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OhioStunter
1/12/2016 6:23 PM
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OhioStunter, back in the day I had discussions with an "academic advisor" who tried to steer me toward some easier classes during the season. I told them I was my own advisor and I needed to take certain classes to pursue my business degree. I had a goal of graduating in 4 years. I struggled and got decent grades, nothing to brag about, but accomplished my goal. I'm far better off for navigating the system and not allowing myself to be led down a path that was not for me. They have the responsibility to themselves to try and succeed.
Couldn't agree more. But I would take a wild guess that you are a pretty smart guy who is (was) ambitious about a pro business career. That's important because many who come into major college programs are not. Yes, it is their responsibility to own their own educational direction, but let's all agree that many of them are there to "play football" and that's their priority (right or wrong). Their choice, their consequence.

But those who really are NOT good students and realistically have no business going to some of these universities academically rely on academic counseling are steered toward classes and majors that are easy. They've never had a support system like that so they trust what the program tells them to do.

Big college football* knows exactly who they are bringing into their programs -- guys who will help them win and make the coaches and school millions. Not guys who want good degrees. They can claim they will give them an opportunity for an education and then when the players don't complete the education, the school seems surprised, throws their hands up and says, well, we put them in a position to get a degree (then goes back to counting their money).

*Note: I really am only talking about the major schools here. I understand that many other schools, Ohio included, do care more about the academic development of football and basketball players. And yes, the Stanfords, Notre Dames, Northwesterns and military academies of the world are also different in how they approach student-athletes.
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The Optimist
1/12/2016 6:23 PM
Interestingly enough, the majors that aren't lucrative seem to be the fields where the professors have the biggest problem with our football program.

Maybe they realize football players could flash a spotlight on the unsustainable nature of their own programs?
Last Edited: 1/12/2016 6:24:58 PM by The Optimist
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
1/12/2016 6:30 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Interestingly enough, the majors that aren't lucrative seem to be the fields where the professors have the biggest problem with our football program.

Maybe they realize football players could flash a spotlight on the unsustainable nature of their own programs?
Do you have any data to back this up?
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Paul Graham
1/12/2016 6:37 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Interestingly enough, the majors that aren't lucrative seem to be the fields where the professors have the biggest problem with our football program.

Maybe they realize football players could flash a spotlight on the unsustainable nature of their own programs?
How exactly could the football program bring down the Classics and World Religions Department? And what evidence do you have that it's "unsustainable?"
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Mike Johnson
1/13/2016 9:51 AM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
A friend of mine's son got into Stanford on a football scholarship.

As soon as he ws accepted he got a got a diet and exercise program for football.

Nothing similar on the academic side.

He wanted to major in pre-med.
He was smart,but didn't concentrate on academics in high school.

The coaches told him that with the time demands for football and his academic history he'd never be able to keep up and stay elibible,even with tutors.

They told him to take an easier major and,if he was still interested in pre-med,do it after his playing days (college/pro) were over.
Interesting...While I was at Stanford (GSB), I had a long chat with one of the Cardinal football players. His take on his teammates went as follows: They had done well in HS and on college boards, there were no easy majors and expectations were high.

Perhaps things have changed since back in that day. Although I do recall during Stanford's bowl win announcers citing McCaffrey's difficult major and the program's 99% grad rate.
You can see all the majors of football players by school here...

http://bit.ly/1OoVNN8

One interesting thing w.r.t Stanford. Computer Science is the #1 major at Stanford right now...and with Google and FB right down the street and paying 6 figure signing bonuses right out of undergrad that should not be much of a surprise. And yet no FB player is enrolled in that major.

I think that backs up rpbobcat's point about football players - even at Stanford - being directed away from certain majors.

Of course, the point is not that these players are going to starve after they graduate. Just that the "payment" solely of free tuition comes with some caveats.
I just checked the link you provided. For Stanford majors of only 35 players are showing. Among those 35 I didn't see any majors often regarded as "easier": Parks & Rec Mgt, Criminology, Special Studies, Exercise Physiology. I did see that most of the 35 were tech and engrg related. You have aroused my curiosity, though, sufficient to check whether any "easier" majors are available at Stanford.
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giacomo
1/13/2016 3:19 PM
Stunter, I remember thinking that I had a golden opportunity and didn't want to waste it. My parents did not go to college and I could go and it didn't cost them anything! I avoided trouble always because I was visible on campus and knew if I got drunk, etc. people would find out and I could lose my scholarship. I didn't have any lofty goals other than to graduate in 4 years. Playing a sport certainly made demands on my time, but I figured it out.

You make some good points about the big "machine" that is college athletics. I don't have the answers. If you had minor league football and basketball more players would truly be student athletes. But we don't and the next question is how much responsibility lies with the student athlete? If they can't do the work and are not prepared, how can they succeed? If you coddle them and they hang around a while, or even get a sham degree, are they better off if they didn't have that experience? Jerry Tarkanian always thought so, so he justified his actions when he was at UNLV. I'm not sure.
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FormerCat-Dad
1/15/2016 10:53 AM
There is currently a class action suit against EA Sports and the NCAA for using the names and likeness of players in video games.

60 Million Settlement Approved in NCAA Video Game Lawsuit
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/18/sports/ncaa-video-game-...

Awards are based on a points system for each member of the lawsuit.

This is real money. I have first hand experience in this.
Last Edited: 1/15/2016 10:56:00 AM by FormerCat-Dad
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OhioStunter
1/17/2016 1:39 AM
A case where name and likeness of athletes are licensed by the NCAA and resulting monies made for entertainment purposes are ruled owed to the athletes.

It seems to set a precedent for future litigation.
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