Name / Sport / Tenure / No. of MAC championships (tournament if is a tourney)

Rob Smith / Baseball / 3 / 1
Saul / Men hoop / 1+ / 0
Solich / Football / 11 / 0
Boldon / Women hoop 2+ / 1
Rodgers / Soccer (women) 3 / 0
Hermanek / Softball 7 / 1
Komisarz-Baugh / SwimDive 2 / 0
Webb / Volleyball 2 / 1

Can't readily find info on cross country (men or women), golf (men or women), track & field. Don't really compete in MAC in wrestling as far as I can tell. Neil MacMillan apparently about 11 years for field hockey with four league titles??

Did this quickly so my numbers may not be perfect.

I couldn't resist:

Gary Pinkel/Mizzu/15/0 (2000-2015) "Retired"
Steve Spurrier/S. Carolina/11/0 (2005-2015) "Retired"
Mark Richt/Georgia/5/2 (2002-2005)
Mark Richt/Georgia/10/0 (2006-2015) "Fired"
Bronco Mendenhall/BYU/3/2 (2005-2007)
Bronco Mendenhall/BYU/8/0 (2008-2015) "Left School"
Pat Fitzgerald/NW/10/0 (2006-2015)
Rick Stockstill/MTSU/1/1 (2006)
Rick Stockstill/MTSU/9/0 (2007-2015)
David Bailiff/Rice/6/0 (2007-2012)
David Bailiff/Rice/3/1 (2013-2015)
Paul Johnson/Ga. Tech/2/1 (2008-2009)
Paul Johnson/Ga. Tech/6/0 (2010-2015)
Ken Niumatalolo/Navy/9/0 (2007-2015)
Brian Kelly/Notre Dame/6/0 (2010-2015)
Mike London/Virginia/6/0 (2010-2015) "Fired"
Todd Berry/La. Monroe/6/0 (2010-2015) "Fired"

We are not alone. (And yes I'm aware the 3 independents are listed --- it's still a fact they didn't win a conference championship. Some have argued that's allegedly the main point of playing college football)

But looking at the facts. Rick Stockstill might just be the smoking gun.

He won a conference championship at MTSU his first season and none in the 9 years since. His base salary is $721,000 and his contract was just extended from 2021 to 2023 in 2015.

Frank's base salary is $488,000.

So know we there's a guy on the market right now who make 47% more than our football coach and hasn't won a conference championship nine (9) years. Despite this fact he's getting an extension.

Good luck finding your purple squirrel for less money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_squirrel

I agree. It's obvious to me it could be better at Ohio.

But I don't agree that statement is anymore useful or revealing than saying the sky is blue.

Or more on topic, it could be better at Georgia. It could be better at Mizzu. It could be better at Middle Tennessee State.

If I understand correctly this is an Ohio Bobcat board where we are talking about challenges related to the Ohio Bobcat program. The next level here isn't getting to a bowl game or packing Peden for homecoming as the program is already doing that. It's winning the conference championship.

Pay is tied to conference norms. You can't compare the pay of a coach from another conference to one of the MAC's because its comparing apples to oranges. There is an attempt to nationalize the game of college football but its still very much a conference by conference sport. Schedule wise I think you can give a coach 6 years to fully populate his program with his players an his schemes. The scope for a MACC includes an offense that is potent enough to win games and that is where Frank is failing.

That's right. I forgot the scope of the "next level" has been so narrowly defined that a team such as Buffalo briefly reached the "next level" in 2008 with a MACC.

Can you define the scope of the "next level" by the way?

Relative to only the MAC is OHIO spending the most on football? Have they opened their checkbooks to the market? Has Ohio demonstrated their scope and schedule dictates their budget?

If not, then clearly Ohio has set their own scope and budget. Therefore they have no justified complaints about the schedule.

The next level is a school by school basis. In football we all understand takes longer than basketball and some of the other sports because of the five year redshirts, medical redshirts and the 2 year recruiting cycle. From the depths of the MAC it could take reasonably 6 years and if I were the AD at a place like Miami or EMU I'd give my coach a full 6 to see if they can make progress. Frank made substantial progress in his first 6 years no question about it. Frank up until recently has been the highest paid coach in the MAC. Beginning with Frank's hire the football operating budget was increased to the level it needed to be for the student athletes to compete. Improvements were made to Peden Tower and money was raised for an IPF and an academic center. Great equipment deal with Russel. The upgrades to compete at the major college level have already been made. On salaries, Ball State's new coach has come in for less money than Lembo was making and BG's new coach is making $425,000 which is less than Babers. What this is telling me is that salaries in the MAC are beginning to level off. The next coach after Solich will probably be making about the same regardless of how strong his incoming resume is. The great football run up at Ohio has already happened.

So, you're saying that Fact 2(a) should be by program, stating the # of MAC titles by sport for OHIO over the last 11 years (the tenure of our football coach)?

I think swim/dive, volleyball, hoops and others may start to stack them up on such an analysis.


I think that we all want football to get off the goose egg.




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