So do your own poll. Do you have some special restricted membership we don't know about? Are you on probation?

This thread must be some kind of record for number of people completely missing the point.

Dave I've looked high and low for the figures that substantiate these claims. Can you provide a link to your source, please?

I don't buy it. The comparison is between teams that have MACC'd and those that haven't during Solich's tenure.

But you chose only one of those schools to compare to THE OHIO UNIVERSITY.


Number one goal each year = MACC. 0 in 11 years = basically less than mathematical average. 0 < 1

Have I ever said that the cupboard was bare from Knorr? No, I have said exactly the opposite, that Knorr left behind some decent players, but that Solich's strength is getting the most out of players, and he was able to get significantly more out of the same players than Knorr was.

As for Webb and Boldon, I will repeat my question. Who are/were they, and in what way are they relevant?

Thanks Alan. There's obviously no way I would have known that since I freely admit that at least in the last 40 years, I have never watched, in person or on TV, any women's athletic event in any sport, at any level, or at any school. It's not some conscious boycott, I've just never had the slightest interest.

Why don't you make a poll and compare Ohio vs. Buffalo over the last 10 and the 1 MAC Championship they've one. Then compare Ohio vs. BG. Would you rather have a program who has won the last 3 MAC East titles or one that has not?

Right. Texas has the more money than anybody Charlie Strong coached a losing season this year in Austin. What it says is money is not the factor. The factor for success is having a staff in place that excels in both play calling and recruiting relative to its conference peers. There are 12 schools in the MAC. Northern Illinois has been to 6 straight MACCs. Bowling Green has been to 3 straight MACs. Then is a middle tier with Ohio, Toledo, CMU, WMU where 6, 7, 8 win seasons are common place. Beyond that is the lower half of the MAC where 2, 3, 4 win seasons are typical.

If half of the MAC is middle tier or above the chance of the next Ohio coach being there is 50%. That's if you take the view that Ohio is square in the middle of resources, the East/West divisions are equal and all of the scheduling is equal. Football spending at Ohio last time I checked is near the top of the MAC with NIU. The MAC East has 4 of the 6 bottom tier teams over the past decade. Ohio plays some of the easiest non-conference slates in the country. The chances of remaining in the middle tier of the MAC or better is at around 80% adding the favorable factors. A coach that would be in the middle tier to start with more upside than Solich. Year 10 and Ohio is scoring 19.3 ppg. Solich has never done more than 30 ppg and if we was capable of coaching Ohio to 35 or 40 ppg it would have happened by year 10 but instead the fans enjoyed a paltry 19.3 ppg. Any new Ohio coach has a few year grace period before MAC title games are expected. Solich answered early winning the MAC East in 2006 but is well past any performance grace period.

This poll is utterly simple and utterly fair. Monroe says the goal is a MAC Championship. Situation's poll puts that question to the test. If Monroe's right, than nearly everyone would rather have Miami's record--since they do have a MAC Championship.

The very question forces you to recognize that there is more to "success" than merely a MAC Championship. There may be no better example of that than Miami.

Monroe could amend his "doctrine" (as LC perfectly described it) and claim that Solich should have won multiple MAC Championships during his tenure. If he did, than this poll would be invalid.

As it stands, it is perfectly valid.

Test anything for strength and it breaks at its weakest point. Your theory is broken and it broke at Miami.

How your broken theory works compared to other choices like BG or NIU isn't relevant because it's broken.

I already said this. And you already didn't read and/or comprehend it.

Edit in part to correct my post: It was LC's poll, not Situation's.

Monroe, I did explain it. You are choosing to ignore the explanation. You claimed:
A MAC Championship is the goal.

LC pointed out that Miami has a MAC Championship. Would you rather be them? The vast majority said no, we'd rather have Ohio's record.

In this poll, the difference between Miami and Ohio is limited to the ONE goal that you want: A MAC Championship.

This poll proves that can't possibly be the only factor that matters. If it were, we'd all choose Miami's record.

Could you pick better examples than Miami? Sure. But that wouldn't isolate the MAC Championship as the critical variable.

There. That's all the explanation needed. If you don't get that, there's no more explanation that will help.

Now you sound like the Frank-bashers who make up their own criteria to fit their needs.

The majority of basketball's positive exposure comes from the NCAA Tournament?

HOT TAKE.

I'm curious what is in the "actual data" that makes OHIO's budget decline, but the others increase, as you note above. OHIO is reporting expense numbers that the others weren't? I don't really care enough to look it up, but that seems odd. Not saying you are wrong, but I have seen these numbers posted on various sites over the years and haven't seen the integrity of the spreadsheet I linked questioned. Would love to know if you care to share and took the time to fact check them.

Robert it's an invidious comparison, one that chooses only one school that has MAC'd and makes that an absolute choice. There are other choices as others have astutely pointed out.

For the record, I've said win a MAC once in a reasonable while AND generally compete at or near the top of the MAC--so L.C. is not respecting all of what I've said.


How about another comparison..somewhat as arbitrary as LC's here: # of losses this year to another MAC school in which the loser gave up 40 or more points and lost by 21 or more?

I did my count quickly but I think it's EMU 4, Ball 2, Beefs 2, Kents 1, Redhawk 2, 'kron 1, UMass 1. Ohio 3.



Party on.