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UpSan Bobcat
2/29/2016 8:20 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/insider/story...

All of them ranked 1-64. Ohio is 38th. Here is what it says on Ohio:
Solich brought credibility and consistency to Athens, and as one former MAC coach said, "He's made that place." But the job still has inherent challenges, including a remote location, which has hampered Bobcat coaches for decades.

The top 5 are UCF, Boise State, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU.
MAC rankings are: 16. Northern Illinois, 18. Toledo, 19. Bowling Green, 25. Central Michigan, 28. Western Michigan, 35. Miami, 38. Ohio, 45. Akron, 51. Ball State, 58. Kent State, 59. Buffalo, 63. Eastern Michigan.

The bottom 5 are Charlotte, UMass, Idaho, Eastern Michigan and New Mexico State.
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shabamon
2/29/2016 8:51 PM
I question ranking Central that much higher than us.
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Panda
2/29/2016 10:01 PM
They have won championships and coaches have moved to great jobs
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Gallia Cat
2/29/2016 10:06 PM
Central's not remote?
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OhioCatFan
3/1/2016 12:43 AM
Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
Central's not remote?
This is flatlander bias!
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shabamon
3/1/2016 8:22 AM
Panda wrote:expand_more
They have won championships and coaches have moved to great jobs
Location and access to talent in recruiting: Ohio
Financial support: Ohio
Facilities or future facilities: CMU, I think
Fan interest: Ohio
Expectations: CMU
Recent and historic results: CMU
Movement of coaches to Power 5 positions and the program's appeal to possible Power 5 suitors: CMU, but if Solich were in his 40s, I think he would be more heavily courted to Power 5 jobs
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Monroe Slavin
3/1/2016 10:09 AM
Very, very difficult to believe. Teams want to bring in milestone winners, not guys who've achieved very, very average records in weak conferences.

Picture this: P5 school announces hire of coach who routinely gets blown out 3-4 times a year by an average of about four touchdowns. Yeah, at Washington or Penn State or Florida etc, etc the fans would be excited by that.
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OU_Country
3/1/2016 11:55 AM
No one is talking about Miami being ahead of Ohio in this? :)
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Mike Johnson
3/1/2016 2:10 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/insider/story...

All of them ranked 1-64. Ohio is 38th. Here is what it says on Ohio:
Solich brought credibility and consistency to Athens, and as one former MAC coach said, "He's made that place." But the job still has inherent challenges, including a remote location, which has hampered Bobcat coaches for decades.

The top 5 are UCF, Boise State, Houston, Cincinnati and BYU.
MAC rankings are: 16. Northern Illinois, 18. Toledo, 19. Bowling Green, 25. Central Michigan, 28. Western Michigan, 35. Miami, 38. Ohio, 45. Akron, 51. Ball State, 58. Kent State, 59. Buffalo, 63. Eastern Michigan.

The bottom 5 are Charlotte, UMass, Idaho, Eastern Michigan and New Mexico State.
Isn't NIU as far removed from Chicago as Ohio is from Columbus?

And Mt. Pleasant is a 2-hr drive north from Detroit - as if Detroit would be a magnet for would-be Chips.
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L.C.
3/1/2016 5:50 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
No one is talking about Miami being ahead of Ohio in this? :)

That is probably because it is just a pointless off-season list of no significance that is doesn't change or affect anything. In any case, clearly a decade ago the Miami job would have been more desirable than it is today, and certainly the Ohio job is much more desirable today than it would have been a decade ago.
Last Edited: 3/1/2016 6:18:13 PM by L.C.
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TWT
3/2/2016 2:00 AM
If you are talking about recruiting, Ohio is the closest MAC school to Georgia and Florida. That is a big advantage over Central Michigan. The time to Columbus from Athens has been cut nearly in half from 20 years ago. Athens I think will always have that remote tag though located in the Wayne National Forest over Miami even if the time to get to a major city is the same.
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Scott Woods
3/2/2016 7:49 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
If you are talking about recruiting, Ohio is the closest MAC school to Georgia and Florida. That is a big advantage over Central Michigan. The time to Columbus from Athens has been cut nearly in half from 20 years ago. Athens I think will always have that remote tag though located in the Wayne National Forest over Miami even if the time to get to a major city is the same.
The Wayne is awesome isn't it?
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D.A.
3/2/2016 10:14 AM
If you remove the inherent bias of considering recent successes due to the coaching in place over the last few years, I think BG and OHIO might both be rated a little too high, but feel the list is spot on regarding rating the present state of the MAC. (and without the benefit of being an insider to read the entire column)
Last Edited: 3/2/2016 10:15:03 AM by D.A.
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UpSan Bobcat
3/2/2016 10:17 AM
Regarding Miami, the article says:
The consensus: Miami is underachieving big time. There's a winning tradition, great coaching roots, resources, a beautiful campus and strong academics to sell. A Group of 5 AD said Miami should be the MAC's best job. It's 13-47 since 2011.

As for NIU: "If you're a MAC player in Ohio, you have seven schools," an agent said. "If you're a MAC-caliber player in Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin or Minnesota, you're closest to Northern. That's a huge advantage."
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Alan Swank
3/2/2016 2:00 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
If you are talking about recruiting, Ohio is the closest MAC school to Georgia and Florida. That is a big advantage over Central Michigan. The time to Columbus from Athens has been cut nearly in half from 20 years ago. Athens I think will always have that remote tag though located in the Wayne National Forest over Miami even if the time to get to a major city is the same.
Cut time in half? It takes 80 minutes from my house on the east side to the airport today. It never took 160 minutes.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
3/2/2016 4:25 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
If you are talking about recruiting, Ohio is the closest MAC school to Georgia and Florida. That is a big advantage over Central Michigan. The time to Columbus from Athens has been cut nearly in half from 20 years ago. Athens I think will always have that remote tag though located in the Wayne National Forest over Miami even if the time to get to a major city is the same.
Cut time in half? It takes 80 minutes from my house on the east side to the airport today. It never took 160 minutes.
The time savings on the bypasses has been exaggerated for years. From the time of concept to beyond completion. Lancaster saves you five minutes except for the absolute worst traffic days and Nelsonville maybe three-five minutes.
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Monroe Slavin
3/2/2016 8:25 PM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
If you remove the inherent bias of considering recent successes due to the coaching in place over the last few years, I think BG and OHIO might both be rated a little too high, but feel the list is spot on regarding rating the present state of the MAC. (and without the benefit of being an insider to read the entire column)
At Ohio??
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UpSan Bobcat
3/2/2016 9:33 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
If you are talking about recruiting, Ohio is the closest MAC school to Georgia and Florida. That is a big advantage over Central Michigan. The time to Columbus from Athens has been cut nearly in half from 20 years ago. Athens I think will always have that remote tag though located in the Wayne National Forest over Miami even if the time to get to a major city is the same.
Cut time in half? It takes 80 minutes from my house on the east side to the airport today. It never took 160 minutes.
The time savings on the bypasses has been exaggerated for years. From the time of concept to beyond completion. Lancaster saves you five minutes except for the absolute worst traffic days and Nelsonville maybe three-five minutes.
There's also a speed limit increase for portions of the road. I'd say I save about 15 minutes on average from 10 years ago. But there were times in both Lancaster and Nelsonville where bad traffic added sometimes 30 minutes or more.
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TWT
3/2/2016 10:59 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
If you are talking about recruiting, Ohio is the closest MAC school to Georgia and Florida. That is a big advantage over Central Michigan. The time to Columbus from Athens has been cut nearly in half from 20 years ago. Athens I think will always have that remote tag though located in the Wayne National Forest over Miami even if the time to get to a major city is the same.
Cut time in half? It takes 80 minutes from my house on the east side to the airport today. It never took 160 minutes.
The time savings on the bypasses has been exaggerated for years. From the time of concept to beyond completion. Lancaster saves you five minutes except for the absolute worst traffic days and Nelsonville maybe three-five minutes.
There's also a speed limit increase for portions of the road. I'd say I save about 15 minutes on average from 10 years ago. But there were times in both Lancaster and Nelsonville where bad traffic added sometimes 30 minutes or more.
There was a lot of stoplights between 270 and Lancaster that could take 5 minutes a piece. It could be easily 90 minutes from 270 down to Athens now it can be done in 45 minutes. Perception of Athens as remote will always hold because of the location in the Wayne. There is more to do in Athens than all but a few cities in Ohio.
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TWT
3/2/2016 11:09 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Regarding Miami, the article says:
The consensus: Miami is underachieving big time. There's a winning tradition, great coaching roots, resources, a beautiful campus and strong academics to sell. A Group of 5 AD said Miami should be the MAC's best job. It's 13-47 since 2011.
That AD is living in the past. Cincinnati's rise has been at the expense of Miami. Miami was a little state school to be proud of but in recent decades has become elitist. Elitism didn't catch up to Miami football for a while since they had a great program but that blue collar football attitude is now gone. It's a soft program with talented but soft players. They have no viable path to a New Year's bowl game.
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D.A.
3/3/2016 1:44 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
If you remove the inherent bias of considering recent successes due to the coaching in place over the last few years, I think BG and OHIO might both be rated a little too high, but feel the list is spot on regarding rating the present state of the MAC. (and without the benefit of being an insider to read the entire column)
At Ohio??
Yes, at OHIO and BG. Based on the statement above from the writer, they are stating a bias for OHIO's ranking based on what Frank has done over the last 11 years. Remove that bias, and what is likely a similar bias for what Clawson/Babers have achieved in recent history at BG, then base the ranking just on the facilities, markets and the entire history of the programs without bias to recent achievements, and I posit that BG and OHIO are ranked higher than they should be.
Last Edited: 3/3/2016 1:45:15 PM by D.A.
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OU_Country
3/3/2016 4:17 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
If you are talking about recruiting, Ohio is the closest MAC school to Georgia and Florida. That is a big advantage over Central Michigan. The time to Columbus from Athens has been cut nearly in half from 20 years ago. Athens I think will always have that remote tag though located in the Wayne National Forest over Miami even if the time to get to a major city is the same.
Cut time in half? It takes 80 minutes from my house on the east side to the airport today. It never took 160 minutes.
The time savings on the bypasses has been exaggerated for years. From the time of concept to beyond completion. Lancaster saves you five minutes except for the absolute worst traffic days and Nelsonville maybe three-five minutes.
There's also a speed limit increase for portions of the road. I'd say I save about 15 minutes on average from 10 years ago. But there were times in both Lancaster and Nelsonville where bad traffic added sometimes 30 minutes or more.
There was a lot of stoplights between 270 and Lancaster that could take 5 minutes a piece. It could be easily 90 minutes from 270 down to Athens now it can be done in 45 minutes. Perception of Athens as remote will always hold because of the location in the Wayne. There is more to do in Athens than all but a few cities in Ohio.
Agree on the time, and the "things to do" in Athens. We make summer trips to SE Ohio just to hike and visit the wineries and breweries. It's a great long weekend.

Time from Columbus to Athens is notably faster than in years past. "Half" might be a stretch, but I'm here to tell ya, those bypasses save more than 5 minutes and 3 minutes respectively. If that's all it saves you, you're going mighty slow. I live off the Hilliard-Rome exit in Cbus. Coming home from Athens on any game day, I can get home in 1:15 without going more than 7-8 over the posted speed limit. The completion of the overpass (bypassing the light) through Carroll could knock as much as 5 minutes off that time as well.
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Monroe Slavin
3/3/2016 7:45 PM
Taking 11 years at Ohio AND including somehow where we were before he arrived?

Seems unlikely.


Look, I don't know the methodology. But it's 2016. And taking Solich's recent (last 4 years) record and considering the results vs. the game by game quality of opponent, those of you who think there is demand for his services (or would be if he were younger) mystify me. That type of thinking shows a grave misunderstanding of major college football expectations/landscape.
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The Optimist
3/3/2016 8:56 PM
If you don't follow the speed limit, you can make it from 270 in CBUS to Athens in well under 1:15.
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D.A.
3/3/2016 9:46 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Taking 11 years at Ohio AND including somehow where we were before he arrived?

Seems unlikely.


Look, I don't know the methodology. But it's 2016. And taking Solich's recent (last 4 years) record and considering the results vs. the game by game quality of opponent, those of you who think there is demand for his services (or would be if he were younger) mystify me. That type of thinking shows a grave misunderstanding of major college football expectations/landscape.
The direct quote from the writer giving Solich credit and citing others as doing the same for the present rating of the program was cited in the very first post of this thread. What exactly is your problem?
Last Edited: 3/3/2016 9:49:18 PM by D.A.
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