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Bill Connelly has a crazy idea: The Big 12 expanding to 24 teams and adopting intra-conference relegation.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/5/9/1163884...


Won't happen, but it's fun to think about.
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I love the idea of having relegation in Professional American sports. It's a must for soccer exspecially. For college however I don't think it would be fair to juniors to have to sit thier senior season in a lower division. Very interesting idea though.
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Not one mention of Ohio. Ugh. We don't even show up at all while many others do. Shows where we are on outsiders thoughts.
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Not one mention of Ohio. Ugh. We don't even show up at all while many others do. Shows where we are on outsiders thoughts.
With a football stadium that just barely seats slightly over 20,000 and no real stomach or plans to expand it, Ohio will be an outsider in the P5 arms race for a very, very long time. I'm OK with that since I'm one of those that think football's popularity has peaked.
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Not one mention of Ohio. Ugh. We don't even show up at all while many others do. Shows where we are on outsiders thoughts.
With a football stadium that just barely seats slightly over 20,000 and no real stomach or plans to expand it, Ohio will be an outsider in the P5 arms race for a very, very long time. I'm OK with that since I'm one of those that think football's popularity has peaked.
I agree with you about our antiquated stadium. Not sure at all about football popularity having peaked. What's that based on. Not arguing, just asking. Is it the injury thing?
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Not one mention of Ohio. Ugh. We don't even show up at all while many others do. Shows where we are on outsiders thoughts.

Seriously? We're a perennial lately 100+. Okay to love OHIO..but try to preserve a somewhat reasonable view of our relative status.

Another reason the SFB are so blind...They think Solich has risen the program far beyond any true perspective of the status and ranking of our actuality.
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Not one mention of Ohio. Ugh. We don't even show up at all while many others do. Shows where we are on outsiders thoughts.

Seriously? We're a perennial lately 100+. Okay to love OHIO..but try to preserve a somewhat reasonable view of our relative status.

Another reason the SFB are so blind...They think Solich has risen the program far beyond any true perspective of the status and ranking of our actuality.
Seriously, did you even read the article?
Look it over to see if all the teams mentioned are perennial powers.
Crawl back into your hole.
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As far as placing a value on programs goes, I respect this writer's opinion only slightly more than I respect the opinion of those on this board who do not understand our potential/value in the scope of collegiate athletics.

It is an interesting concept. I actually think something like this is bound to happen eventually. Look at English Football. Relegation opens up some risk, but it also a high reward proposition from the $ standpoint. Could make those midweek MACtion games between EMU and Kent State a heck of a lot more interesting........... Wednesday night football to see if EMU gets the boot to D-1 B..... Hmm... I'd probably watch...
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The thing I've always found interesting about this expansion era is that geographically the Big 12 was almost in the best position of anyone to expand. Remember back when TCU, BYU and Utah were all in the Mountain West and Boise State was poised to join them? How about just recruiting those four to the Big 12 right off the bat? The Big 12 could have owned 1/3 of the country.
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Not one mention of Ohio. Ugh. We don't even show up at all while many others do. Shows where we are on outsiders thoughts.
With a football stadium that just barely seats slightly over 20,000 and no real stomach or plans to expand it, Ohio will be an outsider in the P5 arms race for a very, very long time. I'm OK with that since I'm one of those that think football's popularity has peaked.
I agree with you about our antiquated stadium. Not sure at all about football popularity having peaked. What's that based on. Not arguing, just asking. Is it the injury thing?
Pretty much-see the thread about practicing w/o a helmet, etc. Don't get me wrong, football is by far my favorite sport and I love it to death, but I have to recognize that I'm probably the dinosaur in this situation. I hope I'm wrong but the tea leaves seem to say otherwise.
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I'm with Mark on this. I dearly love football but I am skeptical about its future.

Wondering if either soccer or lacrosse could eventually command the fan interest and use the facilities built during the football arms race?
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I'm with Mark on this. I dearly love football but I am skeptical about its future.

Wondering if either soccer or lacrosse could eventually command the fan interest and use the facilities built during the football arms race?
Just look at the typical Trump voter and their sheer numbers and you will see Football is alive and well in Murica'
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I'm skeptical about football's future because of the injury thing leading to fewer kids playing the kid in the long run, and therefore fewer kids watching the game at all.

The greed and money issues have to play a part on some people as well. The length of the game getting close to four hours (from 3 hours only 10-15 years ago), and lengthy delays during the game also have to play a part. I can, without question, tell you they've changed my interest in the game, and how I watch football in general. I watch NFL games on "tape delay" with the DVR almost every Sunday, starting about 30-40 minutes late. By the time the second half starts, I'm almost caught up without missing any game play.

Also, soccer will continue to gain ground as one of the spectator sports of choice. Whether it takes from football or baseball is a matter of differing opinions. The reasons why are simple: 1) I'm the first generation who played the game, who got excited about the World Cup in 1994 in the US. I think it would have grown even faster if the multitude of games on TV were available back then. 2) We're consistently becoming a more global society, and football, not American Football, is the global game. American football, while popular in North America, is not nearly as popular as soccer worldwide.

My opinion only, but I feel like 25 years from now soccer will have gained ground, while football and baseball will have lost ground. Basketball, because it's a globally played game as well, will continue to be popular, if not more popular. And I didn't even mention Lacrosse, Hockey, or any other sport. Yeah, I think football will decline a little, and some of it's just because of the expanded options compared to 20+ years ago.
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Relegation will never happen in any sport in America. Why would any current owner of a top division team ever agree to it?
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I'm with Mark on this. I dearly love football but I am skeptical about its future.

Wondering if either soccer or lacrosse could eventually command the fan interest and use the facilities built during the football arms race?
Good question! It wouldn't shock me to see soccer played at Peden Stadium instead of football within 2 generations, if Peden Stadium's still there in two generations.
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I'm skeptical about football's future because of the injury thing leading to fewer kids playing the kid in the long run, and therefore fewer kids watching the game at all.

The greed and money issues have to play a part on some people as well. The length of the game getting close to four hours (from 3 hours only 10-15 years ago), and lengthy delays during the game also have to play a part. I can, without question, tell you they've changed my interest in the game, and how I watch football in general. I watch NFL games on "tape delay" with the DVR almost every Sunday, starting about 30-40 minutes late. By the time the second half starts, I'm almost caught up without missing any game play.

Also, soccer will continue to gain ground as one of the spectator sports of choice. Whether it takes from football or baseball is a matter of differing opinions. The reasons why are simple: 1) I'm the first generation who played the game, who got excited about the World Cup in 1994 in the US. I think it would have grown even faster if the multitude of games on TV were available back then. 2) We're consistently becoming a more global society, and football, not American Football, is the global game. American football, while popular in North America, is not nearly as popular as soccer worldwide.

My opinion only, but I feel like 25 years from now soccer will have gained ground, while football and baseball will have lost ground. Basketball, because it's a globally played game as well, will continue to be popular, if not more popular. And I didn't even mention Lacrosse, Hockey, or any other sport. Yeah, I think football will decline a little, and some of it's just because of the expanded options compared to 20+ years ago.
Spot on! Heck, with video games and technology that's available now (and will be available in the years to come), do kids even play outside anymore?
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Relegation will never happen in any sport in America. Why would any current owner of a top division team ever agree to it?
As much as I enjoy relegation, I completely agree. There would have to be a financial reason to be okay with it (because we only care about money anymore), and why would they reward a team for getting relegated?



Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I'm with Mark on this. I dearly love football but I am skeptical about its future.

Wondering if either soccer or lacrosse could eventually command the fan interest and use the facilities built during the football arms race?
Good question! It wouldn't shock me to see soccer played at Peden Stadium instead of football within 2 generations, if Peden Stadium's still there in two generations.
You never know. It's a bad example, but Cincy FC is playing at Nippert now.
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I'm skeptical about football's future because of the injury thing leading to fewer kids playing the kid in the long run, and therefore fewer kids watching the game at all.

The greed and money issues have to play a part on some people as well. The length of the game getting close to four hours (from 3 hours only 10-15 years ago), and lengthy delays during the game also have to play a part. I can, without question, tell you they've changed my interest in the game, and how I watch football in general. I watch NFL games on "tape delay" with the DVR almost every Sunday, starting about 30-40 minutes late. By the time the second half starts, I'm almost caught up without missing any game play.

Also, soccer will continue to gain ground as one of the spectator sports of choice. Whether it takes from football or baseball is a matter of differing opinions. The reasons why are simple: 1) I'm the first generation who played the game, who got excited about the World Cup in 1994 in the US. I think it would have grown even faster if the multitude of games on TV were available back then. 2) We're consistently becoming a more global society, and football, not American Football, is the global game. American football, while popular in North America, is not nearly as popular as soccer worldwide.

My opinion only, but I feel like 25 years from now soccer will have gained ground, while football and baseball will have lost ground. Basketball, because it's a globally played game as well, will continue to be popular, if not more popular. And I didn't even mention Lacrosse, Hockey, or any other sport. Yeah, I think football will decline a little, and some of it's just because of the expanded options compared to 20+ years ago.
Games are getting close to 4 hours because all the media timeouts, and every game is now on TV. That adds 10 min to every quarter, that's 40 minutes in a game.
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I'm with Mark on this. I dearly love football but I am skeptical about its future.

Wondering if either soccer or lacrosse could eventually command the fan interest and use the facilities built during the football arms race?
Just look at the typical Trump voter and their sheer numbers and you will see Football is alive and well in Murica'
Just realized my views on MAC expansion are similar to Trump's "views" on immigration.

1. Deport EMU
2. Build wall to keep out low attendance schools.
3. Make low attendance schools pay for wall.
4. Win

Trump always talks about how smart Mexico's leaders are. I feel the same about EMU. They are taking advantage of us and we're too dumb to put a stop to it.

MAKE THE MAC GREAT AGAIN!
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
I'm with Mark on this. I dearly love football but I am skeptical about its future.

Wondering if either soccer or lacrosse could eventually command the fan interest and use the facilities built during the football arms race?
Good question! It wouldn't shock me to see soccer played at Peden Stadium instead of football within 2 generations, if Peden Stadium's still there in two generations.
Of course, it might help if Ohio had a men's soccer team.
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OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I'm skeptical about football's future because of the injury thing leading to fewer kids playing the kid in the long run, and therefore fewer kids watching the game at all.

The greed and money issues have to play a part on some people as well. The length of the game getting close to four hours (from 3 hours only 10-15 years ago), and lengthy delays during the game also have to play a part. I can, without question, tell you they've changed my interest in the game, and how I watch football in general. I watch NFL games on "tape delay" with the DVR almost every Sunday, starting about 30-40 minutes late. By the time the second half starts, I'm almost caught up without missing any game play.

Also, soccer will continue to gain ground as one of the spectator sports of choice. Whether it takes from football or baseball is a matter of differing opinions. The reasons why are simple: 1) I'm the first generation who played the game, who got excited about the World Cup in 1994 in the US. I think it would have grown even faster if the multitude of games on TV were available back then. 2) We're consistently becoming a more global society, and football, not American Football, is the global game. American football, while popular in North America, is not nearly as popular as soccer worldwide.

My opinion only, but I feel like 25 years from now soccer will have gained ground, while football and baseball will have lost ground. Basketball, because it's a globally played game as well, will continue to be popular, if not more popular. And I didn't even mention Lacrosse, Hockey, or any other sport. Yeah, I think football will decline a little, and some of it's just because of the expanded options compared to 20+ years ago.
Football's future will be based on the liability schools have for player injuries, especially concussions. Settlements, like the one BGSU recently agreed to, could lead to the downfall of the sport if legal action continues to grow.
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I'm with Mark on this. I dearly love football but I am skeptical about its future.

Wondering if either soccer or lacrosse could eventually command the fan interest and use the facilities built during the football arms race?
Good question! It wouldn't shock me to see soccer played at Peden Stadium instead of football within 2 generations, if Peden Stadium's still there in two generations.
Of course, it might help if Ohio had a men's soccer team.
Touche!! You are right about that! Well, when football is reduced to "club" status (within 40 years) like men's hockey currently is now, so as to comply with Title IX when football is disbanded, men's soccer at the Division 1 level will exist once again at Ohio U. :)

I'm being tongue-in-cheek of course.
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Just heard a guy on Sirius say that lacross is the only youth sport increasing in participation. Don't know about that but could be a viable option they're saying.
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Relegation will never happen in any sport in America. Why would any current owner of a top division team ever agree to it?

In theory the big 12 might because with 24 teams they would cover more of the country, but I agree Still, maybe that only means a different answer is needed.

Suppose all the G5 banded together, and each conference expanded to 14 teams. Then suppose that each year each G5 conference sent two teams up to a super Conference, which would then leave you with a P5 like ten team super conference and a number of G5 conferences. At the end of each year one of the two promoted teams would be relegated back to their conference while a different team would be promoted.
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I'm with Mark on this. I dearly love football but I am skeptical about its future.

Wondering if either soccer or lacrosse could eventually command the fan interest and use the facilities built during the football arms race?
Just look at the typical Trump voter and their sheer numbers and you will see Football is alive and well in Murica'
Just realized my views on MAC expansion are similar to Trump's "views" on immigration.

1. Deport EMU
2. Build wall to keep out low attendance schools.
3. Make low attendance schools pay for wall.
4. Win

Trump always talks about how smart Mexico's leaders are. I feel the same about EMU. They are taking advantage of us and we're too dumb to put a stop to it.

MAKE THE MAC GREAT AGAIN!
This is the best laugh of the afternoon for me so far. Nicely done!
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