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UpSan Bobcat
9/8/2016 12:44 PM
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17447429/power-5-...

ESPN's Outside the Lines analyzed each college football program as far as how much money was spent and where it came from. Not surprisingly, it shows a huge disparity between P5 and G5 schools. Here's some info on Ohio for 2015:

Income
Ticket sales: $1,220,176 (91st of 105 public schools, 6th in the MAC)
Student subsidies: $16,354,881 (5th of 105 public schools, 1st in MAC)
Guarantee games: $700,000 (58th public, 9th in MAC)
Contributions: $3,048,381 (80th public, 1st in MAC)
Direct state government support: $0 (only 20 schools get this, none from MAC)
University subsidy: $0 (only 24 public schools get none, only school in MAC to get $0)
NCAA money: $1,432,623 (56th public, 5th in MAC, not sure what this is but it seems kind of random with big and little schools all over in rankings)
Conference money: $961,000 (88th public, 6th in MAC)
Media rights: $2,758 (83rd public, 8th in MAC)
Endowment: $156,586 (64th public, 5th in MAC)
Total operating revenue: $28,709,413 (86th overall among all 125, private included, in this category, 6th in MAC)

Expenses
Student athlete scholarships: $7,214,118 (90th among all 125 schools, 8th in MAC)
Money from away games: $844,000 (69th among 105 public, 3rd in MAC)
Coaches salaries and benefits: $5,328,810, 86th public, 8th in MAC)
Support staff salaries and benefits: $2,874,698, 98th public, 12th in MAC)
Severance payments: $0 (41 schools have none, including 9 from MAC)
Recruiting: $554,948 (78th public, 5th in MAC)
Team travel: $1,775,672 (122nd, 11th in MAC)
Equipment and uniforms: $753,475 (92nd, 11th in MAC)
Game expenses: $316563 (105th of 105, 12th in MAC)
Medical expenses and insurance: $668,971 (66th public, 3rd in MAC)
Total operating expenses: $27,110,443 (111th overall among all, 9th in MAC)

Net revenue (minus subsidies): $-14,755,911 (67th among 105 public, 2nd in MAC, only BG had a smaller loss)
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GoCats105
9/8/2016 12:49 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17447429/power-5-...

ESPN's Outside the Lines analyzed each college football program as far as how much money was spent and where it came from. Not surprisingly, it shows a huge disparity between P5 and G5 schools. Here's some info on Ohio for 2015:

Income
Ticket sales: $1,220,176 (91st of 105 public schools, 6th in the MAC)
Student subsidies: $16,354,881 (5th of 105 public schools, 1st in MAC)
Guarantee games: $700,000 (58th public, 9th in MAC)
Contributions: $3,048,381 (80th public, 1st in MAC)
Direct state government support: $0 (only 20 schools get this, none from MAC)
University subsidy: $0 (only 24 public schools get none, only school in MAC to get $0)
NCAA money: $1,432,623 (56th public, 5th in MAC, not sure what this is but it seems kind of random with big and little schools all over in rankings)
Conference money: $961,000 (88th public, 6th in MAC)
Media rights: $2,758 (83rd public, 8th in MAC)
Endowment: $156,586 (64th public, 5th in MAC)
Total operating revenue: $28,709,413 (86th overall among all 125, private included, in this category, 6th in MAC)

Expenses
Student athlete scholarships: $7,214,118 (90th among all 125 schools, 8th in MAC)
Money from away games: $844,000 (69th among 105 public, 3rd in MAC)
Coaches salaries and benefits: $5,328,810, 86th public, 8th in MAC)
Support staff salaries and benefits: $2,874,698, 98th public, 12th in MAC)
Severance payments: $0 (41 schools have none, including 9 from MAC)
Recruiting: $554,948 (78th public, 5th in MAC)
Team travel: $1,775,672 (122nd, 11th in MAC)
Equipment and uniforms: $753,475 (92nd, 11th in MAC)
Game expenses: $316563 (105th of 105, 12th in MAC)
Medical expenses and insurance: $668,971 (66th public, 3rd in MAC)
Total operating expenses: $27,110,443 (111th overall among all, 9th in MAC)

Net revenue (minus subsidies): $-14,755,911 (67th among 105 public, 2nd in MAC, only BG had a smaller loss)
Interesting how they separated University Subsidies and Student Subsidies. I would think those are essentially the same thing depending on how you classify them on your books?

And can you imagine the outrage of those 20 schools getting STATE funding to run a football program? Let me guess: most of those are in the South where football matters over everything else? Imagine if that were happening to Ohio.
Last Edited: 9/8/2016 12:52:51 PM by GoCats105
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GoCats105
9/8/2016 12:52 PM
Last Edited: 9/8/2016 12:52:37 PM by GoCats105
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Bcat2
9/8/2016 12:58 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17447429/power-5-...

ESPN's Outside the Lines analyzed each college football program as far as how much money was spent and where it came from. Not surprisingly, it shows a huge disparity between P5 and G5 schools. Here's some info on Ohio for 2015:

Income
Ticket sales: $1,220,176 (91st of 105 public schools, 6th in the MAC)
Student subsidies: $16,354,881 (5th of 105 public schools, 1st in MAC)
Guarantee games: $700,000 (58th public, 9th in MAC)
Contributions: $3,048,381 (80th public, 1st in MAC)
Direct state government support: $0 (only 20 schools get this, none from MAC)
University subsidy: $0 (only 24 public schools get none, only school in MAC to get $0)
NCAA money: $1,432,623 (56th public, 5th in MAC, not sure what this is but it seems kind of random with big and little schools all over in rankings)
Conference money: $961,000 (88th public, 6th in MAC)
Media rights: $2,758 (83rd public, 8th in MAC)
Endowment: $156,586 (64th public, 5th in MAC)
Total operating revenue: $28,709,413 (86th overall among all 125, private included, in this category, 6th in MAC)

Expenses
Student athlete scholarships: $7,214,118 (90th among all 125 schools, 8th in MAC)
Money from away games: $844,000 (69th among 105 public, 3rd in MAC)
Coaches salaries and benefits: $5,328,810, 86th public, 8th in MAC)
Support staff salaries and benefits: $2,874,698, 98th public, 12th in MAC)
Severance payments: $0 (41 schools have none, including 9 from MAC)
Recruiting: $554,948 (78th public, 5th in MAC)
Team travel: $1,775,672 (122nd, 11th in MAC)
Equipment and uniforms: $753,475 (92nd, 11th in MAC)
Game expenses: $316563 (105th of 105, 12th in MAC)
Medical expenses and insurance: $668,971 (66th public, 3rd in MAC)
Total operating expenses: $27,110,443 (111th overall among all, 9th in MAC)

Net revenue (minus subsidies): $-14,755,911 (67th among 105 public, 2nd in MAC, only BG had a smaller loss)
Contributions, #1 in MAC. Are contributions to facilities included?
Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.
Games expenses, (105th of 105, 12th in MAC), what are these?
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Dexcat
9/8/2016 1:00 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Expenses
Student athlete scholarships: $7,214,118 (90th among all 125 schools, 8th in MAC)
Money from away games: $844,000 (69th among 105 public, 3rd in MAC)
I believe "Money from away games" would be income. I am sure that we are getting paid to go to a P5 school to play a non conference game. Well maybe not Kansas....
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GoCats105
9/8/2016 1:08 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17447429/power-5-...

ESPN's Outside the Lines analyzed each college football program as far as how much money was spent and where it came from. Not surprisingly, it shows a huge disparity between P5 and G5 schools. Here's some info on Ohio for 2015:

Income
Ticket sales: $1,220,176 (91st of 105 public schools, 6th in the MAC)
Student subsidies: $16,354,881 (5th of 105 public schools, 1st in MAC)
Guarantee games: $700,000 (58th public, 9th in MAC)
Contributions: $3,048,381 (80th public, 1st in MAC)
Direct state government support: $0 (only 20 schools get this, none from MAC)
University subsidy: $0 (only 24 public schools get none, only school in MAC to get $0)
NCAA money: $1,432,623 (56th public, 5th in MAC, not sure what this is but it seems kind of random with big and little schools all over in rankings)
Conference money: $961,000 (88th public, 6th in MAC)
Media rights: $2,758 (83rd public, 8th in MAC)
Endowment: $156,586 (64th public, 5th in MAC)
Total operating revenue: $28,709,413 (86th overall among all 125, private included, in this category, 6th in MAC)

Expenses
Student athlete scholarships: $7,214,118 (90th among all 125 schools, 8th in MAC)
Money from away games: $844,000 (69th among 105 public, 3rd in MAC)
Coaches salaries and benefits: $5,328,810, 86th public, 8th in MAC)
Support staff salaries and benefits: $2,874,698, 98th public, 12th in MAC)
Severance payments: $0 (41 schools have none, including 9 from MAC)
Recruiting: $554,948 (78th public, 5th in MAC)
Team travel: $1,775,672 (122nd, 11th in MAC)
Equipment and uniforms: $753,475 (92nd, 11th in MAC)
Game expenses: $316563 (105th of 105, 12th in MAC)
Medical expenses and insurance: $668,971 (66th public, 3rd in MAC)
Total operating expenses: $27,110,443 (111th overall among all, 9th in MAC)

Net revenue (minus subsidies): $-14,755,911 (67th among 105 public, 2nd in MAC, only BG had a smaller loss)
Contributions, #1 in MAC. Are contributions to facilities included?
Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.
Games expenses, (105th of 105, 12th in MAC), what are these?
RE: game expenses...first thought in my head was how much we spend to have non-conf opponents visit Peden?
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GoCats105
9/8/2016 1:09 PM
Dexcat wrote:expand_more
Expenses
Student athlete scholarships: $7,214,118 (90th among all 125 schools, 8th in MAC)
Money from away games: $844,000 (69th among 105 public, 3rd in MAC)
I believe "Money from away games" would be income. I am sure that we are getting paid to go to a P5 school to play a non conference game. Well maybe not Kansas....
That's under guarantee games in the top section. This probably how much we spend to go to away games.
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Dexcat
9/8/2016 1:17 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Expenses
Student athlete scholarships: $7,214,118 (90th among all 125 schools, 8th in MAC)
Money from away games: $844,000 (69th among 105 public, 3rd in MAC)
I believe "Money from away games" would be income. I am sure that we are getting paid to go to a P5 school to play a non conference game. Well maybe not Kansas....
That's under guarantee games in the top section. This probably how much we spend to go to away games.
Ahh okay, thanks for clearing that up.
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Monroe Slavin
9/8/2016 2:48 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17447429/power-5-...

ESPN's Outside the Lines analyzed each college football program as far as how much money was spent and where it came from. Not surprisingly, it shows a huge disparity between P5 and G5 schools. Here's some info on Ohio for 2015:

Income
Ticket sales: $1,220,176 (91st of 105 public schools, 6th in the MAC)
Student subsidies: $16,354,881 (5th of 105 public schools, 1st in MAC)
Guarantee games: $700,000 (58th public, 9th in MAC)
Contributions: $3,048,381 (80th public, 1st in MAC)
Direct state government support: $0 (only 20 schools get this, none from MAC)
University subsidy: $0 (only 24 public schools get none, only school in MAC to get $0)
NCAA money: $1,432,623 (56th public, 5th in MAC, not sure what this is but it seems kind of random with big and little schools all over in rankings)
Conference money: $961,000 (88th public, 6th in MAC)
Media rights: $2,758 (83rd public, 8th in MAC)
Endowment: $156,586 (64th public, 5th in MAC)
Total operating revenue: $28,709,413 (86th overall among all 125, private included, in this category, 6th in MAC)

Expenses
Student athlete scholarships: $7,214,118 (90th among all 125 schools, 8th in MAC)
Money from away games: $844,000 (69th among 105 public, 3rd in MAC)
Coaches salaries and benefits: $5,328,810, 86th public, 8th in MAC)
Support staff salaries and benefits: $2,874,698, 98th public, 12th in MAC)
Severance payments: $0 (41 schools have none, including 9 from MAC)
Recruiting: $554,948 (78th public, 5th in MAC)
Team travel: $1,775,672 (122nd, 11th in MAC)
Equipment and uniforms: $753,475 (92nd, 11th in MAC)
Game expenses: $316563 (105th of 105, 12th in MAC)
Medical expenses and insurance: $668,971 (66th public, 3rd in MAC)
Total operating expenses: $27,110,443 (111th overall among all, 9th in MAC)

Net revenue (minus subsidies): $-14,755,911 (67th among 105 public, 2nd in MAC, only BG had a smaller loss)
Contributions, #1 in MAC. Are contributions to facilities included?
Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.
Games expenses, (105th of 105, 12th in MAC), what are these?

Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.

Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.

Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.

Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.

Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.

Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.

Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.


Maybe if we repeat it a lot more than 2 or 3 SFB will buy it.
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cc-cat
9/8/2016 3:01 PM
'roe -- My Man!! - Just think how we could fix the Tower concessions with that money!!


So we had a net loss of $1,598,970

UpSan - how does that stack up?
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BillyTheCat
9/8/2016 3:35 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
'roe -- My Man!! - Just think how we could fix the Tower concessions with that money!!


So we had a net loss of $1,598,970

UpSan - how does that stack up?
We only have a net loss that small due to the 5th highest student subsidies in the country. Remove that support and count real revenue and what is our operating loss.
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OU_Country
9/8/2016 3:57 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
'roe -- My Man!! - Just think how we could fix the Tower concessions with that money!!


So we had a net loss of $1,598,970

UpSan - how does that stack up?
We only have a net loss that small due to the 5th highest student subsidies in the country. Remove that support and count real revenue and what is our operating loss.

Something I would be fascinated to see is how that revenue and operating gain/loss compares to other sports at Ohio University - specifically, Men's and Women's basketball, and volleyball, along with baseball.
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Bcat2
9/8/2016 4:06 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
'roe -- My Man!! - Just think how we could fix the Tower concessions with that money!!


So we had a net loss of $1,598,970

UpSan - how does that stack up?
We only have a net loss that small due to the 5th highest student subsidies in the country. Remove that support and count real revenue and what is our operating loss.

Something I would be fascinated to see is how that revenue and operating gain/loss compares to other sports at Ohio University - specifically, Men's and Women's basketball, and volleyball, along with baseball.
With the like numbers from the other schools in the MAC.
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cc-cat
9/8/2016 4:11 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
'roe -- My Man!! - Just think how we could fix the Tower concessions with that money!!


So we had a net loss of $1,598,970

UpSan - how does that stack up?
We only have a net loss that small due to the 5th highest student subsidies in the country. Remove that support and count real revenue and what is our operating loss.
Yes, Upsan pointed that out in his initial post. Along with the fact that all but one other university in the MAC lost more - we make up for that loss via student subsidies. How do the other MAC teams address it? How do others handle the finances?
Last Edited: 9/8/2016 4:21:46 PM by cc-cat
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OU_Country
9/8/2016 4:41 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
'roe -- My Man!! - Just think how we could fix the Tower concessions with that money!!


So we had a net loss of $1,598,970

UpSan - how does that stack up?
We only have a net loss that small due to the 5th highest student subsidies in the country. Remove that support and count real revenue and what is our operating loss.

Something I would be fascinated to see is how that revenue and operating gain/loss compares to other sports at Ohio University - specifically, Men's and Women's basketball, and volleyball, along with baseball.
With the like numbers from the other schools in the MAC.
Agreed! I'm not sure where to search that out, but it has to exist from some time in the last 2-3 years, right?
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UpSan Bobcat
9/8/2016 8:31 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17447429/power-5-...

ESPN's Outside the Lines analyzed each college football program as far as how much money was spent and where it came from. Not surprisingly, it shows a huge disparity between P5 and G5 schools. Here's some info on Ohio for 2015:

Income
Ticket sales: $1,220,176 (91st of 105 public schools, 6th in the MAC)
Student subsidies: $16,354,881 (5th of 105 public schools, 1st in MAC)
Guarantee games: $700,000 (58th public, 9th in MAC)
Contributions: $3,048,381 (80th public, 1st in MAC)
Direct state government support: $0 (only 20 schools get this, none from MAC)
University subsidy: $0 (only 24 public schools get none, only school in MAC to get $0)
NCAA money: $1,432,623 (56th public, 5th in MAC, not sure what this is but it seems kind of random with big and little schools all over in rankings)
Conference money: $961,000 (88th public, 6th in MAC)
Media rights: $2,758 (83rd public, 8th in MAC)
Endowment: $156,586 (64th public, 5th in MAC)
Total operating revenue: $28,709,413 (86th overall among all 125, private included, in this category, 6th in MAC)

Expenses
Student athlete scholarships: $7,214,118 (90th among all 125 schools, 8th in MAC)
Money from away games: $844,000 (69th among 105 public, 3rd in MAC)
Coaches salaries and benefits: $5,328,810, 86th public, 8th in MAC)
Support staff salaries and benefits: $2,874,698, 98th public, 12th in MAC)
Severance payments: $0 (41 schools have none, including 9 from MAC)
Recruiting: $554,948 (78th public, 5th in MAC)
Team travel: $1,775,672 (122nd, 11th in MAC)
Equipment and uniforms: $753,475 (92nd, 11th in MAC)
Game expenses: $316563 (105th of 105, 12th in MAC)
Medical expenses and insurance: $668,971 (66th public, 3rd in MAC)
Total operating expenses: $27,110,443 (111th overall among all, 9th in MAC)

Net revenue (minus subsidies): $-14,755,911 (67th among 105 public, 2nd in MAC, only BG had a smaller loss)
Contributions, #1 in MAC. Are contributions to facilities included?
Coaches salaries/benefits, 8th in MAC. Ohio getting a lot of bang for their $$$.
Games expenses, (105th of 105, 12th in MAC), what are these?
RE: game expenses...first thought in my head was how much we spend to have non-conf opponents visit Peden?
I believe that's what it is. Basically the opposite of the guarantee games, it's the money Ohio pays teams to come play at Peden. It probably doesn't vary much, but of course, the guarantee game can vary quite a bit by year. For example, last year Ohio got $700,000 to go to Minnesota. I assume going to Tennessee this year will be a bigger payday.
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