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Topic: We deserve better OHIO
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Sony7
12/20/2015 11:15 AM
Last Edited: 12/20/2015 7:03:24 PM by Sony7
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TWT
12/20/2015 1:36 PM
OHIO was founded over 200 years ago. The administration is taking a long term view of building value for the university over making a decision around last year's USNWR rankings. New medical school on West Union. Redevelopment of the Ridges. Renovation of the Ping Center to triple its square footage with a pool and ice arena. Attracting students doesn't start and end with intercollegiate athletics. It sounds like you prefer 100 million in athletics debt with a chance of having marginally more competitive athletics.
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Mark Lembright '85
12/20/2015 3:50 PM
I think Wes is spot on. Ohio has its priorities right.
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Monroe Slavin
12/20/2015 7:57 PM
But for the money that we do spend on any activity (academic, athletics, etc), shouldn't we have fairly high standards?
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allen
12/20/2015 8:18 PM
Yes, we have the largest athletics budget and the best campus, we should not expect to be mediocre.
Last Edited: 12/22/2015 11:29:35 PM by allen
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giacomo
12/22/2015 9:46 PM
I didn't have a hat and felt bad, until I met a man who had no brain.
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doubledribble
12/23/2015 9:10 AM
Lots to be proud of as a Bobcat! We are finally competitive year in and year out under Coach Solich and his staff, and if we continue to compete at this high level we will get back to Detroit and have chances to win MAC championships. Unlike a few posters on this board who think that the only worthwhile goal for our program is that MAC championship, I must respectively disagree. College athletics is about much much more, and I feel sorry for a narrow minded few who have no clue what it is all about. We now have a program that all Bobcats can be proud of. We have a program that is carrying a GPA average of just under 3.0. We have student athletes in all sports who are competitive both on the field or court, and in the classroom as they pursue their degree from Ohio. Fans who have never competed at the Division 1 level on the field and in the classroom have no clue how difficult this accomplishment is, nor do they appreciate it. Very sad if all you are looking at is "MAC Championship". There are many more "wins" going on at Ohio University everyday, sorry that a few of our fans are missing out on them or can't appreciate them. It is their loss. Stand Up and Cheer! Go Bobcats.
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colobobcat66
12/23/2015 9:34 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
Yes, we have the largest athletics budget and the best campus, we should not expect to be mediocre.
According to an article on ChicagoFootball.com published on 3/25/15 based on 2013/2014 data sent to the NCAA, Ohio is nowhere near the top of the conference in athletic budget:
Akron-$32.8 million
Buffalo-$31.3 million
EMU-$29.4 million
CMU-$29.3 million
WMU-$28.9 million
Ohio $27.7 million

Agree with the best campus however. And we should not expect to be mediocre regardless of budget if we have a very good AD.
Last Edited: 12/23/2015 9:36:09 AM by colobobcat66
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C Money
12/23/2015 9:51 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Akron-$32.8 million

I wonder how much of that (if any) is debt service for their shiny new stadium they can't fill.
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OUPride
12/23/2015 10:49 AM
Ohio's athletic subsidy last year was $18.5M. That's 67% of the athletic department's budget and 3% of the university's total budget. It equates 7.7% ($804 per student) of the tuition of every undergraduate student on the Athens campus. It could have funded full, in-state scholarships for 1,771 students (almost half of our entering freshmen).

Tell me, how much more money should we be pumping into chasing the dream of big time sports success? 25 million? 35 million? 50 million?
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Deciduous Forest Cat
12/23/2015 10:54 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Yes, we have the largest athletics budget and the best campus, we should not expect to be mediocre.
According to an article on ChicagoFootball.com published on 3/25/15 based on 2013/2014 data sent to the NCAA, Ohio is nowhere near the top of the conference in athletic budget:
Akron-$32.8 million
Buffalo-$31.3 million
EMU-$29.4 million
CMU-$29.3 million
WMU-$28.9 million
Ohio $27.7 million

Agree with the best campus however. And we should not expect to be mediocre regardless of budget if we have a very good AD.
So the budget argument holds no water. The campus argument does. How about facilities? I would say our stadium is bottom third in the MAC. That probably doesn't help.
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SBH
12/23/2015 10:55 AM
I believe we ARE, number one in FB budget, however.
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colobobcat66
12/23/2015 10:56 AM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
Ohio's athletic subsidy last year was $18.5M. That's 67% of the athletic department's budget and 3% of the university's total budget. It equates 7.7% ($804 per student) of the tuition of every undergraduate student on the Athens campus. It could have funded full, in-state scholarships for 1,771 students (almost half of our entering freshmen).

Tell me, how much more money should we be pumping into chasing the dream of big time sports success? 25 million? 35 million? 50 million?
How many full time equivalent students received scholarships because of the subsidy?
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OUPride
12/23/2015 11:43 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Ohio's athletic subsidy last year was $18.5M. That's 67% of the athletic department's budget and 3% of the university's total budget. It equates 7.7% ($804 per student) of the tuition of every undergraduate student on the Athens campus. It could have funded full, in-state scholarships for 1,771 students (almost half of our entering freshmen).

Tell me, how much more money should we be pumping into chasing the dream of big time sports success? 25 million? 35 million? 50 million?
How many full time equivalent students received scholarships because of the subsidy?
A fraction of what would be possible if the subsidy were used just for academic scholarships. Also consider that many athletes at Ohio receive partial scholarships or are walk-ons. Also consider that many of those receiving full scholarships fall in the bottom quarter of our entering freshmen.

I didn't see the original post before it was taken down. However, the follow up comments seem to imply that it argued that spending more on athletics would help Ohio's rankings and student recruitment. Gee, what do you think offering 400+ full 4 year scholarships in each freshman class for kids with 30+ on their ACT and top tenth of their HS class would in this regard? That's what the athletic subsidy could fund.
Last Edited: 12/23/2015 11:44:03 AM by OUPride
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stout76
12/23/2015 11:46 AM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
Ohio's athletic subsidy last year was $18.5M. That's 67% of the athletic department's budget and 3% of the university's total budget. It equates 7.7% ($804 per student) of the tuition of every undergraduate student on the Athens campus. It could have funded full, in-state scholarships for 1,771 students (almost half of our entering freshmen).

Tell me, how much more money should we be pumping into chasing the dream of big time sports success? 25 million? 35 million? 50 million?
Dude the campus is stuffed. There's no more room for 1771 more students, at least not today. Maybe they can grow the online enrollment but I get your point. However I don't have a problem with the student fees.
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OUPride
12/23/2015 12:25 PM
stout76 wrote:expand_more
Ohio's athletic subsidy last year was $18.5M. That's 67% of the athletic department's budget and 3% of the university's total budget. It equates 7.7% ($804 per student) of the tuition of every undergraduate student on the Athens campus. It could have funded full, in-state scholarships for 1,771 students (almost half of our entering freshmen).

Tell me, how much more money should we be pumping into chasing the dream of big time sports success? 25 million? 35 million? 50 million?
Dude the campus is stuffed. There's no more room for 1771 more students, at least not today. Maybe they can grow the online enrollment but I get your point. However I don't have a problem with the student fees.
Assuming you're giving out full, four-year scholarships, it would work out to a little over 400 freshmen getting them each year. Nobody is saying that they would be additions to the size of the freshman class. They would, however, drive the quality of the class upwards. That's 400 kids with 30+ ACT that Ohio is luring away from OSU or Miami replacing 400 kids with 20-22 ACTs (48% of last year's class scored 23 or lower!). That drives our freshman class metrics higher, increases our reputation in Ohio and beyond, increases our rankings and makes Ohio more attractive for recruiting better faculty. Plowing that money into the athletic department is doing NONE of these things.
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Victory
12/23/2015 12:35 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
Ohio's athletic subsidy last year was $18.5M. That's 67% of the athletic department's budget and 3% of the university's total budget. It equates 7.7% ($804 per student) of the tuition of every undergraduate student on the Athens campus. It could have funded full, in-state scholarships for 1,771 students (almost half of our entering freshmen).

Tell me, how much more money should we be pumping into chasing the dream of big time sports success? 25 million? 35 million? 50 million?
Dude the campus is stuffed. There's no more room for 1771 more students, at least not today. Maybe they can grow the online enrollment but I get your point. However I don't have a problem with the student fees.
Assuming you're giving out full, four-year scholarships, it would work out to a little over 400 freshmen getting them each year. Nobody is saying that they would be additions to the size of the freshman class. They would, however, drive the quality of the class upwards. That's 400 kids with 30+ ACT that Ohio is luring away from OSU or Miami replacing 400 kids with 20-22 ACTs (48% of last year's class scored 23 or lower!). That drives our freshman class metrics higher, increases our reputation in Ohio and beyond, increases our rankings and makes Ohio more attractive for recruiting better faculty. Plowing that money into the athletic department is doing NONE of these things.
+1

I was one of those 30+ ACT scores that went mostly on scholarship. I buy season tickets and I give a couple hundred bucks a year as a booster. But I have paid back by scholarship in yearly giving to Ohio University many times over. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think there are more ways that spending too much on athletics, when being in a small town in the middle of nowhere attendance is never going to be 50K a game and return the investment, is robbing the long term than we think about. Yes, there are aids to marketing and keeping the alumni connected that are helpful and there is a balance. However, when I was in school I thought that I was attending one of the best public Universities in the world and I doubt that I would think that now.
Last Edited: 12/23/2015 12:45:19 PM by Victory
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colobobcat66
12/23/2015 1:14 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
Ohio's athletic subsidy last year was $18.5M. That's 67% of the athletic department's budget and 3% of the university's total budget. It equates 7.7% ($804 per student) of the tuition of every undergraduate student on the Athens campus. It could have funded full, in-state scholarships for 1,771 students (almost half of our entering freshmen).

Tell me, how much more money should we be pumping into chasing the dream of big time sports success? 25 million? 35 million? 50 million?
Not trying to be argumentative, but we had around 4400 incoming freshmen, so we're not talking about half here. My point on the number of scholarships to athletes is that while the incoming athletes may not all be top academic performers, they average about a 3 GPA as Ohio students, so we're not talking about a bunch of idiots here. They're some pretty good students who are doing as well as the overall student body, I would imagine. If we giving even 200 FTE schollies to athletes, that is a significant % of your 1771 full rides. All the athletic money is not being thrown away to big time athletics per se.
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colobobcat66
12/23/2015 1:16 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
I believe we ARE, number one in FB budget, however.
Not likely with the recent (pre2015)WMU salary increases.
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
12/23/2015 1:50 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
Plowing that money into the athletic department is doing NONE of these things.

But it can and it does: http://www.educationdive.com/news/how-march-madness-succe... /

The Article wrote:expand_more
By 2012, VCU saw a 20% increase in applications. And while an increase in applications is important, it is the difference between in-state and out-of-state applications that really matters. In 2008, VCU reported that 92% of freshmen were from Virginia. In 2012, that percentage had dropped to 85. This 8% difference meant almost $3.4 million more in tuition for the school during the 2012-13 academic year.
The Article wrote:expand_more
As of November, FGCU has seen an admissions increase of roughly 27%
Last Edited: 12/23/2015 1:50:35 PM by bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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TWT
12/24/2015 12:33 AM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
Assuming you're giving out full, four-year scholarships, it would work out to a little over 400 freshmen getting them each year. Nobody is saying that they would be additions to the size of the freshman class. They would, however, drive the quality of the class upwards. That's 400 kids with 30+ ACT that Ohio is luring away from OSU or Miami replacing 400 kids with 20-22 ACTs (48% of last year's class scored 23 or lower!). That drives our freshman class metrics higher, increases our reputation in Ohio and beyond, increases our rankings and makes Ohio more attractive for recruiting better faculty.
The administration I believe is banking on a sling shot effect for admissions. Scores are becoming so high at Miami and OSU to the point where it defeats their traditional purpose as safety schools. That will place upward pressure on Ohio's scores and the higher Ohio's scores move upward the more attractive it becomes to top students until it reaches parity with Miami and OSU. Sliding scale 4 year renewable tuition discounts are now in place at Ohio for students between 24-30 on the ACT. The Athens campus isn't finished yet with more projects scheduled to be built the next 10-15 years so its in a growth phase. Finishing the campus and attracting students that way is more of an immediate concern than over inflating university scholarship money in a short term attempt to attract more students.
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