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Casper71
12/24/2015 8:53 PM
Watching Cincinnati and San Diego State. Some of us got a like San Diego State running out of the I formation going for it on fourth and one. Showing some balls. Throwing it just enough to keep everybody honest.
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Casper71
12/31/2015 7:13 PM
Now watching Clemson versus Oklahoma. How about the fake punt at midfield. Those coaches at Clemson have some balls. Most coaches would have punted there. still say we should have gone for it on fourth down and showed we have balls too.
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Casper71
12/31/2015 8:00 PM
Quote, we won the game in the trenches. I hope FS&Co gets back to good old hardnose football next year. We need to be much more physical.
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Casper71
1/12/2016 11:12 AM
And, another quote last night after the National Championship game from our fav Ohio State announcer (Herbstreet). If you take a risk you get a reward. Say what you want about him but Saban showed his balls with the on side kick pretty early in the game. He took a risk and showed some balls and got his team back in it. I still wish we had done shown some balls on the fourth down in the bowl game. I know 100% of coaches would kick the field goal to go ahead but that didnt help in the end.

Also must admit that the college game was much better than the pro Cincy vs Pitt game. Now I really know why I like college football more than the pros. Seeing the two stars from opposing teams in an embrace and exchanging words after the game was much better than the pros showing no class whatsoever.
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shabamon
1/12/2016 11:15 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
And, another quote last night after the National Championship game from our fav Ohio State announcer (Herbstreet). If you take a risk you get a reward. Say what you want about him but Saban showed his balls with the on side kick pretty early in the game. He took a risk and showed some balls and got his team back in it. I still wish we had done shown some balls on the fourth down in the bowl game. I know 100% of coaches would kick the field goal to go ahead but that didnt help in the end.

Also must admit that the college game was much better than the pro Cincy vs Pitt game. Now I really know why I like college football more than the pros. Seeing the two stars from opposing teams in an embrace and exchanging words after the game was much better than the pros showing no class whatsoever.
Exception vs. norm much?
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GoCats105
1/12/2016 12:09 PM
The call for the onside by Saban was absolute perfection. I hated it to no end because I wanted to see Clemson win, but it was beautiful.

(1) Because Saban doesn't do those kind of things.

(2) Because Clemson was shredding the Tide D.

(3) Because Clemson had no idea it was coming.
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OhioCatFan
1/13/2016 11:18 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
The call for the onside by Saban was absolute perfection. I hated it to no end because I wanted to see Clemson win, but it was beautiful.

(1) Because Saban doesn't do those kind of things.

(2) Because Clemson was shredding the Tide D.

(3) Because Clemson had no idea it was coming.
Exactly. These things only work if you've established a record of conservative play calling to the point that no one is expecting you'd do anything that's not in your original game plan. I remember in one game when Grobe had an onside's kick at the beginning of half. Everyone was in total shock, especially the receiving team, because no one expected it. OHIO recovered, and as I recall scored on the drive. Anyone recall more detail about this game, who it was against, and who won. I think OHIO won, but I'm not sure.
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Mike Johnson
1/13/2016 11:36 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
The call for the onside by Saban was absolute perfection. I hated it to no end because I wanted to see Clemson win, but it was beautiful.

(1) Because Saban doesn't do those kind of things.

(2) Because Clemson was shredding the Tide D.

(3) Because Clemson had no idea it was coming.
Exactly. These things only work if you've established a record of conservative play calling to the point that no one is expecting you'd do anything that's not in your original game plan. I remember in one game when Grobe had an onside's kick at the beginning of half. Everyone was in total shock, especially the receiving team, because no one expected it. OHIO recovered, and as I recall scored on the drive. Anyone recall more detail about this game, who it was against, and who won. I think OHIO won, but I'm not sure.
We might be thinking of different games. The one that I recall was in 1999 at OSU. Halftime score was 10-10. Grobe ordered an onside kick to begin the 2nd half. OSU recovered.

A few days later I spoke with him by phone. I asked why he made that choice. Here is a close paraphrase of what he said: "In the locker room our kids really believed we could win. I knew we didn't have the depth to stay with Ohio State for four quarters - unless we did something unexpected. I thought if we could surprise OSU to start the second half and score, it might give us the momentum to stay with them and perhaps win. Thus the onside kick."

You might recall that Dontrell Jackson still was only 17 when he started that game.
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OhioCatFan
1/13/2016 11:46 AM
I do remember that OSU game, Mike, but that's not the one I'm thinking about. The game I'm remembering was in Peden Stadium. I don't remember the opponent for sure, but I think it might have been Marshall or Ball State. I think it was a fairly early season league game because I remember the weather was fairly warm. So, maybe Grobe did this twice in his OHIO career and was successful once and failed once -- better than the general onside average. The odds do go up in situations where the other team is not expecting it.
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SBH
1/13/2016 12:44 PM
Mike, you sure that call wasn't a fake punt rather than an onside kick?

Also, no coach used onside kicks more than Cleve Bryant. He once did it to open the second half. Of course, it's the only offensive weapon he had on a few of those teams.
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Ted Thompson
1/13/2016 2:06 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
The call for the onside by Saban was absolute perfection. I hated it to no end because I wanted to see Clemson win, but it was beautiful.

(1) Because Saban doesn't do those kind of things.

(2) Because Clemson was shredding the Tide D.

(3) Because Clemson had no idea it was coming.


Exactly. These things only work if you've established a record of conservative play calling to the point that no one is expecting you'd do anything that's not in your original game plan. I remember in one game when Grobe had an onside's kick at the beginning of half. Everyone was in total shock, especially the receiving team, because no one expected it. OHIO recovered, and as I recall scored on the drive. Anyone recall more detail about this game, who it was against, and who won. I think OHIO won, but I'm not sure.


We might be thinking of different games. The one that I recall was in 1999 at OSU. Halftime score was 10-10. Grobe ordered an onside kick to begin the 2nd half. OSU recovered.

A few days later I spoke with him by phone. I asked why he made that choice. Here is a close paraphrase of what he said: "In the locker room our kids really believed we could win. I knew we didn't have the depth to stay with Ohio State for four quarters - unless we did something unexpected. I thought if we could surprise OSU to start the second half and score, it might give us the momentum to stay with them and perhaps win. Thus the onside kick."

You might recall that Dontrell Jackson still was only 17 when he started that game.

 

I found a play-by-play report (below). Ohio won the toss and deferred. So OSU kicked off to start the 2nd half. There was a 20-yard KO after Ohio tied it at 3-3 but I can't tell if it was onsides or not. Judging from the distance on Kerr's KOs (in bold below), Ohio was sky-kicking the whole game. The failed fake punt attempt that SBH mentioned (also in bold) came with Ohio trailing 17-10.

OU wins toss, defers. OSU to receive, OU to defend north goal.

Kerr, Kevin kickoff 38 yards to the OS27, fair catch by Wisniewski, S. O 1-10 O27 Germany, Reggie sideline pass from Bellisari, S for 15 yards to the OS42, 1ST DOWN OS (London, Chris,Calgaro, Mark). O 1-10 O42 Bellisari, S rush over left end for 10 yards to the OU48, 1ST DOWN OS (Fox, Mike,Walker, David). O 1-10 V48 Martin, Jamar rush up middle for 7 yards to the OU41 (Calgaro, Mark,Fox, Mike). O 2-3 V41 Germany, Reggie sideline pass from Bellisari, S for 9 yards to the OU32, 1ST DOWN OS (White, Donnie). O 1-10 V32 Wiley, Michael rush up middle for 3 yards to the OU29 (Barbour, Leigh,Weilbacher, T.). O 2-7 V29 Wiley, Michael rush over right end for loss of 3 yards to the OU32 (Weikert, Matt,Collins, Steve). O 3-10 V32 Rambo, Ken-Yon from shotgun middle pass from Bellisari, S for 14 yards to the OU18, 1ST DOWN OS (White, Donnie). O 1-10 V18 Martin, Jamar rush over right guard for 4 yards to the OU14 (Washington, D.,Walker, David). O 2-6 V14 Wiley, Michael rush up middle for 1 yard to the OU13 (Weilbacher, T.). O 3-5 V13 Wiley, Michael rush over right end for loss of 1 yard to the OU14 (Calgaro, Mark,Weilbacher, T.). O 4-6 V14 Stultz, Dan field goal attempt from 31 GOOD, clock 09:24.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 0, OHIO STATE 3 ====================

-------------> 11 plays, 59 yards, TOP 05:36

Stultz, Dan kickoff 65 yards to the OU0, downed. V 1-10 V00 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 09:19 (1st). V 1-10 V00 OU ball on OU20. V 1-10 V20 Ray, Raynald rush pitch out left for 6 yards to the OU26 (Berry, Gary,Johnson, Brent). V 2-4 V26 Patterson, J. rush pitch out left for no gain to the OU26 (Diggs, Na'il,Clements, Nate). V 3-4 V26 Ray, Raynald rush reverse for loss of 5 yards to the OU21 (Clements, Nate). V 4-9 V21 Zastudil, Dave punt 49 yards to the OS30, downed. -------------> 3 plays, 1 yards, TOP 01:38

O 1-10 O30 OHIO STATE drive start at 07:41 (1st). O 1-10 O30 OS ball on OS31. O 1-10 O31 Bellisari, S rush up middle for 9 yards to the OS40 (Fox, Mike). O 2-1 O40 Wiley, Michael rush over right guard for 7 yards to the OS47, 1ST DOWN OS (London, Chris,Walker, David). O 1-10 O47 Bellisari, S rush downed the ball for loss of 3 yards to the OS44. O 2-13 O44 Wiley, Michael rush over left tackle for 9 yards to the OU47 (Barbour, Leigh,Fields, Lance). O 3-4 V47 Wiley, Michael rush over left guard for 2 yards to the OU45 (London, Chris). O 4-2 V45 Sander, B. J. punt 15 yards to the OU30, out-of-bounds. -------------> 5 plays, 24 yards, TOP 03:05

V 1-10 V30 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 04:36 (1st). V 1-10 V30 Patterson, J. rush pitch out right for 7 yards to the OU37 (Clements, Nate). V 2-3 V37 Patterson, J. rush up middle for 4 yards to the OU41, 1ST DOWN OU (Collins, Mike,Berry, Gary). V 1-10 V41 Fondale, Joe rush option left for 3 yards to the OU44 (Bailey, Rodney). V 2-7 V44 Fondale, Joe rush option right for 1 yard to the OU45 (Pickett, Ryan). V 3-6 V45 Patterson, J. rush up middle for 16 yards to the OS39, 1ST DOWN OU (Bailey, Rodney). V 1-10 O39 Patterson, J. rush pitch out right for 8 yards to the OS31 (Diggs, Na'il,Clements, Nate). V 2-2 O31 Ray, Raynald rush up middle for 5 yards to the OS26, 1ST DOWN OU (LaVrar, Matt). V 1-10 O26 Jackson, D rush option left for 6 yards to the OS20 (Berry, Gary).

Play-by-Play Summary (2nd quarter)

V 2-4 O20 Start of 2nd quarter, clock 15:00. V 2-4 O20 Jackson, D rush option left for 2 yards to the OS18 (LaVrar, Matt). V 3-2 O18 Ray, Raynald rush pitch out left for no gain to the OS18 (Pickett, Ryan,Diggs, Na'il), PENALTY OU holding 12 yards to the OS30, NO PLAY. V 3-14 O30 Patterson, J. rush over left guard for 3 yards to the OS27 (Bullard, C,Ott, Jason). V 4-11 O27 Kerr, Kevin field goal attempt from 44 GOOD, clock 13:24.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 3, OHIO STATE 3 ====================

-------------> 11 plays, 43 yards, TOP 06:12

Kerr, Kevin kickoff 20 yards to the OS45, King, Percy return 0 yards to the OS45 (Fields, Lance). O 1-10 O45 OHIO STATE drive start at 13:19 (2nd). O 1-10 O45 Rambo, Ken-Yon middle pass from Bellisari, S for 14 yards to the OU41, 1ST DOWN OS (Fields, Lance). O 1-10 V41 Wiley, Michael rush over left end for 5 yards to the OU36 (London, Chris). David Walker hurt, walked off field. O 2-5 V36 Rambo, Ken-Yon sideline pass from Bellisari, S for 10 yards to the OU26, 1ST DOWN OS (White, Bop). O 1-10 V26 Wiley, Michael rush over left end for 11 yards to the OU15, 1ST DOWN OS (London, Chris,White, Bop). O 1-10 V15 Bellisari, S middle pass intercepted by Fields, Lance at OU0, Fields, Lance return 0 yards to the OU0, touchback. -------------> 5 plays, 40 yards, TOP 01:35

V 1-10 V20 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 11:44 (2nd). V 1-10 V20 Jackson, D rush up middle for 3 yards to the OU23 (Diggs, Na'il,Brown, Joe). V 2-7 V23 Ray, Raynald rush reverse for 2 yards to the OU25 (Brown, Joe,Johnson, Brent). V 3-5 V25 Dwyer, Drew sideline pass from Jackson, D for 4 yards to the OU29 (Diggs, Na'il,Berry, Gary). V 4-1 V29 Zastudil, Dave punt 45 yards to the OS26, Clements, Nate return 4 yards to the OS30 (Sellers, Joe,Roden, Jay). -------------> 3 plays, 9 yards, TOP 02:08

O 1-10 O30 OHIO STATE drive start at 09:36 (2nd). O 1-10 O30 Combs, Derek rush over left end for loss of 2 yards to the OS28 (Weilbacher, T.,Calgaro, Mark). O 2-12 O28 Bellisari, S deep pass incomplete to Rambo, Ken-Yon. O 3-12 O28 Bellisari, S sacked for loss of 7 yards to the OS21 (Baskin, Greg). O 4-19 O21 Sander, B. J. punt 34 yards to the OU45, out-of-bounds. -------------> 3 plays, -9 yards, TOP 01:22

V 1-10 V45 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 08:14 (2nd). V 1-10 V45 Jackson, D rush up middle for 4 yards to the OU49 (Bullard, C,Cotton, James). V 2-6 V49 Jackson, D rush option right for 5 yards to the OS46 (Collins, Mike). V 3-1 O46 Patterson, J. rush up middle for 1 yard to the OS45, 1ST DOWN OU (Bailey, Rodney,Pickett, Ryan). V 1-10 O45 Patterson, J. sideline pass from Jackson, D for 15 yards to the OS30, 1ST DOWN OU (Nickey, Donnie). V 1-10 O30 Jackson, D rush option left for no gain to the OS30 (Johnson, Brent). V 2-10 O30 Jackson, D rush option right for 4 yards to the OS26 (Bullard, C). V 3-6 O26 Dwyer, Drew middle pass from Jackson, D for 19 yards to the OS7, 1ST DOWN OU (Clements, Nate), PENALTY OS roughing passer 4 yards to the OS3. V 1-3 O03 1st and 3. V 1-3 O03 Brinker, Chad rush up middle for 3 yards to the OS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 04:26. Kerr, Kevin kick attempt good.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 10, OHIO STATE 3 ====================

-------------> 8 plays, 55 yards, TOP 03:48

Kerr, Kevin kickoff 31 yards to the OS34, fair catch by Wisniewski, S. O 1-10 O34 OHIO STATE drive start at 04:21 (2nd). O 1-10 O34 Bellisari, S middle pass incomplete to Wisniewski, S (Walker, David). O 2-10 O34 Bellisari, S sideline pass incomplete to Germany, Reggie (Barbour, Leigh), PENALTY OU offside defense 5 yards to the OS39, NO PLAY. O 2-5 O39 Wiley, Michael rush up middle for 3 yards to the OS42 (Barbour, Leigh,Kraus, John). O 3-2 O42 Martin, Jamar rush up middle for 3 yards to the OS45, 1ST DOWN OS (Kraus, John,Calgaro, Mark). O 1-10 O45 Bellisari, S sideline pass incomplete to Germany, Reggie. O 2-10 O45 Germany, Reggie sideline pass from Bellisari, S for 9 yards to the OU46. O 3-1 V46 Bellisari, S rush up middle for 2 yards to the OU44, 1ST DOWN OS (Adams, Art,Kraus, John). O 1-10 V44 Rambo, Ken-Yon middle pass from Bellisari, S for 24 yards to the OU20, 1ST DOWN OS (London, Chris,Walker, David). O 1-10 V20 Bellisari, S middle pass incomplete to Rambo, Ken-Yon (White, Bop). O 2-10 V20 Wiley, Michael rush up middle for 5 yards to the OU15 (Walker, David). O 3-5 V15 Rambo, Ken-Yon slant pass from Bellisari, S for 15 yards to the OU0, 1ST DOWN OS, TOUCHDOWN, clock 01:21. Stultz, Dan kick attempt good.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 10, OHIO STATE 10 ====================

-------------> 10 plays, 66 yards, TOP 03:00

Stultz, Dan kickoff 62 yards to the OU3, Caesar, Jason return 25 yards to the OU28 (Mitchell, David). V 1-10 V28 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 01:16 (2nd). Warnke hurt on kickoff V 1-10 V28 Patterson, J. rush reverse for 3 yards to the OU31 (Bailey, Rodney,Collins, Mike). V 2-7 V31 Ray, Raynald rush up middle for 3 yards to the OU34 (Pickett, Ryan). V 3-4 V34 End of 1st half, clock 00:00.

Play-by-Play Summary (3rd quarter)

V 3-4 V34 Start of 3rd quarter, clock 15:00. OU elects to receive. OSU to defend North goal. V 3-4 V34 OS ball on OS35. -------------> 2 plays, 6 yards, TOP 01:16

Stultz, Dan kickoff 61 yards to the OU4, Caesar, Jason return 24 yards to the OU28 (Doss, Michael). V 1-10 V28 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 14:51 (3rd). V 1-10 V28 Jackson, D rush option right for 6 yards to the OU34 (Berry, Gary). V 2-4 V34 Ray, Raynald rush up middle for 14 yards to the OU48, 1ST DOWN OU (Nickey, Donnie). V 1-10 V48 Jackson, D rush option right for 5 yards to the OS47 (Berry, Gary,Nickey, Donnie). V 2-5 O47 Jackson, D rush option right for loss of 3 yards to the OU50 (Clements, Nate). V 3-8 V50 Jackson, D sideline pass incomplete to Caesar, Jason. V 4-8 V50 Zastudil, Dave punt 50 yards to the OS0, touchback. -------------> 5 plays, 22 yards, TOP 02:45

O 1-10 O20 OHIO STATE drive start at 12:06 (3rd). O 1-10 O20 Wiley, Michael rush over left tackle for loss of 2 yards to the OS18 (Martin, Lamar). O 2-12 O18 Bellisari, S rush downed the ball for loss of 5 yards to the OS13. O 3-17 O13 Rambo, Ken-Yon from shotgun middle pass from Bellisari, S for 36 yards to the OS49, 1ST DOWN OS (Walker, David). O 1-10 O49 Bellisari, S slant pass incomplete to Cacchio, Chad. O 2-10 O49 Provitt, Vaness slant pass from Bellisari, S for 13 yards to the OU38, 1ST DOWN OS. O 1-10 V38 Wiley, Michael rush over left end for 37 yards to the OU1, 1ST DOWN OS (Walker, David). O 1-1 V01 Wiley, Michael rush over right tackle for 1 yard to the OU0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 09:52. Stultz, Dan kick attempt good.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 10, OHIO STATE 17 ====================

-------------> 7 plays, 80 yards, TOP 02:14

Stultz, Dan kickoff 63 yards to the OU2, Caesar, Jason return 21 yards to the OU23 (Cooper, Joe). V 1-10 V23 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 09:44 (3rd). V 1-10 V23 Jackson, D rush option left for loss of 2 yards to the OU21 (Bailey, Rodney). V 2-12 V21 Brinker, Chad rush up middle for loss of 1 yard to the OU20 (Cotton, James). V 3-13 V20 Fondale, Joe SW pass from Jackson, D for 4 yards to the OU24 (Diggs, Na'il). V 4-9 V24 Zastudil, Dave rush up middle for loss of 9 yards to the OU15 (Locke, Tony). -------------> 4 plays, -8 yards, TOP 02:10

O 1-10 V15 OHIO STATE drive start at 07:34 (3rd). Fake punt end around attempt O 1-10 V15 Wiley, Michael rush over left tackle for 15 yards to the OU0, 1ST DOWN OS, TOUCHDOWN, clock 07:27. Stultz, Dan kick attempt good.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 10, OHIO STATE 24 ====================

-------------> 1 plays, 15 yards, TOP 00:07

Stultz, Dan kickoff 64 yards to the OU1, Caesar, Jason return 18 yards to the OU19 (Doss, Michael). V 1-10 V19 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 07:18 (3rd). V 1-10 V19 Ray, Raynald rush option left for 12 yards to the OU31, 1ST DOWN OU (Berry, Gary). V 1-10 V31 Ray, Raynald sideline pass from Jackson, D for 18 yards to the OU49, 1ST DOWN OU (Berry, Gary). V 1-10 V49 Ray, Raynald rush option left for loss of 1 yard to the OU48 (Diggs, Na'il). V 2-11 V48 Ray, Raynald rush up middle for loss of 1 yard to the OU47 (Pagac, Fred). V 3-12 V47 Ray, Raynald rush pitch out left for loss of 2 yards to the OU45 (Pickett, Ryan). V 4-14 V45 Zastudil, Dave punt 35 yards to the OS20, fair catch by Clements, Nate. -------------> 5 plays, 26 yards, TOP 02:47

O 1-10 O20 OHIO STATE drive start at 04:31 (3rd). O 1-10 O20 Martin, Jamar rush up middle for 12 yards to the OS32, 1ST DOWN OS (Duffy, Duffer,Spitler, Matt). O 1-10 O32 Rambo, Ken-Yon crossing pass from Bellisari, S for 68 yards to the OU0, 1ST DOWN OS, TOUCHDOWN, clock 03:55. Stultz, Dan kick attempt good.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 10, OHIO STATE 31 ====================

-------------> 2 plays, 80 yards, TOP 00:36

Stultz, Dan kickoff 65 yards to the OU0, Caesar, Jason return 19 yards to the OU19 (Mitchell, David,Wilhelm, Matt). V 1-10 V19 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 03:46 (3rd). V 1-10 V19 Jackson, D rush option left for 3 yards to the OU22 (Berry, Gary,LaVrar, Matt). D. Jackson hurt, helped off field. D. Jordan enters at QB V 2-7 V22 Jordan, Dan deep out pass incomplete to Dwyer, Drew (Berry, Gary). V 3-7 V22 Jordan, Dan sacked for loss of 8 yards to the OU14 (Long, Paris). V 4-15 V14 Zastudil, Dave punt 47 yards to the OS39, Clements, Nate return 22 yards to the OU39 (Barbour, Leigh). -------------> 3 plays, -5 yards, TOP 01:28

O 1-10 V39 OHIO STATE drive start at 02:18 (3rd). O 1-10 V39 Stead, Nate rush up middle for 5 yards to the OU34 (Weikert, Matt). O 2-5 V34 Bellisari, S middle pass incomplete to Sanders, D. O 3-5 V34 Bellisari, S crossing pass incomplete to Cacchio, Chad. O 4-5 V34 Combs, Derek from shotgun middle pass from Bellisari, S to the OU18, fumble forced by Baskin, Greg, fumble by Combs, Derek recovered by OS Combs, Derek at OU18, 1ST DOWN OS. O 1-10 V18 Combs, Derek rush over left end for 4 yards to the OU14 (Sellers, Joe,Fox, Mike). O 2-6 V14 Timeout OU, clock 00:52. O 2-6 V14 Combs, Derek rush over left tackle for no gain to the OU14 (Martin, Lamar). O 3-6 V14 Bellisari, S SW pass incomplete to Combs, Derek. O 4-6 V14 Stultz, Dan field goal attempt from 31 GOOD, clock 00:07.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 10, OHIO STATE 34 ====================

-------------> 8 plays, 25 yards, TOP 02:11

Stultz, Dan kickoff 61 yards to the OU4, Caesar, Jason return 5 yards to the OU9. V 1-10 V09 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 00:00 (3rd).

Play-by-Play Summary (4th quarter)

V 1-10 V09 Start of 4th quarter, clock 15:00. V 1-10 V09 Clock 15:00. D. Jordan at quarterback V 1-10 V09 Brinker, Chad rush pitch out right for 9 yards to the OU18 (Clements, Nate,Queen, Heath). P. Long and H. Queen helped off field. V 2-1 V18 Brinker, Chad rush over left guard for 3 yards to the OU21, 1ST DOWN OU (Pagac, Fred,Cooper, Joe). V 1-10 V21 Jordan, Dan rush option left for 1 yard to the OU22 (Pickett, Ryan,Cooper, Joe). V 2-9 V22 Caesar, Jason rush reverse for no gain to the OU22 (Pagac, Fred,Berry, Gary). V 3-9 V22 Jordan, Dan slant pass incomplete to Caesar, Jason. V 4-9 V22 Zastudil, Dave punt 38 yards to the OS40, fair catch by Clements, Nate. -------------> 5 plays, 13 yards, TOP 02:19

O 1-10 O40 OHIO STATE drive start at 12:41 (4th). A. Moherman to quarterback. O 1-10 O40 Cacchio, Chad slant pass from Moherman, A for 16 yards to the OU44, 1ST DOWN OS (White, Bop). O 1-10 V44 Westbrooks, J rush up middle to the OU45, fumble forced by Washington, D., fumble by Westbrooks, J recovered by OU Washington, D. at OU45. -------------> 2 plays, 15 yards, TOP 00:31

V 1-10 V45 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 12:10 (4th). V 1-10 V45 Brinker, Chad rush for 8 yards to the OS47. V 2-2 O47 Ray, Raynald pass from Jordan, Dan for 18 yards to the OS29, 1ST DOWN OU (Nickey, Donnie). V 1-10 O29 Jordan, Dan rush for 5 yards to the OS24 (Cotton, James). V 2-5 O24 Timeout OS, clock 10:52. V 2-5 O24 Ray, Raynald rush pitch out left for 4 yards to the OS20 (Wayne, Clinton). V 3-1 O20 Brooks, Keith rush up middle for 2 yards to the OS18, 1ST DOWN OU (Cooper, Joe,Collins, Mike). V 1-10 O18 Fondale, Joe rush option left for 8 yards to the OS10 (Cheatwood, Tim). V 2-2 O10 Patterson, J. rush over right guard for no gain to the OS10 (Bailey, Rodney). V 3-2 O10 Patterson, J. rush pitch out right for 10 yards to the OS0, 1ST DOWN OU, TOUCHDOWN, clock 08:31. Jordan, Dan rush attempt failed.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 16, OHIO STATE 34 ====================

-------------> 8 plays, 55 yards, TOP 03:39

Kerr, Kevin kickoff 25 yards to the OS40, fair catch by Germany, Reggie. O 1-10 O40 OHIO STATE drive start at 08:27 (4th). O 1-10 O40 Martin, Jamar rush up middle for 1 yard to the OS41 (Kraus, John). O 2-9 O41 Moherman, A sideline pass incomplete to Provitt, Vaness. O 3-9 O41 Provitt, Vaness middle pass from Moherman, A for 22 yards to the OU37 (Walker, David), PENALTY OS holding 10 yards to the OS31, NO PLAY. O 3-19 O31 Wiley, Michael rush draw play for 4 yards to the OS35 (Weilbacher, T.). O 4-15 O35 Stultz, Dan punt 36 yards to the OU29, Ray, Raynald return to the OU29, fumble by Ray, Raynald recovered by OS Houser, Kevin at OU31. -------------> 3 plays, -5 yards, TOP 01:57

O 1-10 V31 OHIO STATE drive start at 06:30 (4th). O 1-10 V31 PENALTY OS substitution infraction 5 yards to the OU36. O 1-15 V36 Stead, Nate sideline pass from Moherman, A for 10 yards to the OU26 (Weilbacher, T.). O 2-5 V26 Wiley, Michael rush over left end for 1 yard to the OU25 (Swenson, David,Sellers, Joe). O 3-4 V25 Combs, Derek rush draw play for 2 yards to the OU23 (Spitler, Matt). O 4-2 V23 Moherman, A rush over left end for 3 yards to the OU20, 1ST DOWN OS, out-of-bounds. O 1-10 V20 Combs, Derek rush pitch out right for 20 yards to the OU0, PENALTY OS holding 10 yards to the OU30, NO PLAY. O 1-20 V30 Moherman, A flag pass incomplete to Cacchio, Chad. O 2-20 V30 Moherman, A pass intercepted by Sellers, Joe at OU0, Sellers, Joe return 0 yards to the OU0, touchback. -------------> 6 plays, 1 yards, TOP 02:26

V 1-10 V20 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 04:04 (4th). V 1-10 V20 Patterson, J. rush pitch out right for 5 yards to the OU25 (Cooper, Joe). V 2-5 V25 Jordan, Dan sideline pass incomplete to Ray, Raynald. V 3-5 V25 Patterson, J. rush up middle for 14 yards to the OU39 (King, Percy,Cooper, Joe), PENALTY OU holding 14 yards to the OU11, NO PLAY. V 3-19 V11 Patterson, J. rush over right tackle for loss of 2 yards to the OU9 (Wilhelm, Matt). V 4-21 V09 Zastudil, Dave punt 59 yards to the OS32, Clements, Nate return 15 yards to the OS47 (Nanji, Ewane). -------------> 3 plays, -11 yards, TOP 02:03

O 1-10 O47 OHIO STATE drive start at 02:01 (4th). O 1-10 O47 Combs, Derek rush pitch out left for 17 yards to the OU36, 1ST DOWN OS (Sellers, Joe). O 1-10 V36 Combs, Derek rush over left end for 1 yard to the OU35 (White, Bop,Sellers, Joe), PENALTY OU unsportsmanlike conduct 15 yards to the OU20, 1ST DOWN OS. O 1-10 V20 1st and 10. O 1-10 V20 Combs, Derek rush up middle for 5 yards to the OU15 (Spitler, Matt,Nanji, Ewane). O 2-5 V15 Combs, Derek rush over left end for 15 yards to the OU0, 1ST DOWN OS, TOUCHDOWN, clock 01:03. Bellisari, S rush attempt failed.

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 16, OHIO STATE 40 ====================

-------------> 4 plays, 53 yards, TOP 00:58

Klaban, Eric kickoff 60 yards to the OU5, Brinker, Chad return 21 yards to the OU26 (Cooper, Joe,Wilhelm, Matt). V 1-10 V26 OHIO UNIVERSITY drive start at 00:58 (4th). V 1-10 V26 Brinker, Chad rush pitch out right for loss of 4 yards to the OU22 (Doss, Michael). V 2-14 V22 Fondale, Joe rush option left for 5 yards to the OU27 (Lindsay, Kelton,Pagac, Fred). V 3-9 V27 End of 2nd half, clock 00:00. -------------> 2 plays, 1 yards, TOP 00:58

FINAL SCORE

==================== ==================== OHIO UNIVERSITY 16, OHIO STATE 40 ==================== 

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Mike Johnson
1/13/2016 5:27 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Mike, you sure that call wasn't a fake punt rather than an onside kick?

Also, no coach used onside kicks more than Cleve Bryant. He once did it to open the second half. Of course, it's the only offensive weapon he had on a few of those teams.
You could well be right.

Wasn't the final score of that game 40-16?

I think the Vegas spread was something like OSU by 35.

I had three sources of tickets for that game but needed to be in China on business. While there, knowing the time difference, I phoned my late wife Lynne when I knew the game had ended. Before she even said "Hi," Lynne said, "It wasn't as bad as you thought it would be."

It was after returning stateside that I phoned Grobe at home. His wife Holly answered. This was during my years as pres of the Akron-Canton Alumni Chapter, and a nice friendship had formed with Jim & Holly. When I explained my reason for phoning, she said that "Jim was really proud of the boys." He echoed his pride in the team after taking the phone. Grobe was easy to like and respect.
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OhioCatFan
1/13/2016 6:45 PM
I do remember the fake punt. Grobe explained after the game that it was not a called fake. The punter was always given the green light to run or pass if he saw an opportunity. Grobe said that Ohio State had lined up with a guy uncovered and that the punter had made a reasonable decision to go for it. As I recall he came fairly close to the line to gain. But, this is one of those cases where close doesn't count. I remember at the time being very proud of Grobe for not throwing the player under the bus, and saying that he had made a reasonable call, even though it had been unsuccessful and kind of opened the flood gates.
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Ted Thompson
1/13/2016 7:17 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I do remember the fake punt. Grobe explained after the game that it was not a called fake. The punter was always given the green light to run or pass if he saw an opportunity. Grobe said that Ohio State had lined up with a guy uncovered and that the punter had made a reasonable decision to go for it. As I recall he came fairly close to the line to gain. But, this is one of those cases where close doesn't count. I remember at the time being very proud of Grobe for not throwing the player under the bus, and saying that he had made a reasonable call, even though it had been unsuccessful and kind of opened the flood gates. 

As you can see in the box score, it wasn't close. It was 4th-and-9 and he lost 9. He was swallowed up immediately. 

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OhioCatFan
1/13/2016 10:05 PM
Hmm ... So you are believing contemporaraneus notes and reporting over the memory of a delusional fan? Well, at least I remembered it was a punt and not an onside kick. :-). This reminds me of the major discrepancies you find between wartime reporting of battles during the late Slaveholders Rebellion and what many veterans said and wrote years later. [Obligatory Civil War reference; always my get-out-jail-free card when I have no real comeback except to admit I was wrong, which is not part of recognized fan board etiquette.]
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Mike Johnson
1/14/2016 9:47 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Mike, you sure that call wasn't a fake punt rather than an onside kick?

Also, no coach used onside kicks more than Cleve Bryant. He once did it to open the second half. Of course, it's the only offensive weapon he had on a few of those teams.
Here is the Clev Bryant onside kick call as I remember it - and my memory might be a tad off.

Ohio was hosting CMU and was a decided underdog. A minute or two before halftime, Ohio scored to take a lead - and Clev ordered an onside kick. CMU recovered and quickly drove for the go-ahead score. I had two immediate thoughts:
* CMU will swamp Ohio in the 2nd half - which happened.
* That call will cost Clev his job. Not sure if that was the proximate cause of his firing after that season.
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