Wait for it...........it's coming............

This report is probably pretty accurate from my perspective.
There is always so many coaching changes in this league that one really needs to also look at stability in a program along with winning. Frank continues to prove his ability to provide both.
While many on this board would like to see more 10 win seasons and MACC and bowl game wins the program has been turned around and is a consistent winner.
I am excited for the start of a new season.





GO BOBCATS

Yeah, Frank must have paid these guys off. This evaluation is probably closer to objective than certain posters are on here. All around achievement wise Solich is not middle of pack. No MACC, that's another story.

Answer the question, jack: If we were looking to hire a head coach, would you be thrilled to hear that we hired a guy who had been a MAC head coach for 11 years but hadn't won a title?



AFTER 11 YEARS, HE'S HAD ENOUGH INFLUENCE AND SUPPORT TO HAVE BROUGHT DOWN A TITLE AND NOT GOTTEN CREAMED SO MANY TIMES OVER THE LAST FOUR SEASONS. THAT'S GARBAGE ABOUT IT ALL BEING SOME ASSUMPTION THAT IT'S EASY TO WIN IN MAC.

HINT: MEDIOCRE IS MEDIOCRE.

Given the "Baylor. Wow." thread below this one, and putting things in perspective, Athlon seems about right. Sure I'd like a MACC but I' m not going to crucify a winning football coach at Ohio U. since Ohio usually stinks in football. Solich's players seem to be good citizens (from what I can tell 200 miles away), they graduate with decent grades and the program's clean. Works for me.

PS. Yes I want a MACC but I want a clean and honest program I can proud of much more. Besides, the only Ohio alumni that even care about a MACC are those that read this board. All the other Ohio alumni simply don't. I come from a family of OU alumni and none of them care at all. I'm the outlier in my family.

Anyway, I hope all of you have a very happy Memorial Day weekend!

I agree that this is significantly true...which is sad given the very... unusually... high affinity for OHIO on the part of students and former students, etc.


66--just answer the question.




I hope that R Fox has it in his heart to forgive me for agreeing with him for once!

(1) Winning a MACC does NOT define a successful program (only in your mind is that true).
(2) We are NOT a mediocre program. Sorry Monroe check the W-L record and try for once to deal with FACTS.
(3) Go root for USC or UCLA since Ohio will NEVER be a top program nationally as you seemingly want to think should happen. It's the MAC ... get it?
(4) You are a broken record ... does someone pay you for each of your (repetitive) posts?

Alumni don't care that much about a MACC and I agree. The bowl game is more important to my OU alumni family. They aren't completely aware of the MACC, and definitely not the streak of years without a MACC. I get some questions about crowd size when they go and see it packed.

Yes, and our schedule is what it is. We ARE in the MAC and thus we play MAC teams.

So winning a MACC is the only thing that defines success? The achievements of the student athletes in the classroom mean nothing? The consistency in the program is meaningless? Actually I think your thinking is not optimized .... since you place everything on a single variable. Actually you picked on the wrong guy ... my MS at Ohio is in Operations Research and we studied quite a bit about optimization. There can be multiple variables that one tries to optimize in an objective function.

And last --- I'm not angry. Just perplexed that you post the same stuff over and over and over and over and .....................

99.9% of Ohio alums do NOT care about a MACC in football.

If your sole 'important' variable were so IMPORTANT then per your criteria Frank would be gone by now.

But he's still here .... doing the job he was hired to do .. building a program that is impressive in multiple areas (i.e. variables).

Stick with Finance/Accounting .. Optimization isn't your strong suit IMO.

Many alums at most universities the size of Ohio don't follow intercollegiate athletics closely. Most are focused on their career, family life, kids, etc.

FYI --- the guys playing football are STUDENT-athletes. 99.9% of them will need to pursue a career other than pro sports after graduation. So a clean program and kids doing well academically is highly important. Or do you prefer we have football teams like Baylor or any other number of teams that have seemingly done well on the field only to have BIG problems off the field?

Rant on ... you always want to get in the last word. So go for it. Maybe one day you'll actually comprehend what intercollegiate athletics is all about.

I don't feel like I agree with anyone specific on here, but I'll add a couple thoughts to this thread. First, "rankings", such as these, are effectively pointless to me most of the time, but it gets us talking, so I guess it's a success in that regard.


Second, I fully agree that part of defining success for a MAC Football program should include the number of times you've been to or won the MAC Title game. While it might draw more attention, 90% of the bowl games the MAC plays in are useless attempts by ESPN to sell advertising. (Like most bowl games are). For me, Ohio is a mid-pack program until it wins in Detroit. That's not an insult to the work that's been done here, because it's considerably better than pre-Frank. It's just my opinion on Ohio, and MAC Football as a whole.


Third, I agree that a large number of Ohio Alumni don't care much about football. Some because they don't care about sports, others because they're ignorant and define Ohio University and the MAC as not being "big time" enough for their sports watching ego's. As an example, I have college roomies who are planning to attend an Ohio game with me this fall around the O$U schedule. I'm disgusted, but I otherwise love the guys, so I roll with it. Whatever the reason, I feel sorry for those who small time their own Alma Mater(s). They miss out. In fact, I'll take it a step farther for me personally. If it weren't for Ohio Football, and a little bit UC Football (family of Bearcats around me), I would pretty much be disengaged from college football because of what it's become in the "P5". I agree with mid70's that most players coming to Ohio aren't destined for pro careers. Frankly, I like that feeling that we're still watching college sports in Athens, rather than the pro-feel up here in Central Ohio.


Fourth, I'd like to ask (hence the reason for quoting mid70's post) what exactly you mean by "Many alums at most universities the size of Ohio don't follow intercollegiate athletics closely."?? I know not everyone focuses on sports in the way many of us on here do, but I guess I feel like in the State of Ohio, college football is sort of a big deal. I'm curious to understand what you mean by that?