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ExCat21
2/10/2016 10:13 PM
I would not be surprised if McDavis was on here as well. I believe our university is blessed to have a president who graduated as a student-athlete from our university. His love for the school runs deeper than most presidents. I knew from day one he loved sports by his engagement and enthusiasm to find out what we needed to fix over a decade ago. He came to the players to hear our side as well. To me that's encouraging.
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TWT
2/10/2016 10:30 PM
ExCat21, I know you are focused on the Ohio program but do you have any insight into Miami's collapse? Do they have a bad vibe among recruits? What is the sense among players about that program? If you were at homecoming the gap between Ohio and Miami seemed as large as ever on the playing field.
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ExCat21
2/10/2016 10:34 PM
Stars do matter if you are a 4 or 5. I wont deny that. Once you get to 3 stars I believe everyone is almost equal. 3 stars or below can get better and surpass 4s and 5s. Coaches recruit players for skills but also work ethic. Who wants a lazy 5 star who thinks they dont have to work hard when there is a 4 star busting tail. I just say don't look too far into the recruiting services numbers but really look at their tape and competition.

From looking at the tape of this years recruits I am really impressed with 2 guys. Felipe Fernandez first. Great body frame with potential to tone up and improve his footwork. Strength and initial punch is already there. Acceleration ladders will help him with a quicker first step.
The second recruit is Kaevon Harris Sr. Although his competition is not up there with other recruits, his potential to bulk up, great speed and a size advantage on smaller MAC corners can be a real problem. Defensive coordinators will have to keep two safeties high which will open up the running game. I believe he could play now but I would hope we redshirt him....get him one year with Sano and watch him explode the next 4 years. I have high expectations on him just seeing his tape. I think he will break tackles and take more than a few to the house. Just my opinion though.
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ExCat21
2/10/2016 10:39 PM
Just from an outside perspective I would have to say Miami has no consistency. Always a coaching change! Therefore recruits may bypass Miami although they have a good institution.(Dont rip me for that fellas! I still Muck Fiami!) Culture may play a part I have no insight to that.

I do know one thing though....when an athlete sees Ohio's campus we have at least a 50/50 shot. Our campus and culture sells more than most think. We just have to get them here on the bricks to see it....
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ExCat21
2/10/2016 10:41 PM
If you see potential recruits....say hello. Ask them about their OU experience. It carries more weight than you will ever know. Some big universities treat you like a number or an assembly line part. We make recruits feel home and a brotherhood of hard working blue collar guys. Which we are!
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TWT
2/10/2016 11:19 PM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
Just from an outside perspective I would have to say Miami has no consistency. Always a coaching change! Therefore recruits may bypass Miami although they have a good institution.(Dont rip me for that fellas! I still Muck Fiami!) Culture may play a part I have no insight to that.

I do know one thing though....when an athlete sees Ohio's campus we have at least a 50/50 shot. Our campus and culture sells more than most think. We just have to get them here on the bricks to see it....
It might be the culture on Miami's campus attracts an entitled player with no work ethic these days. If Ohio's campus makes it a 50/50 shot then why doesn't Ohio just target 4-5 star athletes with the idea of landing a percentage of them?
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2/10/2016 11:28 PM
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Yes I still play for Columbus Fire. We just won the 3A national title in Florida mid-January. Its good to still be involved in the community and for the family getaways. I play arena football as well. Deciding between two teams right now. I hope you had a great time playing in that area. Good football down there.
Did I see correctly in some older stats (2011) that you played some QB? Were they hurting for a QB or had you played it in HS? lol
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ExCat21
2/11/2016 12:32 AM
I played QB as well in high school. Only in critical moments of read op and pass. But I was better at other positions. My backfield was pretty touted. QB Hunter Cantwell at 6'5" 230 and RB Joe Casey 6'2" and 230 lbs. Second to Adrian Peterson that year in rushing in the nation I believe.
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ExCat21
2/11/2016 2:03 AM
I believe you can't put ALL your effort into 4 and 5 star players because if they chose a P5 school (which they tend to do) then you lose ground on other potential athletes that do value OU's scholarship as a better offer compared to what they currently have. So basically if you were the coach would you realistically offer 12 of your 25 potential scholarships to 4 and 5 stars players? I would say no. I would offer UP to 5 scholarships to those type of guys and fill the class with my targets and summer camp studs. That would give me room to contact other players if those guys turn down the offer without worrying about the class not filling up. If that makes sense. Now once we get the monkey off our back and top it off with a bowl win....you can get more aggressive in recruiting. I have a good feeling we are one or two years away!
We recruit great character guys and qualifiers for the most part with an exception here or there.
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L.C.
2/11/2016 4:16 AM
This is way Ohio recruiting appears to work, to me:
1. The "stars" typically haven't been issued by the time Ohio makes their offers. Ohio tries to get offers out in February to about 150 good players, mostly in Ohio. Some of those turn out to be 4 and 5 star players, some end up 3 star, and some end up 2-star players. From those 150 Ohio hopes to get early commitments from about 15.
2. Then they do camps in the Spring and Summer around the state, and at those camps they identify additional players that meet their standards, but those players are typically "under-the-radar" players, yet having seen them live on the field, the coaches know what they are getting more than they would from film alone. They typically add 4-5 additional players from camps.
3. Then, late in the game after the rest sorts itself out, they fill out the class with highly regarded players looking that are available late. These players tend to be from all over the country, unlike groups 1 and 2, which are more local.

A decade ago they got very few players back from group 1. That meant they took a large percentage of the class from group 3, and meant that most of the recruits were from all over the country. Today most of the recruits are from groups 1 and 2, which is good in that it builds an ever closer relationship to high school coaches in Ohio, which allows the to more successfully recruit players from programs like Colerain or Glenville, year after year.
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Mark Lembright '85
2/11/2016 9:46 AM
I think Excat21 needs a weekly or even a daily column! I'm glued to his comments and am getting nothing done at work here! Great stuff!

must....get.....back....to.....work........
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ExCat21
2/11/2016 10:29 AM
I agree with you LC! Seems about right.
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Mike Johnson
2/11/2016 10:47 AM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
If you see potential recruits....say hello. Ask them about their OU experience. It carries more weight than you will ever know. Some big universities treat you like a number or an assembly line part. We make recruits feel home and a brotherhood of hard working blue collar guys. Which we are!
Two years ago I spent some time with Coach Solich and staff. At one point I was being shown the locker room. A recruit and his parents also were being escorted there, and I was introduced to them. To the recruit (and his parents) I said something like this: "If you decide to come to Ohio, you will be making a very wise choice. That's as to football and to your life's work."

You could see his eyes and those of his parents brightening.
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ExCat21
2/11/2016 11:01 AM
That's awesome Mike. Great story! That kid goes back and tells his compadres about his visit while the parents go tell their friends and coworkers about their experience and how they were treated. It leaves a long lasting impression! So in a sense....the campus sells itself so that box is checked. Then, the visit along with people such as yourself help with the culture aspect and that box is checked. The football tradition and scheme fit for a player is usually the closer. If we can do that with all of our recruits I think we have a shot at getting quality athletes.
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GoCats105
2/11/2016 11:53 AM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
That's awesome Mike. Great story! That kid goes back and tells his compadres about his visit while the parents go tell their friends and coworkers about their experience and how they were treated. It leaves a long lasting impression! So in a sense....the campus sells itself so that box is checked. Then, the visit along with people such as yourself help with the culture aspect and that box is checked. The football tradition and scheme fit for a player is usually the closer. If we can do that with all of our recruits I think we have a shot at getting quality athletes.
It's interesting to see you talk that way about the recruitment process. In my mind I always thought it might be in the reverse order. But then again, the campus does matter a ton. And I've also thought that bothering a recruit on their visit was impolite.

I had a basketball recruitment trip to a small college in Ohio. Coming from a small high school, I didn't want to go to another small place and ultimately decided on not playing at all. I needed new experiences that place wouldn't provide. Best decision I ever made.
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ExCat21
2/11/2016 2:07 PM
Some athletes have the same experience as you did. Ultimately it is up to the athlete. Tradition does matter however the total experience is like the bow on top. I would also say that its not impolite to ask a recruit how they are doing and where they are from. It shows interest rather than stepping on toes. When my high dollar businesses call in and I know nothing about them, I ask about their business and let them brag about themselves. Same thing with a recruit. And if you know someone or grew up in that area they played....you can relate and it makes their trip even better. Little things like that matter in a big decision. I saw Keevon and Andrews interview. Harris stated it felt like home and it had an influence on his decision. Stuff like that matters.
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Bobcatbob
2/12/2016 8:32 AM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
That's awesome Mike. Great story! That kid goes back and tells his compadres about his visit while the parents go tell their friends and coworkers about their experience and how they were treated. It leaves a long lasting impression! So in a sense....the campus sells itself so that box is checked.
From the mouth of an Ohio coach to my ears: "we need to be more selective about who we ask on a campus visit because the first 3 guys who came committed after seeing Athens". The campus does, indeed, sell itself.
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L.C.
2/12/2016 8:42 AM
I would be remiss if I didn't point out something special about our thread host. He has my total respect, not just for being a former player, but for being the ultimate team player. He strongly supports the changes that happened because they were good for the program, and not because they were good for himself. In fact, they were the opposite. His personal stats declined every year under Solich, with a dozen catches in 2004 under Knorr, seven in 2005, and only one in 2006.
http://tinyurl.com/zyoa5ed

We all hear all too often from selfish athletes who are only concerned about what makes them look good, who want more playing time, more carries, or whatever, rather than focusing on making the team better. This thread has been refreshing in more ways than one.
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allen
2/12/2016 10:21 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I would be remiss if I didn't point out something special about our thread host. He has my total respect, not just for being a former player, but for being the ultimate team player. He strongly supports the changes that happened because they were good for the program, and not because they were good for himself. In fact, they were the opposite. His personal stats declined every year under Solich, with a dozen catches in 2004 under Knorr, seven in 2005, and only one in 2006.
http://tinyurl.com/zyoa5ed

We all hear all too often from selfish athletes who are only concerned about what makes them look good, who want more playing time, more carries, or whatever, rather than focusing on making the team better. This thread has been refreshing in more ways than one.

It is not selfish to want playing time. Student athletes come to Ohio to make a difference for Ohio. Mr. Maxwell is a class act and a great ambassador for Ohio, I am sure he was hungry for pt when he was in uniform.
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Robert Fox
2/12/2016 10:42 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
I would be remiss if I didn't point out something special about our thread host. He has my total respect, not just for being a former player, but for being the ultimate team player. He strongly supports the changes that happened because they were good for the program, and not because they were good for himself. In fact, they were the opposite. His personal stats declined every year under Solich, with a dozen catches in 2004 under Knorr, seven in 2005, and only one in 2006.
http://tinyurl.com/zyoa5ed

We all hear all too often from selfish athletes who are only concerned about what makes them look good, who want more playing time, more carries, or whatever, rather than focusing on making the team better. This thread has been refreshing in more ways than one.

It is not selfish to want playing time. Student athletes come to Ohio to make a difference for Ohio. Mr. Maxwell is a class act and a great ambassador for Ohio, I am sure he was hungry for pt when he was in uniform.

You re-phrased his point. He didn't say that. He said "selfish athletes who are ONLY concerned about...more playing time."

Difference of opinion explained in only one word, only.
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allen
2/12/2016 10:48 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
I would be remiss if I didn't point out something special about our thread host. He has my total respect, not just for being a former player, but for being the ultimate team player. He strongly supports the changes that happened because they were good for the program, and not because they were good for himself. In fact, they were the opposite. His personal stats declined every year under Solich, with a dozen catches in 2004 under Knorr, seven in 2005, and only one in 2006.
http://tinyurl.com/zyoa5ed

We all hear all too often from selfish athletes who are only concerned about what makes them look good, who want more playing time, more carries, or whatever, rather than focusing on making the team better. This thread has been refreshing in more ways than one.

It is not selfish to want playing time. Student athletes come to Ohio to make a difference for Ohio. Mr. Maxwell is a class act and a great ambassador for Ohio, I am sure he was hungry for pt when he was in uniform.

You re-phrased his point. He didn't say that. He said "selfish athletes who are ONLY concerned about...more playing time."

Difference of opinion explained in only one word, only.

Earlier this year somebody posted that they were frustrated about their situation and some of us tried to turn the person into Terell Owens or Latrell Sprewell and I thought that's what L.C was getting at, but you are right there are some people who are strictly out for themselves and some people are misunderstood. Point taken
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L.C.
2/12/2016 10:49 AM
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You re-phrased his point. He didn't say that. He said "selfish athletes who are ONLY concerned about...more playing time."

Difference of opinion explained in only one word, only. [/QUOTE]
Correct. Thank you, Robert.

[QUOTE=allen] Earlier this year somebody posted that they were frustrated about their situation and some of us tried to turn the person into Terell Owens or Latrell Sprewell and I thought that's what L.C was getting at, but you are right there are some people who are strictly out for themselves and some people are misunderstood. Point taken.

I do expect players to all want to play more. Competitive athletes all want that. I also expect them to want the team to win.

This thread has been refreshing. Let's keep it free of the disagreements that we've rehashed elsewhere.
Last Edited: 2/12/2016 10:58:19 AM by L.C.
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ExCat21
2/12/2016 12:49 PM
To be honest fellas, my redshirt freshman year I got into with coach Gregory after he scraped the offense in the middle of practice. Players were highly upset and the tone of practice was horrible. I'm highly competitive but I let my mouth get me in some trouble. Greg wanted me to block the entire practice and made Stafford Owens sit out for a play in which the lineman got blocked into the backfield and caused a fumble. So he told me to take my pads off and quit. So I headed to the locker room (which I should have not have been naïve to his sarcasm). I thought he was for real. But I ended up missing the whole season after starting against Minnesota and having to meet with Brian Knorr the following year to see if I was going to be on the team. He told me I could re-join the team if my teammates allowed me or transfer to a NON-MAC school. University of Louisville came into our weight room and offered me to come there, however, Brian Knorr came down stairs and kicked Mike Summers (our former offensive line coach who went to Louisville and then on to New York Giants.) Justin Riley (one of my good friends and teammates til this day) was a better blocker and surpassed me on the depth chart. I played a lot of slot and special teams. I ended up doing an article with the Athens Post that criticized Knorr and I got a lot of heat from that. We ended up have media relations set-up after that paper. But I promised the students one thing before I left Ohio and that we would play in the MAC championship game before I graduated. (I have a few copies of that article of my premonition). My teammates excepted me back with open arms (thank goodness), I played the following Spring Game and I did not lose my scholarship. I absolutely love the game of football and I wanted my education from OU, that's why I chose OU over a full ride from Arkansas, Kentucky, Cincinnati, and several other programs. For me it all worked out in the end. I don't pout about playing time. I was blessed to be apart of this foundation we began. I owe OU everything for where I am today being from a small town in Kentucky. And I am appreciative of everything in those years.

Now with that being said I will say that "one of our greatest teammates" was so frustrated that he quit the team as well but he came back earlier than I did because he meant more to the team. Imagine OU without this player and we might not have our biggest wins in program history. This was how bad the times were back then. VERY! VERY! VERY! BAD! Players were not on the same page with the head coach at the time.
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GoCats105
2/12/2016 1:06 PM
Oh man, another gem from ExCat. Can only imagine who that could be.
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allen
2/12/2016 11:04 PM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
To be honest fellas, my redshirt freshman year I got into with coach Gregory after he scraped the offense in the middle of practice. Players were highly upset and the tone of practice was horrible. I'm highly competitive but I let my mouth get me in some trouble. Greg wanted me to block the entire practice and made Stafford Owens sit out for a play in which the lineman got blocked into the backfield and caused a fumble. So he told me to take my pads off and quit. So I headed to the locker room (which I should have not have been naïve to his sarcasm). I thought he was for real. But I ended up missing the whole season after starting against Minnesota and having to meet with Brian Knorr the following year to see if I was going to be on the team. He told me I could re-join the team if my teammates allowed me or transfer to a NON-MAC school. University of Louisville came into our weight room and offered me to come there, however, Brian Knorr came down stairs and kicked Mike Summers (our former offensive line coach who went to Louisville and then on to New York Giants.) Justin Riley (one of my good friends and teammates til this day) was a better blocker and surpassed me on the depth chart. I played a lot of slot and special teams. I ended up doing an article with the Athens Post that criticized Knorr and I got a lot of heat from that. We ended up have media relations set-up after that paper. But I promised the students one thing before I left Ohio and that we would play in the MAC championship game before I graduated. (I have a few copies of that article of my premonition). My teammates excepted me back with open arms (thank goodness), I played the following Spring Game and I did not lose my scholarship. I absolutely love the game of football and I wanted my education from OU, that's why I chose OU over a full ride from Arkansas, Kentucky, Cincinnati, and several other programs. For me it all worked out in the end. I don't pout about playing time. I was blessed to be apart of this foundation we began. I owe OU everything for where I am today being from a small town in Kentucky. And I am appreciative of everything in those years.

Now with that being said I will say that "one of our greatest teammates" was so frustrated that he quit the team as well but he came back earlier than I did because he meant more to the team. Imagine OU without this player and we might not have our biggest wins in program history. This was how bad the times were back then. VERY! VERY! VERY! BAD! Players were not on the same page with the head coach at the time.
Thanks for your truth.
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