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allen
4/12/2016 7:29 PM
Lande71 wrote:expand_more
For what it's worth, I talked to a HS coach who had the pleasure of coaching AJ in a HS all star game. (North/South game I believe) He said he could not believe he had no scholly at that time. He said he was the best kid they had on their team, rating him better than all the kids going to OSU and all the other big schools. He had nothing but praise for AJ. He might be better than what Allen and Monroe comes across with here! To listen to them he may be only worthy of 4th string! I can't and won't put too much stock in what they say here!

I can't believe he did not have a scholly either, I think he is a great back. He has done well for us, and we are a top 80 program. He definitely got missed. I think Brown and Irons have more explosion and football speed. AJ's plus he always breaks the first tackle and falls forward.
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allen
4/12/2016 7:36 PM
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Again with a football ignoramous putting words in someone's mouth, Allen. The coaches know much more about who has talent and who does not.

How much collegiate football coaching experience do you have? Does it compare with the experience the coaches at OU have? I think not.

Go back to your couch, your are too football ignorant to even post on a fan's forum.

I know some of you know the coaches and have had the pleasure of walking their dogs and mowing their lawn, but they make mistakes and have not won a MAC, so while I hold them in high regards I don't agree with everything they do. They tried to hide Irons, we knew what Brown could do, he originally won the position over AJ until he got the dropsies, now we know they are studs and need to play. Like I said those 7 yarders become 25 yarders. Haha, sounds like a joke.
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4/12/2016 7:57 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
For what it's worth, I talked to a HS coach who had the pleasure of coaching AJ in a HS all star game. (North/South game I believe) He said he could not believe he had no scholly at that time. He said he was the best kid they had on their team, rating him better than all the kids going to OSU and all the other big schools. He had nothing but praise for AJ. He might be better than what Allen and Monroe comes across with here! To listen to them he may be only worthy of 4th string! I can't and won't put too much stock in what they say here!

I can't believe he did not have a scholly either, I think he is a great back. He has done well for us, and we are a top 80 program. He definitely got missed. I think Brown and Irons have more explosion and football speed. AJ's plus he always breaks the first tackle and falls forward.
Allen, which is it, AJ is great or the one without talent?
Last Edited: 4/12/2016 8:00:17 PM by Bcat2
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allen
4/12/2016 9:00 PM
He is great, we have better. The same thing I have said over 500 times. Your emotions are interfering with your cognitive ability to process my messages.
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WoodyHaha
4/12/2016 10:48 PM
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He is great, we have better. The same thing I have said over 500 times. Your emotions are interfering with your cognitive ability to process my messages.
If you have/had better they would have entered the NLF draft or be the odds on favorite to win the Heisman and the coaches favorite player to boot.

I know it's my own fault for arguing with an simpleton....but coaches don't play their second or third best players when they can use their best player. No coaches and certainly not coaches with years experience of hurting hopeful players feelings by telling them they are only second or third string players would hold back a stud for a dud.

Talent is part of the equation to make a good running back.

So is knowing the plays, so is knowing what hole to hit and when.

Do you hesitate a split second before you take the hand off on this play or hit the hole running knowing the QB is giving you the ball. What does the play and/or the situation call for..

Does the QB perform his reads appropriately or does he leave you hanging by hesitating pulling his hands or the ball when you take the hand off. Does the QB put the ball in the right place when pitching it to you on the option or does he pitch it behind you when you have a linebacker bearing down on you.

And then you have to have the right blocker hitting his marks....is he pulling and cutting in front of you to make a block on a linebacker or is he blocking straight ahead or is he dragging a foot and tripping you as you run by.

All of these things and more make a talented running back look good...or look bad.

Allen, you seem like the type that really does not know the x's and o's of football. You seem like the type that keeps his eyes on the ball at all times when spectating with no real clue as to what is happening with the other 10 players on the field that made the play successful or not.

There have been plenty of big, fast people (bigger and faster than any one on your Bobcat team) that have tried being running backs. You would call them "talented", I would call them athletic. The most athletic people do not necessarily make the most "talented" football players. And I am not going to take the time to educate you any further on this subject as I am smart enough to know I can't make you any smarter than you already think you are.

You and your purse or animal toting bag (or whatever it is) selling buddy can continue to run down the coaches and players that they have decided upon all you want...but those of us that know the game and just how hard it really is to play that game will continue to be supportive of the coaches and the knowledge based decisions they make. They will make some mistakes as we all do....but they will also remedy those mistakes as they want to win more than any of us.

And an FYI...your statement that AJ is able fall forward when being tackled and how you make that sound as simple as falling makes us know you don't know anything about football or the position of running back. I'd love to see you try and "fall forward" when being hit by one or more 300lb lineman to gain that extra yard. It's actually not "falling". It takes a lot of effort and a lot of mental toughness and awareness to get that extra yard in that situation. Doing that as many times as AJ has done it is what I call talent and dedication.

Watch AJ's legs when he's being tackled. Then watch any of the other running backs on OU's team legs when they are being tackled. Huge difference....Huge!! And I guarantee the coaches have noticed.
Last Edited: 4/12/2016 10:59:11 PM by WoodyHaha
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OhioCatFan
4/13/2016 12:25 AM
I will say that eventually . . . perhaps even this year . . . Irons and Brown will become excellent RBs. One or both by their senior years could easily be NFL draft picks. However, to say that they should have played more last year is not really an intelligent statement. I wanted them to play more last year, especially, Irons, but after finding out the totality of the situation I understood why they did not play as much as I, from my fan perspective, thought they should have. Coach Solich is one of the best coaches in FBS football. He knows how to evaluate talent and overall team issues much better than I do. I know that some on this board rebel against the idea of giving deference to those who have devoted their life to coaching football, but that's where I stand. I have my "fan ideas" about things, but when push comes to shove I know that coaches with the experience and pedigree of Coach Solich and his staff are making sounder decision than I would make, or than 99 percent of others on this board would make. No, I don't think Solich is infallible. I don't think he is a god. I just think he's one darn good football coach and that he's ready to take the OHIO program back to Detroit and win a MACC in the near future.
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Monroe Slavin
4/13/2016 3:37 AM
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Were you there? The starters for life may not necessarily be the top backs.Play the best players, and stop giving out positions for life is all that I ask. If AJ is the best play him, but don't shelve Maleek or Brown because you feel you owe AJ. That is not a good practice.I know darn well had they both got more carries, they probably would have taken the position. Brown has the best vision with good explosion and power. Irons has the most power and prob just as explosive as Brown. He is an open field nightmare. AJ always breaks the first tackle and falls forward, but he is the least explosive. Papi is the most explosive back that we have. All are very good backs but the 7 yard plays Oulette makes turns into 20+ plus for Irons and Brown.


WHAT?

- Play the best players and stop giving out positions for life?

- If AJ is the best, play him, but don’t shelve Maleek or Brown because you feel you owe AJ?

- YOU KNOW had they (Irons and Brown) received more carries, they “probably” would have taken the position?

Reality check. The red carpet wasn’t rolled out for AJ Ouellette when he arrived on campus two years ago. Remember, he was a walk-on overlooked by everyone in the country and earned a scholarship in a matter of weeks. He was fifth on the depth chart in his first collegiate game (against Kent State) and carried the load on the game-winning drive after the other backs put the ball on the ground several times. Since, he has been OU’s leading ground gainer throughout his freshman and sophomore seasons, while not fumbling once in his career - and rarely having a rush for negative yards (look at the stats). It’s obvious AJ has earned every opportunity awarded to him.

Now, you indicate the OU coaching staff is “playing favorites” instead of the best players because they feel “they owe” AJ?

WOW! You sir, are a piece of work.

Aj has done great, we have better backs and since we have better backs, they should play. AJ should not be starter for life unless he can beat IRons and Brown and benching them during games where AJ is ineffective is not fooling anyone. Play the best players.
AJ has obviously beaten Irons and Brown already. That is why the coaches start him. Obvious to anyone who ever played the game at least.

Big mouth couch coaches don't get to choose who plays or starts. The coaches who work with these men every day in practice do. The fact that a guy like you can't influence who gets playing time must really bother you. Too bad, get over it.

Last years rushing issues were with the o-line and with the QB reads. No matter what running back was in the game. The fact that AJ had better than 4 yards per carry is a great testament to him and his abilities. I would love for Mr. Ouellette to join a team like The OSU and see what he could produce. Keep pushing Alan and maybe it will be the AJ Ouellette transfer watch.

And for what it's worth....in my and a lot of other fans opinions OU does not have any better backs than AJ.
"Big mouth couch coaches" I like that, Big mouth couch coaches (BMCCs) even better than "Arm Chair" or "Monday Morning QBs."




When you start from the premise that the coaches are always right, are infallible, you draw certain conclusions.

When you have an open mind, you may draw other conclusions.
No one believes the coaches are infallible. But they certainly know more than some couch potato watching the games from their televisions. Yes, I mean you. Don't put words into peoples mouths. I have an open mind....I simply don't believe or buy your BS.
Sorry. But there are plenty here who pretty much think that the coaches are infallible (despite their really mediocre record over the last 4 of their 11 years at OHIO in the weakass MAC).

They also think that an outside observer could not possibly see things that the coaches don't see (or, at least, don't incorporate).


So, if we have such rich talent at running back, are we ever going to see any true two-back sets.

It's such an obvious question. One that the SFB true-believers don't much regard..they don't much push for this.


I love when the ultimate facts of 3-4 crushing losses per year over the last 4 years keep so many of you in grave reverence of this staff.

Not good thinking. Not thinking.
Last Edited: 4/13/2016 10:20:30 AM by Monroe Slavin
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4/13/2016 3:36 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Sorry. But there are plenty here who pretty much think that the coaches are infallible (despite their really mediocre record over the last 4 of their 11 years at OHIO in the weakass MAC).

So, if we have such rich talent at running back, are we ever going to see any true two-back sets.

Not good thinking. Not thinking.
Monroe. The coaches are not infallible. There is one assistant I would have helped find his next post by now. However, they all, even the one of whom I am not a fan, know so much more about football than I or you will ever hope to learn.

Next, you say, deep at RB means Ohio should play two back sets. By this logic, deep at DE means the defense would be better playing extra DEs in place of DTs or maybe DBs. In certain situations, perhaps, but, not as a regular set. Two back sets are easier to defend than Ohio's regular package now in use. We shall see. I expect your usual disdain of a counter opinion. It would be refreshing if instead you were to dazzle us with your football wisdom and explain, using Xs & Os, how your argument is superior. I didn't think so.
Last Edited: 4/13/2016 5:31:50 PM by Bcat2
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L.C.
4/13/2016 5:15 PM
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.... Two back sets are easier to defend than Ohio's regular package now in use....

As I have pointed out in the past, Ohio averages more yards per carry today than they did with a two back set, plus many more yards of offense and many more points per game. They isn't to say that I wouldn't like to see them steal a few ideas from App St, which ran a very interesting and well conceived rushing attack from formations similar to Ohio's formations. The staff is always making changes, and I suspect that we very well may see some of this.
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4/13/2016 10:32 PM
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He is great, we have better. The same thing I have said over 500 times. Your emotions are interfering with your cognitive ability to process my messages.
If you have/had better they would have entered the NLF draft or be the odds on favorite to win the Heisman and the coaches favorite player to boot.

I know it's my own fault for arguing with an simpleton....but coaches don't play their second or third best players when they can use their best player. No coaches and certainly not coaches with years experience of hurting hopeful players feelings by telling them they are only second or third string players would hold back a stud for a dud.

Talent is part of the equation to make a good running back.

So is knowing the plays, so is knowing what hole to hit and when.

Do you hesitate a split second before you take the hand off on this play or hit the hole running knowing the QB is giving you the ball. What does the play and/or the situation call for..

Does the QB perform his reads appropriately or does he leave you hanging by hesitating pulling his hands or the ball when you take the hand off. Does the QB put the ball in the right place when pitching it to you on the option or does he pitch it behind you when you have a linebacker bearing down on you.

And then you have to have the right blocker hitting his marks....is he pulling and cutting in front of you to make a block on a linebacker or is he blocking straight ahead or is he dragging a foot and tripping you as you run by.

All of these things and more make a talented running back look good...or look bad.

Allen, you seem like the type that really does not know the x's and o's of football. You seem like the type that keeps his eyes on the ball at all times when spectating with no real clue as to what is happening with the other 10 players on the field that made the play successful or not.

There have been plenty of big, fast people (bigger and faster than any one on your Bobcat team) that have tried being running backs. You would call them "talented", I would call them athletic. The most athletic people do not necessarily make the most "talented" football players. And I am not going to take the time to educate you any further on this subject as I am smart enough to know I can't make you any smarter than you already think you are.

You and your purse or animal toting bag (or whatever it is) selling buddy can continue to run down the coaches and players that they have decided upon all you want...but those of us that know the game and just how hard it really is to play that game will continue to be supportive of the coaches and the knowledge based decisions they make. They will make some mistakes as we all do....but they will also remedy those mistakes as they want to win more than any of us.

And an FYI...your statement that AJ is able fall forward when being tackled and how you make that sound as simple as falling makes us know you don't know anything about football or the position of running back. I'd love to see you try and "fall forward" when being hit by one or more 300lb lineman to gain that extra yard. It's actually not "falling". It takes a lot of effort and a lot of mental toughness and awareness to get that extra yard in that situation. Doing that as many times as AJ has done it is what I call talent and dedication.

Watch AJ's legs when he's being tackled. Then watch any of the other running backs on OU's team legs when they are being tackled. Huge difference....Huge!! And I guarantee the coaches have noticed.

As far as X's and O's, I won't begin to criticize you or the coaches. This is a comprehension issue and it is becoming childish, you don't understand what I am saying. I will say it one time and move forward. AJ is the best at getting started and always falling forward. Irons is much more powerful and explosive, but is not great until he is moving vertical. Brown has the total package, but he is not as powerful and explosive as Irons, but he is more explosive than AJ. He has the best vision and best cutting ability. All three could get 1000 yards in the MAC. Irons and Brown would put up better numbers with more carries. They are better in my opinion. Aj is great, but we have better backs.
Last Edited: 4/13/2016 10:34:45 PM by allen
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4/14/2016 8:19 AM
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He is great, we have better. The same thing I have said over 500 times. Your emotions are interfering with your cognitive ability to process my messages.
If you have/had better they would have entered the NLF draft or be the odds on favorite to win the Heisman and the coaches favorite player to boot.

I know it's my own fault for arguing with an simpleton....but coaches don't play their second or third best players when they can use their best player. No coaches and certainly not coaches with years experience of hurting hopeful players feelings by telling them they are only second or third string players would hold back a stud for a dud.

Talent is part of the equation to make a good running back.

So is knowing the plays, so is knowing what hole to hit and when.

Do you hesitate a split second before you take the hand off on this play or hit the hole running knowing the QB is giving you the ball. What does the play and/or the situation call for..

Does the QB perform his reads appropriately or does he leave you hanging by hesitating pulling his hands or the ball when you take the hand off. Does the QB put the ball in the right place when pitching it to you on the option or does he pitch it behind you when you have a linebacker bearing down on you.

And then you have to have the right blocker hitting his marks....is he pulling and cutting in front of you to make a block on a linebacker or is he blocking straight ahead or is he dragging a foot and tripping you as you run by.

All of these things and more make a talented running back look good...or look bad.

Allen, you seem like the type that really does not know the x's and o's of football. You seem like the type that keeps his eyes on the ball at all times when spectating with no real clue as to what is happening with the other 10 players on the field that made the play successful or not.

There have been plenty of big, fast people (bigger and faster than any one on your Bobcat team) that have tried being running backs. You would call them "talented", I would call them athletic. The most athletic people do not necessarily make the most "talented" football players. And I am not going to take the time to educate you any further on this subject as I am smart enough to know I can't make you any smarter than you already think you are.

You and your purse or animal toting bag (or whatever it is) selling buddy can continue to run down the coaches and players that they have decided upon all you want...but those of us that know the game and just how hard it really is to play that game will continue to be supportive of the coaches and the knowledge based decisions they make. They will make some mistakes as we all do....but they will also remedy those mistakes as they want to win more than any of us.

And an FYI...your statement that AJ is able fall forward when being tackled and how you make that sound as simple as falling makes us know you don't know anything about football or the position of running back. I'd love to see you try and "fall forward" when being hit by one or more 300lb lineman to gain that extra yard. It's actually not "falling". It takes a lot of effort and a lot of mental toughness and awareness to get that extra yard in that situation. Doing that as many times as AJ has done it is what I call talent and dedication.

Watch AJ's legs when he's being tackled. Then watch any of the other running backs on OU's team legs when they are being tackled. Huge difference....Huge!! And I guarantee the coaches have noticed.

As far as X's and O's, I won't begin to criticize you or the coaches. This is a comprehension issue and it is becoming childish, you don't understand what I am saying. I will say it one time and move forward. AJ is the best at getting started and always falling forward. Irons is much more powerful and explosive, but is not great until he is moving vertical. Brown has the total package, but he is not as powerful and explosive as Irons, but he is more explosive than AJ. He has the best vision and best cutting ability. All three could get 1000 yards in the MAC. Irons and Brown would put up better numbers with more carries. They are better in my opinion. Aj is great, but we have better backs.
And your opinion and $1.35 will get me a cup of coffee at McDonalds
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WoodyHaha
4/14/2016 8:57 AM
$1.35 indeed.

That is until Allen gets that raise to $15 an hour for making your coffee at McDonalds.

Then the price of your coffee and his opinion will jump to $3.
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4/14/2016 10:09 AM
WoodyHaha wrote:expand_more
$1.35 indeed.

That is until Allen gets that raise to $15 an hour for making your coffee at McDonalds.

Then the price of your coffee and his opinion will jump to $3.
And if that helps get a family off federal and state welfare benefits, I'll gladly pay that $3 as a personal choice. You are paying extra one way or another, either in higher prices or expanding welfare rolls. Walmart workers recieved $6.2 Billion dollars last year in benefits.
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WoodyHaha
4/14/2016 11:05 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
$1.35 indeed.

That is until Allen gets that raise to $15 an hour for making your coffee at McDonalds.

Then the price of your coffee and his opinion will jump to $3.
And if that helps get a family off federal and state welfare benefits, I'll gladly pay that $3 as a personal choice. You are paying extra one way or another, either in higher prices or expanding welfare rolls. Walmart workers recieved $6.2 Billion dollars last year in benefits.
I'm afraid it will simply mean that McD's will go automated and you will be filling your own coffee cup.

Thus Allen will be looking for work. Maybe the coaches at OU will have read his hyperbole on this site and using it as a resume hire him as the new offensive coordinator.
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4/14/2016 11:11 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
$1.35 indeed.

That is until Allen gets that raise to $15 an hour for making your coffee at McDonalds.

Then the price of your coffee and his opinion will jump to $3.
And if that helps get a family off federal and state welfare benefits, I'll gladly pay that $3 as a personal choice. You are paying extra one way or another, either in higher prices or expanding welfare rolls. Walmart workers recieved $6.2 Billion dollars last year in benefits.

Sad how nerdy and crazy we can be. I wish you guys well. You probably shouldn't worry about Walmart workers, if you have notor do not work there. There are cities like New york and Seattle that are raising their minimum wages to 15.00 per hour because they know that people can't live off of $7.25. See when America was founded there were two separate theories, Adam Smith Laissez Fairism, leave the government out and that would result in monopolies like the 62 people having the wealth of half the people in the world, which is the current case. None of you are apart of that 62, but like sheeps you worship and follow them. then there was Thomas Hobbes, wo said man by nature is brutish and should be rgulated, just like the Holy bible or any other religious text and a mix of the those prevailed. Our Last Adam Smith experment led to the bailout, read about securitization and you will figure out what happened there and read about how Bush decreased the SEC and increase the banks leverage from 12 times liquid capital to 40 times liquid capital and you will understand why banks were lending so much and why a 20% default rate crippled a system that is supposed to be able to handle a 50% defaul rate based on interest gained by good borrower. Just like fott, you have know knowledge in that either. you also don't realize that wages have not rised with inflation so Americans are making less than they made in the 80's, because of the Judas' are able to outsource jobs, outlaw collective bargaining and now corporate inversion all destroying America with your help. I happen to work for the government and trade stocks, and give financial advice for free. God bless you guys, I am sorry that I touched your emotions.I hope I hope informed you, probably not, because you are brainwashed. We should not be nerds without intellect. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lucky-or-not-the-economy...
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4/14/2016 11:26 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
$1.35 indeed.

That is until Allen gets that raise to $15 an hour for making your coffee at McDonalds.

Then the price of your coffee and his opinion will jump to $3.
And if that helps get a family off federal and state welfare benefits, I'll gladly pay that $3 as a personal choice. You are paying extra one way or another, either in higher prices or expanding welfare rolls. Walmart workers recieved $6.2 Billion dollars last year in benefits.

Sad how nerdy and crazy we can be. I wish you guys well. You probably shouldn't worry about Walmart workers, if you have notor do not work there. There are cities like New york and Seattle that are raising their minimum wages to 15.00 per hour because they know that people can't live off of $7.25. See when America was founded there were two separate theories, Adam Smith Laissez Fairism, leave the government out and that would result in monopolies like the 62 people having the wealth of half the people in the world, which is the current case. None of you are apart of that 62, but like sheeps you worship and follow them. then there was Thomas Hobbes, wo said man by nature is brutish and should be rgulated, just like the Holy bible or any other religious text and a mix of the those prevailed. Our Last Adam Smith experment led to the bailout, read about securitization and you will figure out what happened there and read about how Bush decreased the SEC and increase the banks leverage from 12 times liquid capital to 40 times liquid capital and you will understand why banks were lending so much and why a 20% default rate crippled a system that is supposed to be able to handle a 50% defaul rate based on interest gained by good borrower. Just like fott, you have know knowledge in that either. you also don't realize that wages have not rised with inflation so Americans are making less than they made in the 80's, because of the Judas' are able to outsource jobs, outlaw collective bargaining and now corporate inversion all destroying America with your help. I happen to work for the government and trade stocks, and give financial advice for free. God bless you guys, I am sorry that I touched your emotions.I hope I hope informed you, probably not, because you are brainwashed. We should not be nerds without intellect. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lucky-or-not-the-economy...
Your President..Mr. Clinton caused the issues with the financial institutions.

In 1999 he deregulated the banks by signing of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley into law.

Clinton said, “This is a day we can celebrate as an American day” and that ” the Glass-Steagall law is no longer appropriate for the economy in which we live” and “today what we are doing is modernizing the financial services industry, tearing down these antiquated laws and granting banks significant new authority” and “This is a very good day for the United States.”

This gave greedy sob's like yourself the ability to go unwatched and unfetered into selling people loans they could not afford.
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4/14/2016 11:43 AM
WoodyHaha wrote:expand_more
$1.35 indeed.

That is until Allen gets that raise to $15 an hour for making your coffee at McDonalds.

Then the price of your coffee and his opinion will jump to $3.
And if that helps get a family off federal and state welfare benefits, I'll gladly pay that $3 as a personal choice. You are paying extra one way or another, either in higher prices or expanding welfare rolls. Walmart workers recieved $6.2 Billion dollars last year in benefits.
I'm afraid it will simply mean that McD's will go automated and you will be filling your own coffee cup.

Thus Allen will be looking for work. Maybe the coaches at OU will have read his hyperbole on this site and using it as a resume hire him as the new offensive coordinator.
News flash, business have been going to kiosks for 20+ years, has nothing to do with the minimum wage argument for $15.00 I was in a Truck Stop in Chillicothe the other day where you pay for your gas at a machine inside with no human interaction, and if you wanted food, that was all kiosk as well. Minimum wage in Ohio is $8.10
Last Edited: 4/14/2016 11:44:45 AM by BillyTheCat
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4/14/2016 11:49 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
$1.35 indeed.

That is until Allen gets that raise to $15 an hour for making your coffee at McDonalds.

Then the price of your coffee and his opinion will jump to $3.
And if that helps get a family off federal and state welfare benefits, I'll gladly pay that $3 as a personal choice. You are paying extra one way or another, either in higher prices or expanding welfare rolls. Walmart workers recieved $6.2 Billion dollars last year in benefits.

Sad how nerdy and crazy we can be. I wish you guys well. You probably shouldn't worry about Walmart workers, if you have notor do not work there. There are cities like New york and Seattle that are raising their minimum wages to 15.00 per hour because they know that people can't live off of $7.25. See when America was founded there were two separate theories, Adam Smith Laissez Fairism, leave the government out and that would result in monopolies like the 62 people having the wealth of half the people in the world, which is the current case. None of you are apart of that 62, but like sheeps you worship and follow them. then there was Thomas Hobbes, wo said man by nature is brutish and should be rgulated, just like the Holy bible or any other religious text and a mix of the those prevailed. Our Last Adam Smith experment led to the bailout, read about securitization and you will figure out what happened there and read about how Bush decreased the SEC and increase the banks leverage from 12 times liquid capital to 40 times liquid capital and you will understand why banks were lending so much and why a 20% default rate crippled a system that is supposed to be able to handle a 50% defaul rate based on interest gained by good borrower. Just like fott, you have know knowledge in that either. you also don't realize that wages have not rised with inflation so Americans are making less than they made in the 80's, because of the Judas' are able to outsource jobs, outlaw collective bargaining and now corporate inversion all destroying America with your help. I happen to work for the government and trade stocks, and give financial advice for free. God bless you guys, I am sorry that I touched your emotions.I hope I hope informed you, probably not, because you are brainwashed. We should not be nerds without intellect. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lucky-or-not-the-economy...
Correction, all those cities you mentioned already have a minimum wage at least 40% above the federal wage. And for a guy who's so smart your spelling and grammar is atrocious
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L.C.
4/14/2016 12:11 PM
We can argue about the wisdom of a $15 minimum wage, but one thing is certain; it is going to lead to an automation boom. Within a decade I expect to see kiosks for ordering inside fast food restaurants and automated cooking machines that prepare food on demand, always hot, and always made perfectly to order. I also expect that within a decade virtually all the trucks on the interstate will be driverless, though there will still be drivers for local pickups and deliveries at both ends.

If someone is looking for a career to choose, industrial automation has a bright future.
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BillyTheCat
4/14/2016 12:39 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
We can argue about the wisdom of a $15 minimum wage, but one thing is certain; it is going to lead to an automation boom. Within a decade I expect to see kiosks for ordering inside fast food restaurants and automated cooking machines that prepare food on demand, always hot, and always made perfectly to order. I also expect that within a decade virtually all the trucks on the interstate will be driverless, though there will still be drivers for local pickups and deliveries at both ends.

If someone is looking for a career to choose, industrial automation has a bright future.
Again, automation is going to happen regardless of the wage
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El Gato Roberto
4/14/2016 1:04 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
We can argue about the wisdom of a $15 minimum wage, but one thing is certain; it is going to lead to an automation boom. Within a decade I expect to see kiosks for ordering inside fast food restaurants and automated cooking machines that prepare food on demand, always hot, and always made perfectly to order. I also expect that within a decade virtually all the trucks on the interstate will be driverless, though there will still be drivers for local pickups and deliveries at both ends.

If someone is looking for a career to choose, industrial automation has a bright future.
Again, automation is going to happen regardless of the wage
Agree.

...well, except running backs...
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L.C.
4/14/2016 1:44 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Again, automation is going to happen regardless of the wage

Of course automation will happen sooner or later because, with or without changes to minimum wage, wage rates will rise, while automation costs will continue to decline. Automation gets implemented when automation becomes cheaper than labor. For the same reason, the faster wage rates go up, the faster automation will be implemented.
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Cats-22
4/14/2016 6:12 PM
It does seem like a minimum wage encourages companies to (over) invest in automation in a way that something like the EITC doesn't. One more reason why I like the EITC better than minimum wage, I guess.
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allen
4/14/2016 7:05 PM
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$1.35 indeed.

That is until Allen gets that raise to $15 an hour for making your coffee at McDonalds.

Then the price of your coffee and his opinion will jump to $3.
And if that helps get a family off federal and state welfare benefits, I'll gladly pay that $3 as a personal choice. You are paying extra one way or another, either in higher prices or expanding welfare rolls. Walmart workers recieved $6.2 Billion dollars last year in benefits.

Sad how nerdy and crazy we can be. I wish you guys well. You probably shouldn't worry about Walmart workers, if you have notor do not work there. There are cities like New york and Seattle that are raising their minimum wages to 15.00 per hour because they know that people can't live off of $7.25. See when America was founded there were two separate theories, Adam Smith Laissez Fairism, leave the government out and that would result in monopolies like the 62 people having the wealth of half the people in the world, which is the current case. None of you are apart of that 62, but like sheeps you worship and follow them. then there was Thomas Hobbes, wo said man by nature is brutish and should be rgulated, just like the Holy bible or any other religious text and a mix of the those prevailed. Our Last Adam Smith experment led to the bailout, read about securitization and you will figure out what happened there and read about how Bush decreased the SEC and increase the banks leverage from 12 times liquid capital to 40 times liquid capital and you will understand why banks were lending so much and why a 20% default rate crippled a system that is supposed to be able to handle a 50% defaul rate based on interest gained by good borrower. Just like fott, you have know knowledge in that either. you also don't realize that wages have not rised with inflation so Americans are making less than they made in the 80's, because of the Judas' are able to outsource jobs, outlaw collective bargaining and now corporate inversion all destroying America with your help. I happen to work for the government and trade stocks, and give financial advice for free. God bless you guys, I am sorry that I touched your emotions.I hope I hope informed you, probably not, because you are brainwashed. We should not be nerds without intellect. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lucky-or-not-the-economy...
Your President..Mr. Clinton caused the issues with the financial institutions.

In 1999 he deregulated the banks by signing of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley into law.

Clinton said, “This is a day we can celebrate as an American day” and that ” the Glass-Steagall law is no longer appropriate for the economy in which we live” and “today what we are doing is modernizing the financial services industry, tearing down these antiquated laws and granting banks significant new authority” and “This is a very good day for the United States.”

This gave greedy sob's like yourself the ability to go unwatched and unfetered into selling people loans they could not afford.

You are delusional. The Judas' caused both the savings and loan crisis and the Great Recession. Who got rid of the uptick rule? Who got rid of the SEC? Who is asking again to remove the regulation? Your political lack of knowledge positively correlates with your football knowledge.
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allen
4/14/2016 7:14 PM
It's nothing like truck driver knowledge. When those Rhodes scholars get on their CB's and talk about four wheeler's which Pilot has the biggest hot dogs, we should listen. We need to have a truck driver president. Trump is driving the truck drivers. I hear it right now, Drump is going to change things, he is going to shake those fellers up. Drrrruuuummmmmpppppppppp
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