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bornacatfan
12/24/2015 3:09 PM
86Appstate wrote:expand_more
Don't judge all App Fans from one posting... Ohio has a "stand-up" fan base ...hope to see you guys on the schedule in the future... The game was what I expected... a hard fought game... we are not Marshall ,GA Southern ,,or even East Carolina!!!!
That's funny. As I listened to my NON sports minded sister who has become a GA Southern fan talk last night dissing the MAC as if it were a minor conference that should not even grace the same feild as GA Southern. Too bad BUGS decided to fold. I would have enjoyed the crow. Not sure how Southern has convinced it's newly minted fanbase that they should be competing for a National Championship but they are most assuredly brainwashed

On the subject matter....the NFL has let DB's and kick coverage team members have way too much rope. Just listened to several sports show hosts talk about the focus not as much on DB skills as much as their ability to upset receivers mentally. Allowing such a big display after a missed reception is silly. He dropped the ball....On many passes I want to say to the player "it's not like you actually did something to cause the drop" ...keep your emotions in check.
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L.C.
12/24/2015 4:04 PM
Monroe, first of all, I don't consider myself right wing, but closer to a libertarian. I sometimes agree with right wing people, and sometimes with liberals. Right versus left is a false dichotomy designed to distract from the real problem.

Second, those (other than the date) are not my predictions, but the predictions of history. Could we forge new history, unlike what has happened in the past? Or, when we repeat the errors of history will we get the same unfortunate results that were achieved the other times it was tried? Perhaps advances in robotics will be so dramatic that we can have a wonderful lifestyle without anyone needing to work anymore?

Finally, where in my post did I blame Obama? I didn't even mention him. Furthermore, I didn't even imply any blame to him. To the contrary I said that what has happened, and what will happen are an inevitable consequence of our form of government.

I'm certainly open to considering other alternatives as to what might happen in the future, but not unless it has happened at another time in history. As one of our founding fathers said "a democracy is the vilest form of government because it always ends badly". Franklin's comment as to what form of government had been selected was "a republic, if you can keep it." Believing that our form of government is permanent, or stable, is a tragic error. We all are very fortunate to have lived on a time with this form of government, because sadly it won't last forever.

Perhaps the next generation will be able to put aside the false dichotomy of right versus left, and escape from the view that government is the answer, rather than the problem, and they can extend the life of the republic another generation, but I'm not optimistic.
Last Edited: 12/24/2015 4:06:26 PM by L.C.
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Mark Lembright '85
12/24/2015 4:09 PM
Apparently no one shares my trepidation with Artificial Intelligence......... :)

Edit: Sounds like a perfect time for me to consume some Christmas Ales!
Last Edited: 12/24/2015 4:11:26 PM by Mark Lembright '85
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OhioCatFan
12/24/2015 4:27 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Apparently no one shares my trepidation with Artificial Intelligence......... :)

Edit: Sounds like a perfect time for me to consume some Christmas Ales!
So far all the AI innovations that I've seen you still have to put the emphasis on the word ARTIFICIAL and NOT on the word INTELLIGENCE.
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C Money
12/24/2015 4:39 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Apparently no one shares my trepidation with Artificial Intelligence......... :)


SKYNET IS REAL! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
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Monroe Slavin
12/24/2015 5:06 PM
Okay. Just remember that predictions do not equal reality.

They may come to equal reality..but until they do, they are merely predictions.


Anyone capable of accurate predictions for any sort of long term (over 6 months...heck, over a few days) ought to be heavily in the stock market. 'cause such accuracy will give you about ALL of the money.
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L.C.
12/24/2015 5:35 PM
Here are some questions to think about, from a different perspective:
How many people in the US are non productive, for example unemployed, or removed from the work force for other reasons, such as partially disabled, handicapped, or voluntarily removed from the work force? How much greater would our GDP (and thus our standard of living) be if those people were producing something, even a little? Why don't either the right our the left address this?

Another question is, is our standard of living higher than that of our parents? If so, why do both parents have to work today? Or, if our standard of living is higher, is that only because technical advances have masked our failings in other ways? Will our children's standard of living be higher than ours?

Another question: during our lifetime, governmental employees have gotten raises every year that are at the pace of inflation or higher, plus generous benefits. Thus, even without a growth in the number of employees it inevitably consumes a larger share of GDP. It is a truism that governments require private citizens to tax (you would have to tax all government employees at 100% to get the money to pay them if they were the only source.) As the government grows as a percentage of GDP, at what point will the private sector reach the breaking point? Another consequence is that as this trend continues, the new rich will be government employees, since mathematically if public sector wages grow at faster than inflation, private incomes on average must grow at less than inflation. Should we all aspire to working for government?

And, now a final question. When you add together government employees, pseudo government employees (insurance, healthcare, education), and people receiving government benefits ( welfare, retired people, etc) you are well over 50% of voters. How can you hope to reverse direction? Obviously you can't. Instead, the trends of the past will continue and accelerate, especially since no one on the right of left wants to talk about it (because if they did they wouldn't get elected).
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Robert Fox
12/24/2015 5:48 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Okay. Just remember that predictions do not equal reality.
You mean like the weather?
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allen
12/24/2015 8:29 PM
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Nice job with the right wing echo chamber.

Crippled economy? Slowly collapsing under creeping socialism and the debt load?

There's no immediate evidence that the latter is true and the former is 100% wrong.

It could happen that the debt load will bring us down. But we've had it...and such predictions...for a good long while.

I'll concede that parts of the extreme (extreme) right wing view are or could be true.

But it's amazing how the right wing echo chamber cannot accept a reasonably objective view of current reality.

To bring it back to the 'correct' subject matter, the right wing is pretty much the side here that cannot get an objective view of OHIO FOOTBALL.

That we're 11 years Solich without a MACC and the last four years filled with horrid losses to mediocre teams is not taken as a message that there are problems evinces a really impressive ability to not step back and absorb a reasonably objective grasp of reality.

"Slowly crippling economy"--compared to what? The rest of the world? That is an absurd statement that is detached from reality. (See today's report about record setting low unemployment. You may argue about the methodology but you cannot dismiss this that easily.)



Hint to the apologists: LC's (and others') wonderful predictions (Which we've seen before) that 2016 or 2017 will be great years for OHIO FOOTBALL are not reality. They are predictions.
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Absent any fiscal policy, the economy has grown more than most developed countries and unemployment is at 5%, we are almost at full employment. That's pretty darn good. We need to recruit better, tackle better and drastically improve our play-calling if we want to win the MAC.
"almost at full employment" with participation in the workforce declining to 62% and still going down. Did we dip below France this year? Just how does that work, full employment, but, fewer and fewer deciding to work?

When the stock market triples, people stop participating and retire. You should think before you post. Our country was almost ruined in 2007-8 and we have not only crawled out of the hole. We are back to leading.
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Lande71
12/24/2015 8:29 PM
"Everything is O'bama's fault". Um, seems to me the last decade's problems have been blamed on Bush. Of course the left leads that charge? Monroe, your credibility continues to slip with me as you continue to babble. I know, even with all the stats you guys have provided, my damn pocketbook has been raided the last few yrs. to help pay for health ins. and all the other perks that nonworking folks receive. Sure am glad I worked my a** off all my life to support what's becoming the majority of our country. By the way, I am not one of those high dollar, rich people, just a common middle class ind. hoping to be comfortable in retirement.
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allen
12/24/2015 8:39 PM
Lande71 wrote:expand_more
"Everything is O'bama's fault". Um, seems to me the last decade's problems have been blamed on Bush. Of course the left leads that charge? Monroe, your credibility continues to slip with me as you continue to babble. I know, even with all the stats you guys have provided, my damn pocketbook has been raided the last few yrs. to help pay for health ins. and all the other perks that nonworking folks receive. Sure am glad I worked my a** off all my life to support what's becoming the majority of our country. By the way, I am not one of those high dollar, rich people, just a common middle class ind. hoping to be comfortable in retirement.
You need to look at who prevents the government from negotiating drug and insurance prices and feller you might not lak those guys on the right so much. You also might want to look at who prevents measures to curb outsourcing and tax inversion. While were at it, you just retired after the stock market tripled, so I am sure that helps you feel comfortable, maybe that tan feller is not so bad after all. I am like you, I don't lak his kind.
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L.C.
12/25/2015 7:01 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Okay. Just remember that predictions do not equal reality.

They may come to equal reality..but until they do, they are merely predictions.


Anyone capable of accurate predictions for any sort of long term (over 6 months...heck, over a few days) ought to be heavily in the stock market. 'cause such accuracy will give you about ALL of the money.

That's a common, but foolish assumption. I'm surprised, and disappointed that you would make such as assertion. Making correct predictions will not allow you to make money in the stock market, but many people go very wrong trying to do this. The efficient market hypothesis is that the stock market accounts for all known information, which by implication includes expectations for the future. Thus, you must not only be able to make accurate predictions, they must be consistently different from the consensus, and more accurate than the consensus. Lots of people can make accruate predictions, and therein likes the problem. Can you be consistently more accurate than all the others?
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Robert Fox
12/25/2015 7:19 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
"Everything is O'bama's fault". Um, seems to me the last decade's problems have been blamed on Bush. Of course the left leads that charge? Monroe, your credibility continues to slip with me as you continue to babble. I know, even with all the stats you guys have provided, my damn pocketbook has been raided the last few yrs. to help pay for health ins. and all the other perks that nonworking folks receive. Sure am glad I worked my a** off all my life to support what's becoming the majority of our country. By the way, I am not one of those high dollar, rich people, just a common middle class ind. hoping to be comfortable in retirement.
You need to look at who prevents the government from negotiating drug and insurance prices and feller you might not lak those guys on the right so much. You also might want to look at who prevents measures to curb outsourcing and tax inversion. While were at it, you just retired after the stock market tripled, so I am sure that helps you feel comfortable, maybe that tan feller is not so bad after all. I am like you, I don't lak his kind.
Don't pull the race card. It's Christmas. Wait 'til tomorrow.
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L.C.
12/25/2015 7:23 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
"Everything is O'bama's fault". ...
You need to look at who prevents the government from negotiating drug and insurance prices ...

Always the debate shifts back to right versus left because that's the way people have been conditioned to think by the media and politicians, since it serves their agenda to have people thinking in those terms. If people think only in right-left terms, left people watch and read left media and give to left politicitans because they must stop the right. Right people watch and read right media and give to right politicians because they must stop the left.

Both the left and right are the same. They both want your money and votes. They both want bigger government. They both want you to think that government is the answer to whatever your problems are, because then you need them, and you are dependent on them, and it is critical to you that you have whichever side in power that has convinced you you need them. Neither side wants you to think that you, yourself, are the answer to your own problems. If you doubt this, look at history. Over the last 50 years we've had a variety of Republican and a variety of Democrat administrations. Sure, there have been minor differences, but under both the government has grown, and the deficit has grown.

Where would drug prices be if there were no government involvement in healthcare? Suppose, instead, consumers were empowered with choices? All other tech prices fall in price, but medecines rise. Does more regulation of medecines cause the price to rise or fall? If more regulation is causing it to rise, will even more regulation solve the problem, or make it better? Do healthcare companies mind the regulation? What happened to Airfare prices when they were deregulated? Did airlines become more, or less profitable?

In my mind the better debate than right-left are questions such as "What is the proper role of government?" "How important is an efficient economy?" Sadly, if the US were formed today, and a Constitutional convention were convened to decide on a new form of government, and a new constitution were devised, it is doubtful that it would be a very good one.
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L.C.
12/25/2015 7:25 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
Don't pull the race card. It's Christmas. Wait 'til tomorrow.

Yes, it's Christmas, so I'll stop now. I wasn't trying to give answers, just to give people some things to think about.

Merry Christmas to all, right and left alike. Peace on Earth, and goodwill towards men.
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Robert Fox
12/25/2015 7:59 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Don't pull the race card. It's Christmas. Wait 'til tomorrow.

Yes, it's Christmas, so I'll stop now. I wasn't trying to give answers, just to give people some things to think about.

Merry Christmas to all, right and left alike. Peace on Earth, and goodwill towards men.
LC, my comment wasn't directed at you. I'd relish the opportunity to meet you over a beer some day. Plenty to discuss. I like your comments on this, and would offer slight push-back, but makes for good conversation.

Merry Christmas to you and yours from the hollers of East Tennessee where a Christmas thunderstorm is now rumbling through and my kids are STILL asleep! Who'd a thunk?
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