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OhioStunter
12/21/2015 1:48 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Personal fouls, converting a 17 point lead into a four point deficit in 1:58!!!!!!!! and the defense become a sieve at key moments. It really was our season crammed into 60 minutes, and I really am glad it is over.
I disagree. App was 10-2 and favored by 8 points so in context of this we played well. The safety to get back with two was spirited. It was an exciting game and sometimes you come out on the wrong side of it but we had nothing to be ashamed about.
Well, I'm not sure that this list of possessions is a source of pride, either. The defense directly set up all but 3 points of our total score.


PUNT
3 PLAYS, 4 YARDS, 1:07

PUNT
3 PLAYS, 1 YARD, 0:41

PUNT
3 PLAYS, -8 YARDS, 2:13

PUNT
3 PLAYS, 7 YARDS, 1:20

PUNT
7 PLAYS, 29 YARDS, 2:32

FIELD GOAL
11 PLAYS, 45 YARDS, 5:56

TOUCHDOWN
2 PLAYS, 23 YARDS, 0:19

PUNT
5 PLAYS, 16 YARDS, 1:45

FUMBLE
2 PLAYS, 37 YARDS, 0:31

PUNT
5 PLAYS, 12 YARDS, 2:50

INTERCEPTION
2 PLAYS, 3 YARDS, 0:35

INTERCEPTION
2 PLAYS, 0 YARDS, 0:12

PUNT
11 PLAYS, 42 YARDS, 5:46

FIELD GOAL
8 PLAYS, 51 YARDS, 4:19
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Casper71
12/21/2015 1:57 PM
L.C., the SCORE was close...the GAME, not so much. They brutalized our linemen most of the night! 430 yds (over 300 rushing) to 260? that ain't good. Turnovers, lazy routes, bad throws and blown assignments really hurt us. To me, it was a total lack of EXECUTION. We were lucky the score was close, the game was not.
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bobcat695
12/21/2015 2:26 PM
Ohio was mauled statistically. Three players, QP, Basham & Johnson kept the Bobcats in the game. The Bobcats are who we thought they were. They are a middle of the road MAC team with a horrible offensive scheme that occasionally wins a game they're not favored to. I'll celebrate the football season with an O'Douls. Both are close to being satisfying.
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Diamond Cat
12/21/2015 3:49 PM
Maybe the pundits are correct. We just aren't able to recruit depth like some of the more successful MAC Teams. I can't explain it any other way given the injuries we have had year in and year out. After a month off, we are still banged up?

When I saw QP intercept the pass for a pick 6, I couldn't believe how hobbled he was trying to get to the goal line.

I hope it's something he can overcome and it's not a nagging career injury. Dude is a man child and as good as I've seen.

I agree - Poling, Javon and Basham seemed to be the guys that carried the D.

I must admit, I don't think Basham has improved a ton from his Freshman Year. Just my 2 cents.

I hope he adds some muscle and dedication to make his Senior Year a good one.
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86Appstate
12/22/2015 11:12 AM
Indeed!!!!!!
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Casper71
12/22/2015 1:31 PM
Guys, there is a reason we get pushed around so much by good teams. Just look at the line backing corps...a bunch of 6 footers at 210 or 215 pounds. We lack size at that position. Go to corner and see how short we are. Then go to the DL and see how light we are. Only in the O-line to we appear to have some size.

I believe in the NFL many, if not most teams, use metrics as to what they look for at various positions. Dunno if this staff uses them but my guess is the guys we get that are under the radar are there for a reason. I am beginning to think much of it has to do with ht and wt in addition to speed.

You can teach some things but not size. Speed you can only increase so much. I think we are woefully lacking at both and that gets back to my statements that we need a lot more bigger, faster and stronger athletes!
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Monroe Slavin
12/22/2015 1:56 PM
Very correct. To me, this undersize explain why our linebackers keep being injured.

Basham dominates 2nd stringer on what's noted as an undersized AppState O-line but not so much vs. MAC O-lines.
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Bcat2
12/22/2015 5:31 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
Guys, there is a reason we get pushed around so much by good teams. Just look at the line backing corps...a bunch of 6 footers at 210 or 215 pounds. We lack size at that position. Go to corner and see how short we are. Then go to the DL and see how light we are. Only in the O-line to we appear to have some size.

I believe in the NFL many, if not most teams, use metrics as to what they look for at various positions. Dunno if this staff uses them but my guess is the guys we get that are under the radar are there for a reason. I am beginning to think much of it has to do with ht and wt in addition to speed.

You can teach some things but not size. Speed you can only increase so much. I think we are woefully lacking at both and that gets back to my statements that we need a lot more bigger, faster and stronger athletes!
Game Notes Roster 235 & 243 & 220. Please do better research. It really gets old cleaning up your misinformation. Clik the link, scroll to page 12.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-footbl/...

Poling, Quentin LB 6-0/235 RS SO

Brown, Blair LB 6-0/243 RS JR

Johnson, Jovon LB 6-0/220 RS SR
Last Edited: 12/22/2015 6:38:58 PM by Bcat2
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Monroe Slavin
12/22/2015 7:04 PM
See the play on the field: our lb's are small...really oversized defensive backs.

Bcat2--a person who has never believed a fact that contradicted his/her 100% deification of Solich and staff.

True belief taken to the extreme is sad.
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OhioCatFan
12/22/2015 8:39 PM
"eye test" < "fact check"
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Monroe Slavin
12/22/2015 9:13 PM
Seriously, OCF? You really believe that teams don't play with supposed heights and weights....to overstate in order to try to intimidate....to understate to get the oppo to be underprepared....or because no one is assigned to or cares about updating the heights and weights.

Your willing ignorance, your willing refusal to acknowledge likely scenarios and/or verifiable truths is impressive.
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Casper71
12/22/2015 9:51 PM
My numbers came right from the roster has posted on the Ohio bobcats.com website. The eye test also tells me there is no way Our LB are 235 or 240.
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L.C.
12/23/2015 7:10 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
My numbers came right from the roster has posted on the Ohio bobcats.com website. The eye test also tells me there is no way Our LB are 235 or 240.

The numbers on the roster have not been updated from 3 years ago, or from when a player was initially weighed in as a Bobcat, whichever is later. The numbers in the game notes reflect Fall 2015 heights and weights. On average players gain 4-6 lbs a year as they lift, and build up, so you would expect a 3 year old weight to be off by 15-20 lbs, which is about the difference for most players. Twenty pounds is an average, though. The linemen tend to gain the most, and the backs tend to gain the least. I actually have logged the roster weights for each player each spring and fall, so if it matters, I can tell you the last time they were updated for an individual player.

The reason that linebackers are much more like safeties is that the game has changed over the last twenty years. Offenses are much more likely to be run out of the pistol, and less likely to be run out of the I, T, or Wishbone. Teams have more receivers, and less bruising backs. Running traditional big linebackers would result in mismatches where linebackers have to cover backs or wide receivers, and they can't keep up. One response was to go to a full-time nickle or dime, putting in an extra DB instead of a linebacker. The other is to find hybrid linebackers that are somewhere between a safety and a traditional linebacker. That trend started about 20 years ago.

Injuries to linebackers were back this year, but it isn't like Ohio has injuries to linebackers every year. The injury bug seems to rotate from position to position. Last year it was safeties. A couple years ago it was tight ends. Before that it was offensive linemen.
Last Edited: 12/23/2015 7:11:43 AM by L.C.
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Bcat2
12/23/2015 8:26 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
My numbers came right from the roster has posted on the Ohio bobcats.com website. The eye test also tells me there is no way Our LB are 235 or 240.
Click the link, also an "official" document, but, in this case with more current information. Roster is on page 12.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-footbl/...

It is clear the program is posting two sets of numbers. Most of us have sorted this out a while ago. Give it an honest look. Read L.C.'s explanation of one still reflecting freshmen data while the other getting updated last fall. There is no way Blair Brown is 215. But, if that helps your agenda ....
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Casper71
12/23/2015 9:55 AM
OK guys, I don't know what their real weights are now I can only use what I saw. I do know we look real short and small (I doubt if any of these guys have grown 2 or 3 inches) at many positions (LB and DB for sure). The one play I remember was one of the big runs when #38 was completely pancaked by their O-line guy. The player is listed as 6' and 193#. Even the announcers talked about the pancake.
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Bcat2
12/23/2015 12:23 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
OK guys, I don't know what their real weights are now I can only use what I saw. I do know we look real short and small (I doubt if any of these guys have grown 2 or 3 inches) at many positions (LB and DB for sure). The one play I remember was one of the big runs when #38 was completely pancaked by their O-line guy. The player is listed as 6' and 193#. Even the announcers talked about the pancake.
Casper71, Camellia Bowl Game Notes roster page 11:

"38 Moore, Chad LB 6-0/217 RS SO Grove City, Ohio/Grove City"

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-footbl/...

When a good OL gets to any LB a pancake is a likely result. It is on the DL to occupy the OL to keep them off the LB. If Moore was 245#, a 300# OL would likely drive him away from the play. Credit to App State. It is not an accident their RB has 4,000 yards in three years.
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OUcats82
12/23/2015 12:41 PM
Someone needs to get an enlarged version of this photo to put anywhere the players will see it every day when they may not want to go 110% in winter workouts etc.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/photos/gallery/_/id/1...
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