clauses. He signed a five-year deal at Charlotte. Now, I personally think Albin had 100% earned the extra year (maybe even more!) and some better terms, but that’s a matter of opinion. I just think it’s odd that a four-year deal is short term and a five-year deal is long term.
They ultimately did offer him a five-year deal at equivalent money. It was just too late. I can't believe we maneuvered ourselves into this situation. We had a great coach who loved Athens. Treat him with respect and he's here for the long haul.
That’s exactly what happened with Albin.
And while his dog was sick, no less.

Curious, since you obviously just came here to defend him and have some sort of info, what was so disrespectful? If he ended up with an offer, it must have been how we got to that point. What was Albin asking for, what were we offering, and what was the timeline?
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Kind of a funny story. My wife and I have been fairly generous when it comes to fundraising for the football program. I was told many times by an AD staffer that "Tim is so appreciative of your continued support. He really wants you to come down to Athens for lunch sometime or look you up when he comes to Columbus."

Since then I've introduced myself to him 2-3 times at Bobcat Club events, etc. Each time he responded, "I don't know the name. Have we met before?"

My wife periodically gets in a dig by calling me "Mr. Have We Met Before."
That is a good story. Your name is pretty memorable IMO.
I am not at all pleased with how this all transpired but I must say that I never found Tim Albin to be aloof or standoffish. He would usually seek me out to thank me for what I do and have done for different programs. I hate to see him leave but understand adult matters.
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We’ll find out if he’s a great coach. Because he’s signed up for a Heisman Mode rebuild.

I already don’t care about the drama. We got dumped. Let’s hire the right guy and make this a blip in the continued success of the program.
100%. He's gone. Saw Albin a couple times at Bobcat Club events. He was basically an aloof, arrogant jackass while Coach Boals visited every table and thanked everyone for coming. Good riddance.
Come on, man. Another possibility is that he's just a bad schmoozer, no? I'm perfectly willing to throw Albin under the bus - the one he got off of to save his sick doggie - but he definitely came across as a D-level speaker at the best of times.

You know, "taking your sick dog to the hospital" should replace "TOS to" for future coach opening discussions.
Not being a good schmoozer is one thing but he was an arrogant jerk who basically ignored everyone aside from his buddies. Coach Boals runs circles around him in that department.
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Not my experience at all with Tim. I met him multiple times and he was always was gracious and acted like he was glad to talk with me. I know how some of his former players feel about him from when he was a position coach and they love the guy.
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Smith confirms to The Post he is seeking the HC job. Per Robert Keegan’s X:

"I will definitely pursue it. I love being in Athens, and I love this team."
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Ok, so I'm am believing 100% in how these negotiations happened, but explain to me like I’m five.

Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.

The question is: At what point would the final offer have not been disrespectful? One day earlier? A week? A month?

Just my opinion, but as the season went along and the team was getting hot…like it tended to do under Albin when it was healthy, I think that was the time to make contact. Say the Toledo game. Definitely Ball State.

Anyway, was the beginning of negotiations disrespectful, the end, or just the entire process?
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We’ll find out if he’s a great coach. Because he’s signed up for a Heisman Mode rebuild.

I already don’t care about the drama. We got dumped. Let’s hire the right guy and make this a blip in the continued success of the program.
Goodness, you’d think charlotte was 0-12. Its wasn’t. If he can keep the nucleus of the team and if they really have 10x our NIL, they’ll do okay. They had 28 transfer in last year, many from p-4. If Albin can evaluate talent like last year, it may not be as ugly as some think. On the other hand , it could be like his first year here only for different reasons,
First text I got from a reporter friend in North Carolina:

“He left you for that nothing program? He couldn’t do better than THAT? You guys having money problems?”
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We’ll find out if he’s a great coach. Because he’s signed up for a Heisman Mode rebuild.

I already don’t care about the drama. We got dumped. Let’s hire the right guy and make this a blip in the continued success of the program.
100%. He's gone. Saw Albin a couple times at Bobcat Club events. He was basically an aloof, arrogant jackass while Coach Boals visited every table and thanked everyone for coming. Good riddance.
For this I don’t judge him. I’m an aloof jackass in public, too. And I know it’s because probably three different social anxieties are working doubletime in my head. I recognize the teethgrating Tim Albin is doing while trying to communicate because I do the same myself. Then get me in a small group of people I know and I’m quite lovely. I sympathize. But I also don’t make a million dollars and represent an institution of higher learning. It’s just my wife that has to apologize for me looking like a man who is scratching his arm off at the bar association Christmas party.
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Ok, so I'm am believing 100% in how these negotiations happened, but explain to me like I’m five.

Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.

The question is: At what point would the final offer have not been disrespectful? One day earlier? A week? A month?

Just my opinion, but as the season went along and the team was getting hot…like it tended to do under Albin when it was healthy, I think that was the time to make contact. Say the Toledo game. Definitely Ball State.

Anyway, was the beginning of negotiations disrespectful, the end, or just the entire process?
This is stupid. Were 6 weeks removed from an absolute shitburger at Miami and 8 weeks removed from the entire defense literally quitting at Kentucky. If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers. Getting to the MAC Title game when the conference is less valuable than the Hawk Tuah coin is not a badge of honor. I'll fault Cromer and Gonzalez all day long for their faults, but not making a huge commitment to Albin when he wasn't putting a great product on the field for half the season is not something I'm going to lose sleep over. I think it's embarassing we let Charlotte think they are on (or above) our level, but other than that - time to move on and good riddance. I don't care whether the dog made it or didn't make it or whether Timmy stopped the bus in Upper Sandusky or Bucyrus. Go get the right Head Coach and start trying to improve the program. Just because we won the tallest midget contest doesn't make us a legitimate program.
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Ok, so I'm am believing 100% in how these negotiations happened, but explain to me like I’m five.

Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.

The question is: At what point would the final offer have not been disrespectful? One day earlier? A week? A month?

Just my opinion, but as the season went along and the team was getting hot…like it tended to do under Albin when it was healthy, I think that was the time to make contact. Say the Toledo game. Definitely Ball State.

Anyway, was the beginning of negotiations disrespectful, the end, or just the entire process?
This is stupid. Were 6 weeks removed from an absolute shitburger at Miami and 8 weeks removed from the entire defense literally quitting at Kentucky. If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers. Getting to the MAC Title game when the conference is less valuable than the Hawk Tuah coin is not a badge of honor. I'll fault Cromer and Gonzalez all day long for their faults, but not making a huge commitment to Albin when he wasn't putting a great product on the field for half the season is not something I'm going to lose sleep over. I think it's embarassing we let Charlotte think they are on (or above) our level, but other than that - time to move on and good riddance. I don't care whether the dog made it or didn't make it or whether Timmy stopped the bus in Upper Sandusky or Bucyrus. Go get the right Head Coach and start trying to improve the program. Just because we won the tallest midget contest doesn't make us a legitimate program.
Personally, I hope his dog didn't die. Just me.
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Ok, so I'm am believing 100% in how these negotiations happened, but explain to me like I’m five.

Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.

The question is: At what point would the final offer have not been disrespectful? One day earlier? A week? A month?

Just my opinion, but as the season went along and the team was getting hot…like it tended to do under Albin when it was healthy, I think that was the time to make contact. Say the Toledo game. Definitely Ball State.

Anyway, was the beginning of negotiations disrespectful, the end, or just the entire process?
This is stupid. Were 6 weeks removed from an absolute shitburger at Miami and 8 weeks removed from the entire defense literally quitting at Kentucky. If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers. Getting to the MAC Title game when the conference is less valuable than the Hawk Tuah coin is not a badge of honor. I'll fault Cromer and Gonzalez all day long for their faults, but not making a huge commitment to Albin when he wasn't putting a great product on the field for half the season is not something I'm going to lose sleep over. I think it's embarassing we let Charlotte think they are on (or above) our level, but other than that - time to move on and good riddance. I don't care whether the dog made it or didn't make it or whether Timmy stopped the bus in Upper Sandusky or Bucyrus. Go get the right Head Coach and start trying to improve the program. Just because we won the tallest midget contest doesn't make us a legitimate program.
No you offer the guy an extension before the MAC title game so if he wins the MAC the school picks up a larger buyout if he moves on. I get being Julie being initally cautious about TA as a backfill for Solich and after that 3-9 season but he was due with a 9-3 regular season and MACC berth. He didn't get anything after last season and he also didn't make the MACC.
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Ok, so I'm am believing 100% in how these negotiations happened, but explain to me like I’m five.

Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.

The question is: At what point would the final offer have not been disrespectful? One day earlier? A week? A month?

Just my opinion, but as the season went along and the team was getting hot…like it tended to do under Albin when it was healthy, I think that was the time to make contact. Say the Toledo game. Definitely Ball State.

Anyway, was the beginning of negotiations disrespectful, the end, or just the entire process?
This is stupid. Were 6 weeks removed from an absolute shitburger at Miami and 8 weeks removed from the entire defense literally quitting at Kentucky. If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers. Getting to the MAC Title game when the conference is less valuable than the Hawk Tuah coin is not a badge of honor. I'll fault Cromer and Gonzalez all day long for their faults, but not making a huge commitment to Albin when he wasn't putting a great product on the field for half the season is not something I'm going to lose sleep over. I think it's embarassing we let Charlotte think they are on (or above) our level, but other than that - time to move on and good riddance. I don't care whether the dog made it or didn't make it or whether Timmy stopped the bus in Upper Sandusky or Bucyrus. Go get the right Head Coach and start trying to improve the program. Just because we won the tallest midget contest doesn't make us a legitimate program.
No you offer the guy an extension before the MAC title game so if he wins the MAC the school picks up a larger buyout if he moves on. I get being Julie being initally cautious about TA as a backfill for Solich and after that 3-9 season but he was due with a 9-3 regular season and MACC berth. He didn't get anything after last season and he also didn't make the MACC.
Your scenario (9-3 regular season) implies a week-long negotiation. Was he disrespected the negotiations took a week, including Thanksgiving weekend? So let’s assume Monday to Friday? Would Thursday have been better to have received the final offer that met his demands? Or was that late, too? Or was there a longer timeline?
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Ok, so I'm am believing 100% in how these negotiations happened, but explain to me like I’m five.

Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.

The question is: At what point would the final offer have not been disrespectful? One day earlier? A week? A month?

Just my opinion, but as the season went along and the team was getting hot…like it tended to do under Albin when it was healthy, I think that was the time to make contact. Say the Toledo game. Definitely Ball State.

Anyway, was the beginning of negotiations disrespectful, the end, or just the entire process?
This is stupid. Were 6 weeks removed from an absolute shitburger at Miami and 8 weeks removed from the entire defense literally quitting at Kentucky. If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers. Getting to the MAC Title game when the conference is less valuable than the Hawk Tuah coin is not a badge of honor. I'll fault Cromer and Gonzalez all day long for their faults, but not making a huge commitment to Albin when he wasn't putting a great product on the field for half the season is not something I'm going to lose sleep over. I think it's embarassing we let Charlotte think they are on (or above) our level, but other than that - time to move on and good riddance. I don't care whether the dog made it or didn't make it or whether Timmy stopped the bus in Upper Sandusky or Bucyrus. Go get the right Head Coach and start trying to improve the program. Just because we won the tallest midget contest doesn't make us a legitimate program.
No you offer the guy an extension before the MAC title game so if he wins the MAC the school picks up a larger buyout if he moves on. I get being Julie being initally cautious about TA as a backfill for Solich and after that 3-9 season but he was due with a 9-3 regular season and MACC berth. He didn't get anything after last season and he also didn't make the MACC.
SBH said they did offer him an extention before the MAC Title Game. I'm saying I don't even think he was entitled to one before the MAC Title Game. The product was not great. Everyone knows it. We had one good regular season win this year - Toledo at Toledo. Everything else was borscht.
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Ok, so I'm am believing 100% in how these negotiations happened, but explain to me like I’m five.

Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.

The question is: At what point would the final offer have not been disrespectful? One day earlier? A week? A month?

Just my opinion, but as the season went along and the team was getting hot…like it tended to do under Albin when it was healthy, I think that was the time to make contact. Say the Toledo game. Definitely Ball State.

Anyway, was the beginning of negotiations disrespectful, the end, or just the entire process?
This is stupid. Were 6 weeks removed from an absolute shitburger at Miami and 8 weeks removed from the entire defense literally quitting at Kentucky. If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers. Getting to the MAC Title game when the conference is less valuable than the Hawk Tuah coin is not a badge of honor. I'll fault Cromer and Gonzalez all day long for their faults, but not making a huge commitment to Albin when he wasn't putting a great product on the field for half the season is not something I'm going to lose sleep over. I think it's embarassing we let Charlotte think they are on (or above) our level, but other than that - time to move on and good riddance. I don't care whether the dog made it or didn't make it or whether Timmy stopped the bus in Upper Sandusky or Bucyrus. Go get the right Head Coach and start trying to improve the program. Just because we won the tallest midget contest doesn't make us a legitimate program.
No you offer the guy an extension before the MAC title game so if he wins the MAC the school picks up a larger buyout if he moves on. I get being Julie being initally cautious about TA as a backfill for Solich and after that 3-9 season but he was due with a 9-3 regular season and MACC berth. He didn't get anything after last season and he also didn't make the MACC.
SBH said they did offer him an extention before the MAC Title Game. I'm saying I don't even think he was entitled to one before the MAC Title Game. The product was not great. Everyone knows it. We had one good regular season win this year - Toledo at Toledo. Everything else was borscht.
I know what you're saying. I don't agree though after lighting it up in November. Its like the equivalent of going undefeated in MAC basketball play in February and entering a 2 seed for the MAC tournament.
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Ok, so I'm am believing 100% in how these negotiations happened, but explain to me like I’m five.

Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.

The question is: At what point would the final offer have not been disrespectful? One day earlier? A week? A month?

Just my opinion, but as the season went along and the team was getting hot…like it tended to do under Albin when it was healthy, I think that was the time to make contact. Say the Toledo game. Definitely Ball State.

Anyway, was the beginning of negotiations disrespectful, the end, or just the entire process?
This is stupid. Were 6 weeks removed from an absolute shitburger at Miami and 8 weeks removed from the entire defense literally quitting at Kentucky. If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers. Getting to the MAC Title game when the conference is less valuable than the Hawk Tuah coin is not a badge of honor. I'll fault Cromer and Gonzalez all day long for their faults, but not making a huge commitment to Albin when he wasn't putting a great product on the field for half the season is not something I'm going to lose sleep over. I think it's embarassing we let Charlotte think they are on (or above) our level, but other than that - time to move on and good riddance. I don't care whether the dog made it or didn't make it or whether Timmy stopped the bus in Upper Sandusky or Bucyrus. Go get the right Head Coach and start trying to improve the program. Just because we won the tallest midget contest doesn't make us a legitimate program.
No you offer the guy an extension before the MAC title game so if he wins the MAC the school picks up a larger buyout if he moves on. I get being Julie being initally cautious about TA as a backfill for Solich and after that 3-9 season but he was due with a 9-3 regular season and MACC berth. He didn't get anything after last season and he also didn't make the MACC.
Your scenario (9-3 regular season) implies a week-long negotiation. Was he disrespected the negotiations took a week, including Thanksgiving weekend? So let’s assume Monday to Friday? Would Thursday have been better to have received the final offer that met his demands? Or was that late, too? Or was there a longer timeline?
They should have emailed him the extention on Friday the night after the Ball State win. If he didn't win that game I do think it makes a big difference because he's just another 8-4 coach at that point and usually its not a ticket out of the MAC though it might be for a place like Charlotte.
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Ok, so I'm am believing 100% in how these negotiations happened, but explain to me like I’m five.

Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.

The question is: At what point would the final offer have not been disrespectful? One day earlier? A week? A month?

Just my opinion, but as the season went along and the team was getting hot…like it tended to do under Albin when it was healthy, I think that was the time to make contact. Say the Toledo game. Definitely Ball State.

Anyway, was the beginning of negotiations disrespectful, the end, or just the entire process?
This is stupid. Were 6 weeks removed from an absolute shitburger at Miami and 8 weeks removed from the entire defense literally quitting at Kentucky. If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers. Getting to the MAC Title game when the conference is less valuable than the Hawk Tuah coin is not a badge of honor. I'll fault Cromer and Gonzalez all day long for their faults, but not making a huge commitment to Albin when he wasn't putting a great product on the field for half the season is not something I'm going to lose sleep over. I think it's embarassing we let Charlotte think they are on (or above) our level, but other than that - time to move on and good riddance. I don't care whether the dog made it or didn't make it or whether Timmy stopped the bus in Upper Sandusky or Bucyrus. Go get the right Head Coach and start trying to improve the program. Just because we won the tallest midget contest doesn't make us a legitimate program.
No you offer the guy an extension before the MAC title game so if he wins the MAC the school picks up a larger buyout if he moves on. I get being Julie being initally cautious about TA as a backfill for Solich and after that 3-9 season but he was due with a 9-3 regular season and MACC berth. He didn't get anything after last season and he also didn't make the MACC.
Your scenario (9-3 regular season) implies a week-long negotiation. Was he disrespected the negotiations took a week, including Thanksgiving weekend? So let’s assume Monday to Friday? Would Thursday have been better to have received the final offer that met his demands? Or was that late, too? Or was there a longer timeline?
They should have emailed him the extention on Friday the night after the Ball State win. If he didn't win that game I do think it makes a big difference because he's just another 8-4 coach at that point and usually its not a ticket out of the MAC though it might be for a place like Charlotte.
If they did, and it wasn't he wanted, was that offensive? If they didn't, and Charlotte contacted him first, was that offensive?

I'm really just trying to figure out at what point things became so contentious, seeing as he pretty much eventually received his demands, or at least most of them, and that was three days before his Charlotte presser.
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... If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, though not one person here expected Ohio to even be in the title game. In the end, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that someone else believed he deserved a big raise, and gave it to him. Now we can move on. Only time can tell whether Cromer's decisions were good or not.

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...SBH said they did offer him an extention before the MAC Title Game. ..

Could you tell me where that is? I have been able to find several posts that imply that the offer was made after the game, but none that imply that was made before the game:
1. Earlier in this thread SBH said "They ultimately did offer him a five-year deal at equivalent money. It was just too late.' That implies to me that the offer was made after Albin had already accepted the other offer. That implies after the game, or very shortly before it.
2. In the "Albin's post game press conference" thread, SBH says that he believes Tim didn't get the Ohio offer until after the press conference.
3. In the game thread, on page 6, bobcatsquared says "Word from the motor city is that TA has been or will be offered a raise to $1.1m/yr." That implies that the offer was being made because of the impressive win, and that it was not made prior to the game.

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Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.
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I believe the offer came after the game, based on the evidence above. Do you have evidence otherwise?
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We’ll find out if he’s a great coach. Because he’s signed up for a Heisman Mode rebuild.

I already don’t care about the drama. We got dumped. Let’s hire the right guy and make this a blip in the continued success of the program.
100%. He's gone. Saw Albin a couple times at Bobcat Club events. He was basically an aloof, arrogant jackass while Coach Boals visited every table and thanked everyone for coming. Good riddance.
Come on, man. Another possibility is that he's just a bad schmoozer, no? I'm perfectly willing to throw Albin under the bus - the one he got off of to save his sick doggie - but he definitely came across as a D-level speaker at the best of times.

You know, "taking your sick dog to the hospital" should replace "TOS to" for future coach opening discussions.
Not being a good schmoozer is one thing but he was an arrogant jerk who basically ignored everyone aside from his buddies. Coach Boals runs circles around him in that department.
As a friend of both, you are a clown.
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I had great experiences with Solich, including in the AD's booth at Kent State during Albin's second year. His wife was with us and was telling him what he could and could not eat. When she left to use the restroom, he had me watch the door so he could eat fistfuls of caramel corn.

Boals remembers peoples' names. Very approachable and appreciative of any support.
That is definitely Frank and Pam.
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
... If Albin thought he deserved a huge raise before the MAC Championship game, he's bonkers.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, though not one person here expected Ohio to even be in the title game. In the end, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that someone else believed he deserved a big raise, and gave it to him. Now we can move on. Only time can tell whether Cromer's decisions were good or not.

...SBH said they did offer him an extention before the MAC Title Game. ..

Could you tell me where that is? I have been able to find several posts that imply that the offer was made after the game, but none that imply that was made before the game:
1. Earlier in this thread SBH said "They ultimately did offer him a five-year deal at equivalent money. It was just too late.' That implies to me that the offer was made after Albin had already accepted the other offer. That implies after the game, or very shortly before it.
2. In the "Albin's post game press conference" thread, SBH says that he believes Tim didn't get the Ohio offer until after the press conference.
3. In the game thread, on page 6, bobcatsquared says "Word from the motor city is that TA has been or will be offered a raise to $1.1m/yr." That implies that the offer was being made because of the impressive win, and that it was not made prior to the game.

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Albin, at some point, entered into negotiations and eventually was offered what, or close to, what he asked for prior to the title game. Yet, this is called disrespectful and late.
...

I believe the offer came after the game, based on the evidence above. Do you have evidence otherwise?
Word came out about Albin and Charlotte a few weeks back. When Petrino pulled out, I believe that is because they decided on Albin (this was Dec. 3, three days before the champ game). I believe we were then given an opportunity to counter offer, which the final version of that came the night before the game and was not accepted, even though the numbers approached what he asked for. I also believe Albin planned on telling the team on Sunday but the news leaked, which caused the mayhem Saturday night. My questions are about the notion of being late and feelings of disrespect, and where in the process that began.
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As for before/after game, I have heard it was Friday. ..after the game, there was no time for any serious discussions between addressing team, press conferences, etc. Too many people milling around. Maybe some final, “are you sure?” kinda things.
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I believe we were then given an opportunity to counter offer, which the final version of that came the night before the game and was not accepted, even though the numbers approached what he asked for.

We gave him an offer and it was basically what he asked for? And he wouldn't take it? It's never too late until a contract is signed. Sounds like Albin just wanted out.
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