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Alan Swank
3/30/2016 9:48 AM
Interesting quote in today's dispatch from Gene Smith. osu is going to spend $42 million on Ohio stadium and actually reduce the size by 2,000. This is the quote that really got my attention:

Smith said the capacity race is no longer a priority.

"We're comfortable where we are" in the pecking order, Smith said in announcing the "multiple-phase, multiyear project . . . for our 94-year-old stadium."

As Smith said, "dynamics are changing with fan attendance across the country. I think we need to be careful."
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GoCats105
3/30/2016 9:53 AM
Yeah, lower attendance but higher ticket prices along with some luxury boxes and they'll still be printing money over there. I was surprised how much of that money is being allocated just to improve and reinforce the structure and improve the sound and video systems throughout.
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Bobcatbob
3/30/2016 11:52 AM
Unspoken caution by Smith was that A&M actually held public ticket sales in 2015 because the annual set-asides went unclaimed in some cases. OOC scheduling was blamed as was the fact that there were 4(?) games that started at 8:00 PM.

Yep. Attendance isn't what it once was and that's OK as long as the playoff position and TV revenue trough are preserved.
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Alan Swank
3/30/2016 12:19 PM
Bobcatbob wrote:expand_more
Unspoken caution by Smith was that A&M actually held public ticket sales in 2015 because the annual set-asides went unclaimed in some cases. OOC scheduling was blamed as was the fact that there were 4(?) games that started at 8:00 PM.

Yep. Attendance isn't what it once was and that's OK as long as the playoff position and TV revenue trough are preserved.
Your last sentence is a very interesting one and one that would be best tackled over a beer. I became a Browns fan in the early 60's going to the games in Cleveland Stadium. Dial the calendar ahead 50 years and by not going to a Browns game, I wonder as an 11 year old kid in 2016 if I'd be as big a Browns fan today as I was in 1966. Yes I could watch them on TV but there is something to be said for being in the stadium.
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Ohio69
3/30/2016 2:21 PM
I grew up going to Hartford Whalers games for $10-$15 for pretty sweet seats. For perspective, that's about the same as a Bruce Springsteen album cost at the time. Even had myself Kevin Dineen and Mike Liut jerseys.

Now, I can buy a Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats album for that same $10-$15. (Download that sucker and go see them at the Nelsonville Music Festival. Good times await.)

But now Blue Jacket tickets run $50 each in the upper deck. Columbus Crew tickets start at $28-$30.

I assume its the same for Buckeye tickets.

The ADs and Commissioners can talk all they want about there being far more entertainment options and/or TV access. But, I wonder if price is keeping folks away.

On another topic, these days does anyone let their 17 year old drive into Columbus with buddies and go to Blue Jackets games sans parents like I did in the old days back in Hartford?
Last Edited: 3/30/2016 2:22:09 PM by Ohio69
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OU_Country
3/30/2016 4:07 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
I grew up going to Hartford Whalers games for $10-$15 for pretty sweet seats. For perspective, that's about the same as a Bruce Springsteen album cost at the time. Even had myself Kevin Dineen and Mike Liut jerseys.

Now, I can buy a Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats album for that same $10-$15. (Download that sucker and go see them at the Nelsonville Music Festival. Good times await.)

But now Blue Jacket tickets run $50 each in the upper deck. Columbus Crew tickets start at $28-$30.

I assume its the same for Buckeye tickets.

The ADs and Commissioners can talk all they want about there being far more entertainment options and/or TV access. But, I wonder if price is keeping folks away.

On another topic, these days does anyone let their 17 year old drive into Columbus with buddies and go to Blue Jackets games sans parents like I did in the old days back in Hartford?
Good stuff here. I recall being 17-18 and the folks let us drive down to Cbus for the Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers tour. I'm not sure I'd let kids do that now. Probably why I don't have kids yet. ;)

The cost has to be a big, big factor in it, right? It's a reason I consider Ohio Football Tickets to be a nice value, despite not being the biggest college football fan. It's good value for my money, and I'm usually surrounded by people I like being around.

I used to have the same feeling about Crew games, but you're right, the price has become a little more expensive. The 2008-2009 years a ticket could be had for less than $20 face value.

(As a side note, keep an eye out, we're doing an OU day at the Crew this summer. Tickets will be less than $20)

I have to believe that at places like OSU, Alabama, etc., at some point, the ticket costs will flat line, or go down because of shrinking demand. I can't imagine paying $100 every week for a college football game.
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Mark Lembright '85
3/30/2016 9:31 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
I grew up going to Hartford Whalers games for $10-$15 for pretty sweet seats. For perspective, that's about the same as a Bruce Springsteen album cost at the time. Even had myself Kevin Dineen and Mike Liut jerseys.

Now, I can buy a Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats album for that same $10-$15. (Download that sucker and go see them at the Nelsonville Music Festival. Good times await.)

But now Blue Jacket tickets run $50 each in the upper deck. Columbus Crew tickets start at $28-$30.

I assume its the same for Buckeye tickets.

The ADs and Commissioners can talk all they want about there being far more entertainment options and/or TV access. But, I wonder if price is keeping folks away.

On another topic, these days does anyone let their 17 year old drive into Columbus with buddies and go to Blue Jackets games sans parents like I did in the old days back in Hartford?
Good call on Nathaniel Rateliff and the Night Sweats! Great music!!
Last Edited: 3/30/2016 9:32:36 PM by Mark Lembright '85
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The Optimist
3/31/2016 9:32 AM
Interesting discussion. I'm a big believer that experiencing the atmosphere of a sports stadium is a huge factor in many people becoming "hooked" on a team.

To Alan's example, I think I've experienced both sides of that coin. My parents started taking me to Browns games in 99 when they "came back" and I absolutely believe experiencing the atmosphere in the stadium was a huge factor in my becoming (cursed) a diehard Browns fan.

On the flip-side, my parents also took me to Ohio games as a kid, but growing up in Detroit and then Cleveland attending games in Athens was never going to be easily accessible from that kind of distance with a family of our size. I went to some games in Athens, and some more Ohio games when we played local teams. I considered myself an "Ohio fan" but I wasn't nearly as big of a fan as I am now.
What really changed it for me was when Ohio started showing up on TV with more regularity. And when they weren't on TV, I could at least find scores on the internet. Slowly, score updates switched to audio and then video. That has really been in the last 10-15 years. I have no idea how you could quantify increased TV viewership or internet streaming on the Ohio fanbase, but I have no doubt it is a positive.
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Monroe Slavin
3/31/2016 2:38 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Interesting discussion. I'm a big believer that experiencing the atmosphere of a sports stadium is a huge factor in many people becoming "hooked" on a team.

To Alan's example, I think I've experienced both sides of that coin. My parents started taking me to Browns games in 99 when they "came back" and I absolutely believe experiencing the atmosphere in the stadium was a huge factor in my becoming (cursed) a diehard Browns fan.

On the flip-side, my parents also took me to Ohio games as a kid, but growing up in Detroit and then Cleveland attending games in Athens was never going to be easily accessible from that kind of distance with a family of our size. I went to some games in Athens, and some more Ohio games when we played local teams. I considered myself an "Ohio fan" but I wasn't nearly as big of a fan as I am now.
What really changed it for me was when Ohio started showing up on TV with more regularity. And when they weren't on TV, I could at least find scores on the internet. Slowly, score updates switched to audio and then video. That has really been in the last 10-15 years. I have no idea how you could quantify increased TV viewership or internet streaming on the Ohio fanbase, but I have no doubt it is a positive.
Which is why some of us favored MACtion midweek TV (ESPN) games despite the whining.

This, of course, does not mean that whining is not good.
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