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Bcat2
12/8/2015 6:40 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
If his answer is in the first sentence, his answer is apparently that he expected Solich to fail.
Really. L.C. So anything less than the MACC is failure? L.C. did you read my entire post?
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TWT
12/8/2015 7:20 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
If his answer is in the first sentence, his answer is apparently that he expected Solich to fail.
Really. L.C. So anything less than the MACC is failure? L.C. did you read my entire post?
I don't have to read these posts to know the facts. The fact is Solich's records are propped up by the AD's scheduling strategy. Six home games a year loaded with winnable P5 & G5. He's hired baseball, volleyball and women's basketball coaches who've all won MAC Championships. Increased home attendance and marketing income to all time record highs. The facts say Ohio has an excellent AD. The facts also say Solich's program while steady leaves something to be desired; 0-3 MAC title games, .500ish MAC record in recent years, pedestrian offense that has never gone above 30ppg. If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/9/2015 12:49 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
If his answer is in the first sentence, his answer is apparently that he expected Solich to fail.
Really. L.C. So anything less than the MACC is failure? L.C. did you read my entire post?
I don't have to read these posts to know the facts. The fact is Solich's records are propped up by the AD's scheduling strategy. Six home games a year loaded with winnable P5 & G5.
That would imply that schedules are markedly easier versus the years before Solich. Do you think that is the case? I don't. Yeah, there is some variation year to year, but it's not like we didn't play FCS schools before.

We've got to stop comparing football with other sports. It's just meaningless. The nature of the investment, the number of players, the recruiting, the number of games in a season, and most importantly, how much money we have compared to larger schools.
Last Edited: 12/9/2015 12:49:39 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat
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Bcat2
12/10/2015 6:28 AM
Uncle Wes

" If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on."

Bcat2

So it is time to rephrase the question from "When Coach Solich was hired" to Do you believe Ohio can win a MACC with Coach Solich? "Yes/No" or considered response are acceptable.

I will gladly start. Yes, and with the players currently on the roster. Oh, and yes this is different from long ago when I did not believe "God Almighty" could win a MACC at Ohio. :)
Last Edited: 12/10/2015 7:04:14 AM by Bcat2
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Monroe Slavin
12/10/2015 10:07 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Uncle Wes

" If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on."

Bcat2

So it is time to rephrase the question from "When Coach Solich was hired" to Do you believe Ohio can win a MACC with Coach Solich? "Yes/No" or considered response are acceptable.

I will gladly start. Yes, and with the players currently on the roster. Oh, and yes this is different from long ago when I did not believe "God Almighty" could win a MACC at Ohio. :)


Until you honestly state your affiliation (or lack thereof, if that be so) with Ohio University and Ohio Athletics, you have no credibility.

For the millionth time, every single one of your posts is suspect because it's more rabidly pro-Solich than would be the case if Athletics was paying you to push their point of view

Honesty and transparency are not too big in your book, though.
Last Edited: 12/10/2015 10:07:54 AM by Monroe Slavin
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Bcat2
12/10/2015 10:50 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Uncle Wes

" If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on."

Bcat2

So it is time to rephrase the question from "When Coach Solich was hired" to Do you believe Ohio can win a MACC with Coach Solich? "Yes/No" or considered response are acceptable.

I will gladly start. Yes, and with the players currently on the roster. Oh, and yes this is different from long ago when I did not believe "God Almighty" could win a MACC at Ohio. :)


Until you honestly state your affiliation (or lack thereof, if that be so) with Ohio University and Ohio Athletics, you have no credibility.

For the millionth time, every single one of your posts is suspect because it's more rabidly pro-Solich than would be the case if Athletics was paying you to push their point of view

Honesty and transparency are not too big in your book, though.
According to those on the board, all I do is balance your views from the other extreme. So we should put you down as a "No" correct?
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bshot44
12/10/2015 11:43 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Uncle Wes

" If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on."

Bcat2

So it is time to rephrase the question from "When Coach Solich was hired" to Do you believe Ohio can win a MACC with Coach Solich? "Yes/No" or considered response are acceptable.

I will gladly start. Yes, and with the players currently on the roster. Oh, and yes this is different from long ago when I did not believe "God Almighty" could win a MACC at Ohio. :)
This might be the first time you haven't typed and typed and typed and said absolutely nothing.

Finally...we have a response. I'm so proud of you.

No...you didn't think Frank could win a MACC when he was hired.

Yes...you do think he can win one now with the current roster.

Well done.

Was it that hard to plainly state that?

I thought Frank could win a MACC when he was hired. Good coaching in a mediocre league goes a long way. With that being said, it is disappointing he hasn't won one yet.

Do I think he can now.....I'm leaning yes......but I can't say I'm 100% confident. Honestly, he only has 1 or 2 more cracks at it....so let's hope he can get that damn thing before he hangs 'em up
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Bcat2
12/10/2015 3:16 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Uncle Wes

" If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on."

Bcat2

So it is time to rephrase the question from "When Coach Solich was hired" to Do you believe Ohio can win a MACC with Coach Solich? "Yes/No" or considered response are acceptable.

I will gladly start. Yes, and with the players currently on the roster. Oh, and yes this is different from long ago when I did not believe "God Almighty" could win a MACC at Ohio. :)
This might be the first time you haven't typed and typed and typed and said absolutely nothing.

Finally...we have a response. I'm so proud of you.

No...you didn't think Frank could win a MACC when he was hired.

Yes...you do think he can win one now with the current roster.

Well done.

Was it that hard to plainly state that?

I thought Frank could win a MACC when he was hired. Good coaching in a mediocre league goes a long way. With that being said, it is disappointing he hasn't won one yet.

Do I think he can now.....I'm leaning yes......but I can't say I'm 100% confident. Honestly, he only has 1 or 2 more cracks at it....so let's hope he can get that damn thing before he hangs 'em up
One perspective difference between us. You refer to Frank winning the MACC while I try to refer to Ohio winning with Coach Solich. I do believe there is a big difference. Now here I go again typing and "saying nothing", from your perspective.
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bshot44
12/10/2015 4:18 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Uncle Wes

" If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on."

Bcat2

So it is time to rephrase the question from "When Coach Solich was hired" to Do you believe Ohio can win a MACC with Coach Solich? "Yes/No" or considered response are acceptable.

I will gladly start. Yes, and with the players currently on the roster. Oh, and yes this is different from long ago when I did not believe "God Almighty" could win a MACC at Ohio. :)
This might be the first time you haven't typed and typed and typed and said absolutely nothing.

Finally...we have a response. I'm so proud of you.

No...you didn't think Frank could win a MACC when he was hired.

Yes...you do think he can win one now with the current roster.

Well done.

Was it that hard to plainly state that?

I thought Frank could win a MACC when he was hired. Good coaching in a mediocre league goes a long way. With that being said, it is disappointing he hasn't won one yet.

Do I think he can now.....I'm leaning yes......but I can't say I'm 100% confident. Honestly, he only has 1 or 2 more cracks at it....so let's hope he can get that damn thing before he hangs 'em up
One perspective difference between us. You refer to Frank winning the MACC while I try to refer to Ohio winning with Coach Solich. I do believe there is a big difference. Now here I go again typing and "saying nothing", from your perspective.
WHO THE HELL WAS FRANK GOING TO WIN A MACC WITH??? AKRON? EMU?

He was hired as the head coach at Ohio....

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that when it's said "Frank winning the MACC" it's implied that it's Ohio winning with Coach Solich.

D.I.F.F.I.C.U.LT.
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allen
12/11/2015 9:11 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Uncle Wes

" If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on."

Bcat2

So it is time to rephrase the question from "When Coach Solich was hired" to Do you believe Ohio can win a MACC with Coach Solich? "Yes/No" or considered response are acceptable.

I will gladly start. Yes, and with the players currently on the roster. Oh, and yes this is different from long ago when I did not believe "God Almighty" could win a MACC at Ohio. :)


Until you honestly state your affiliation (or lack thereof, if that be so) with Ohio University and Ohio Athletics, you have no credibility.

For the millionth time, every single one of your posts is suspect because it's more rabidly pro-Solich than would be the case if Athletics was paying you to push their point of view

Honesty and transparency are not too big in your book, though.

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Bcat2
12/11/2015 9:25 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
Uncle Wes

" If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on."

Bcat2

So it is time to rephrase the question from "When Coach Solich was hired" to Do you believe Ohio can win a MACC with Coach Solich? "Yes/No" or considered response are acceptable.

I will gladly start. Yes, and with the players currently on the roster. Oh, and yes this is different from long ago when I did not believe "God Almighty" could win a MACC at Ohio. :)


Until you honestly state your affiliation (or lack thereof, if that be so) with Ohio University and Ohio Athletics, you have no credibility.

For the millionth time, every single one of your posts is suspect because it's more rabidly pro-Solich than would be the case if Athletics was paying you to push their point of view

Honesty and transparency are not too big in your book, though.
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Two replies attacking the messenger, neither with a simple answer to the question. Par for the course.
Last Edited: 12/11/2015 9:27:01 AM by Bcat2
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Alan Swank
12/11/2015 1:02 PM
Monroe's request is a legitimate one although it has been debated a hundred times in the past 10 years. There are about 5 or 6 posters on here who I wish I knew who they were and you are at the top of the list.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/11/2015 1:52 PM
Why does anyone owe you or Monroe this information?
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bshot44
12/11/2015 3:04 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Uncle Wes

" If the AD is consistently finding excellent coaches who can consistently win a MAC title I like Ohio's chances when Solich moves on."

Bcat2

So it is time to rephrase the question from "When Coach Solich was hired" to Do you believe Ohio can win a MACC with Coach Solich? "Yes/No" or considered response are acceptable.

I will gladly start. Yes, and with the players currently on the roster. Oh, and yes this is different from long ago when I did not believe "God Almighty" could win a MACC at Ohio. :)


Until you honestly state your affiliation (or lack thereof, if that be so) with Ohio University and Ohio Athletics, you have no credibility.

For the millionth time, every single one of your posts is suspect because it's more rabidly pro-Solich than would be the case if Athletics was paying you to push their point of view

Honesty and transparency are not too big in your book, though.
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Two replies attacking the messenger, neither with a simple answer to the question. Par for the course.

For f**ks sake....you are the KING of refusing to reply with a simple answer to a question.

"Hello, Kettle....I'd like you to meet Pot."

When you learn to respond to yes/no questions with a simple reply, then you can fire away at those who don't.
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Alan Swank
12/11/2015 5:17 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Why does anyone owe you or Monroe this information?
"Wish I knew" and "owe" are two very different things but for what it's worth, you're on that short list too. :)
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Monroe Slavin
12/11/2015 6:18 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Why does anyone owe you or Monroe this information?
Your 'I don't have my M.O.' act is getting dull.


Look at Bcat2's body of work. The request for status/connection is natural and fair.
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mf279801
12/11/2015 9:46 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Why does anyone owe you or Monroe this information?
"Wish I knew" and "owe" are two very different things but for what it's worth, you're on that short list too. :)
Oh for ****'s sake Alan, we all know your alleged real name and monroe's alleged real name, doesn't detract from either of you being complete ***hats.
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Alan Swank
12/11/2015 10:06 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
Why does anyone owe you or Monroe this information?
"Wish I knew" and "owe" are two very different things but for what it's worth, you're on that short list too. :)
Oh for ****'s sake Alan, we all know your alleged real name and monroe's alleged real name, doesn't detract from either of you being complete ***hats.
We appreciate that Matt and I'm serious because you post under you own name. I only wish this was like Facebook where you had to identify yourself.
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mf279801
12/11/2015 10:11 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Why does anyone owe you or Monroe this information?
"Wish I knew" and "owe" are two very different things but for what it's worth, you're on that short list too. :)
Oh for ****'s sake Alan, we all know your alleged real name and monroe's alleged real name, doesn't detract from either of you being complete ***hats.
We appreciate that Matt and I'm serious because you post under you own name. I only wish this was like Facebook where you had to identify yourself.
That's a fair view to take Alan, but I would point out that Facebook has taken a fair degree of heat for their "real name policy"
As an example, see: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/07/04/3676529/truth... /

(Note: I'm not sure if they've since relaxed their policy due to aforementioned criticism or not)
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Alan Swank
12/11/2015 10:37 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
Why does anyone owe you or Monroe this information?
"Wish I knew" and "owe" are two very different things but for what it's worth, you're on that short list too. :)
Oh for ****'s sake Alan, we all know your alleged real name and monroe's alleged real name, doesn't detract from either of you being complete ***hats.
We appreciate that Matt and I'm serious because you post under you own name. I only wish this was like Facebook where you had to identify yourself.
That's a fair view to take Alan, but I would point out that Facebook has taken a fair degree of heat for their "real name policy"
As an example, see: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/07/04/3676529/truth... /

(Note: I'm not sure if they've since relaxed their policy due to aforementioned criticism or not)
That is a very interesting article Matt. From that article, here is the point I was trying to make and at the risk of speaking for other posters, what I think they are trying to say.

Despite bad precedent, Facebook firmly stands behind real name policy as a means of protecting users. Facebook policy director Monika Bickert told ThinkProgress “We want people to share knowing whom they’re speaking with and that they are accountable,” for the content they share or the words they speak.
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The Optimist
12/12/2015 12:38 AM
I don't post under my real name and I have no desire to do so but if anyone is that curious just PM me and I'll tell you.
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OhioCatFan
12/12/2015 5:55 PM
I don't post under my real name either, but anyone with an ounce of smarts can look at my profile and figure out who I am, so I don't hide behind a very thick veil. If you can't figure out the very big clue in my profile, I pronounce you not ready for prime time detective work. ;-)
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giacomo
12/14/2015 11:18 AM
A little birdie told me that we've added some years to Frank's deal.
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OhioCatFan
12/14/2015 12:20 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
A little birdie told me that we've added some years to Frank's deal.
Not surprised at what that little birdy told you. Monroe, on the other hand, is getting out the lighter fluid to set his hair on fire.
Last Edited: 12/15/2015 8:34:23 PM by OhioCatFan
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GoCats105
12/16/2015 8:53 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I don't post under my real name either, but anyone with an ounce of smarts can look at my profile and figure out who I am, so I don't hide behind a very thick veil. If you can't figure out the very big clue in my profile, I pronounce you not ready for prime time detective work. ;-)
Wait, your real name isn't OhioCatFan on your birth certificate? And the The Optimist isn't really The Optimist? My name on my birth certificate clearly states GoCats105.

MIND BLOWN.

This is a message board, people. Message board posters have an implied sense of anonymity without even being asked. Just because someone doesn't post under their real name doesn't make them any less supportive or knowledgeable of a school's athletic or academic successes and failures. Nor does it not grant them the right to post their opinion about certain topics.

Some of you have met me and know my name. I choose not to post under that name for reasons I'd rather not state. I'm sure some others feel the same way.
Last Edited: 12/16/2015 8:53:55 AM by GoCats105
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