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cc-cat
9/5/2016 4:36 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Redshirt him and next season let the new coaching staff have a full cupboard of backfield talent.
New coaching staff--what???
I stand by my view and prediction from last year. I've never waivered, hedged or minced words. I'm more confident Now than I was 10 months ago and Saturday has little impact.
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BillyTheCat
9/5/2016 5:29 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Frank said AJ's injury is indeed a foot injury and he didn't rule him out for the season. Sounds like he's going to miss some time though.
He has yet to red-shirt. A.J.'s run behind Irons was a thing of beauty. Would have been the same with Brown or White at RB. Irons was the key. Irons rolling the LB reminded me of Morsillo. Anyone ever expect me to hijack an A.J. thread toward Irons?

Obviously you missed irons miss a 3rd and 1 and also a 4th and 1 and don't really pay attention to the game how he turns when he hits the holes and the way he blocks. Yes that block he made on AJs run was nice but that's about the only one. White is a slot receiver and brown is good on the outside but a better returner I think. AJ is the best all around back hands down and without him in there you will see how bad we need him.
I am not touting him with the ball, there was also his fumble having made a first down. I am touting him as a lead back. He has the tools to be a great lead blocker in the two back set.
He does NOT have the mentality of a lead back! He is not yet a straight ahead runner and his ability to block has been what's kept him from the starting lineup. He's a great talent who is still learning.
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9/5/2016 5:51 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I am touting him as a lead back. He has the tools to be a great lead blocker in the two back set.
He does NOT have the mentality of a lead back! He is not yet a straight ahead runner and his ability to block has been what's kept him from the starting lineup. He's a great talent who is still learning.
I have watched him roll that Texas State LB over and over. My take is that you are mistaken. This is his third year with Solich/Albin, like Monroe once said, this is not surgery, why would he still be learning. Take the ball out of his hands, tell him, find the LB, roll the LB. Practice against Blair Brown and Poling then most of these opponent LBs would easier.
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L.C.
9/5/2016 5:58 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
He does NOT have the mentality of a lead back! He is not yet a straight ahead runner and his ability to block has been what's kept him from the starting lineup. He's a great talent who is still learning.

It's going to be time for him to learn fast.
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OhioCatFan
9/5/2016 6:04 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
. . . his ability to block has been what's kept him from the starting lineup. [/QUOTE]I asked Frank that question very directly last year. And he emphatically said that that was not true. He said Irons was blocking just fine in practices and in limited game action. The way he responded to me it was as if he'd heard this "rumor" before and want to squash it in no uncertain terms. I think we now know, based on information that was discussed in other threads, why he saw limited action last year.


[QUOTE=BillyTheCat] He's a great talent who is still learning.
In another conversation I had with Frank he confirmed this assessment of Irons' potential. Frank is very high on Irons, as well as on some of our other RBs.
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9/5/2016 6:21 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
. . . his ability to block has been what's kept him from the starting lineup.
I asked Frank that question very directly last year. And he emphatically said that that was not true. He said Irons was blocking just fine in practices and in limited game action. The way he responded to me it was as if he'd heard this "rumor" before and want to squash it in no uncertain terms. I think we now know, based on information that was discussed in other threads, why he saw limited action last year.


He's a great talent who is still learning.
In another conversation I had with Frank he confirmed this assessment of Irons' potential. Frank is very high on Irons, as well as on some of our other RBs.

So then, why has Irons not seen the field until now? Did Frank fill you in on that tid bit?
Last Edited: 9/5/2016 6:23:11 PM by BillyTheCat
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9/5/2016 6:33 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
. . . his ability to block has been what's kept him from the starting lineup.
I asked Frank that question very directly last year. And he emphatically said that that was not true. He said Irons was blocking just fine in practices and in limited game action. The way he responded to me it was as if he'd heard this "rumor" before and want to squash it in no uncertain terms. I think we now know, based on information that was discussed in other threads, why he saw limited action last year.


He's a great talent who is still learning.
In another conversation I had with Frank he confirmed this assessment of Irons' potential. Frank is very high on Irons, as well as on some of our other RBs.

So then, why has Irons not seen the field until now? Did Frank fill you in on that tid bit?
Let's just say there is such a thing as being in a coach's dog house for reasons other than athletic performance.
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allen
9/5/2016 6:51 PM
Irons and Brown will be fine, Irons is not just a blocker, yes he fumbled. He also caught the ball well and ran the ball well. Brown would have been the starter two years ago had he not fumbled three times. AJ will meissed, but these guys will be fine.
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BillyTheCat
9/5/2016 7:09 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Irons and Brown will be fine, Irons is not just a blocker, yes he fumbled. He also caught the ball well and ran the ball well. Brown would have been the starter two years ago had he not fumbled three times. AJ will meissed, but these guys will be fine.

Well which is it? OCF says he's a great blocker. 😂
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9/5/2016 7:12 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Irons and Brown will be fine, Irons is not just a blocker, yes he fumbled. He also caught the ball well and ran the ball well. Brown would have been the starter two years ago had he not fumbled three times. AJ will meissed, but these guys will be fine.

Well which is it? OCF says he's a great blocker. 😂
No, I said that his blocking had nothing to do with his lack of playing time last year, and that his blocking was at least adequate.
Last Edited: 9/5/2016 7:13:08 PM by OhioCatFan
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Monroe Slavin
9/5/2016 8:10 PM
In many ways, it's great that we're a small program such that one can actually speak with the coaches--even the head man.

That said, one must realize that coaches are never going to be anything but positive when speaking to those outside the program. And access to the coaches should not impair one's ability to judge independently for one's self.
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L.C.
9/5/2016 8:22 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
In many ways, it's great that we're a small program such that one can actually speak with the coaches--even the head man.

That said, one must realize that coaches are never going to be anything but positive when speaking to those outside the program. And access to the coaches should not impair one's ability to judge independently for one's self.

I gather that you are saying that you don't feel that Solich's comment (that Irons is a capable blocker) should be taken seriously. Therefore, I presume that you are in agreement with BTC that Irons hasn't played more because of his blocking. Isn't that a reversal of your position last year?
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OhioBobcat
9/5/2016 9:23 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Broken foot is what I heard but the MRI today will reveal all. This puts a crimp in the plans for lots of two back sets this year.
If he's in a cast tomorrow that might clear some things up.
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Monroe Slavin
9/6/2016 4:06 AM
No, I'm saying that the SFB revere Solich and staff such that if they speak anything IT IS THE TRUTH.

I prefer a more objective standard. I judge on what I see, on game results--not on what I want to believe.



As an aside, L.C., your assessment that you are not worried about our qb situation (only 1 guy had game experience before this year and he'd only thrown 53 in-game balls) is unfathomable to me. QB is far and away the most important position in football. How can you not be concerned with barely-played backed up by never played at all? Combine that with our recent history of undistinguished qb play--the present guys were behind/judged less worth than very average talent at best--and how can qb not be a significant concern?
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GoCats105
9/6/2016 7:15 AM
Find it unbelievable that Ohio's RB group was supposedly the deepest and most talented part of the team, even the coaches were super excited about them preseason. Yet we get on here and the sky is falling because AJ is gone. Let's see what the other guys can do when given the bulk of carries.
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L.C.
9/6/2016 10:16 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
...As an aside, L.C., your assessment that you are not worried about our qb situation (only 1 guy had game experience before this year and he'd only thrown 53 in-game balls) is unfathomable to me. QB is far and away the most important position in football. How can you not be concerned with barely-played backed up by never played at all? Combine that with our recent history of undistinguished qb play--the present guys were behind/judged less worth than very average talent at best--and how can qb not be a significant concern?

I have seen Windham play, and I believe he can get the job done. I'm also very impressed with Maxwell. That's why I'm not concerned. From stats alone, Windham had a very good game in his first game as a starter. I continue to not be concerned about the QB position.

I am, however, concerned about two things. I'm concerned about the continued use of the Cover 4, which so far seems to have been a failed experiment, and I'm concerned about the DB situation. Nothing in the first game did anything to alleviate either concern.

This is a team with a lot of talent, and they should win a lot of games. The offense showed that they can put some points on the board. No, Irons is not (yet) as good as AJ, nor is Dorian Brown, but both have tremendous talent, and need to step up and play. The loss of AJ saddens me, but does not concern me.

The defensive backfield situation (both formation, and lack of experience) continues to be my only concern.
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OhioBobcat
9/7/2016 9:46 PM
Anyone know the verdict on his MRI?
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OhioBobcat
9/9/2016 7:23 AM
Sounds like AJ will be back again in the near future:

"A.J. [Ouellette] is very doubtful (for Kansas game)," Ohio offensive coordinator Tim Albin said after Tuesday’s practice.

Certainly doesn't sound as serious as we first thought.
Last Edited: 9/9/2016 7:24:27 AM by OhioBobcat
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9/9/2016 9:02 AM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
Sounds like AJ will be back again in the near future:

"A.J. [Ouellette] is very doubtful (for Kansas game)," Ohio offensive coordinator Tim Albin said after Tuesday’s practice.

Certainly doesn't sound as serious as we first thought.
Could be "good" news, but during the Solich radio show Tuesday night Frank said they had not yet done an MRI. Honestly, to me he sounded like he thought is was doubtful AJ would be back anytime soon "It doesn't look good for this season". If he will only be back for a game or two at the end, is that really better than a redshirt?
Last Edited: 9/9/2016 9:03:15 AM by A-townBound
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9/9/2016 11:53 AM
A-townBound wrote:expand_more
Sounds like AJ will be back again in the near future:

"A.J. [Ouellette] is very doubtful (for Kansas game)," Ohio offensive coordinator Tim Albin said after Tuesday’s practice.

Certainly doesn't sound as serious as we first thought.
Could be "good" news, but during the Solich radio show Tuesday night Frank said they had not yet done an MRI. Honestly, to me he sounded like he thought is was doubtful AJ would be back anytime soon "It doesn't look good for this season". If he will only be back for a game or two at the end, is that really better than a redshirt?
I agree. I'd say if he's not good to go by the Miami game then he should redshirt. Why lose an entire season when he still has a redshirt available. I just found it interesting that Albin said he was doubtful for Kansas as reports have made it sound like he was actually doubtful for the season.
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Monroe Slavin
9/9/2016 3:47 PM
A-townBound wrote:expand_more
Sounds like AJ will be back again in the near future:

"A.J. [Ouellette] is very doubtful (for Kansas game)," Ohio offensive coordinator Tim Albin said after Tuesday’s practice.

Certainly doesn't sound as serious as we first thought.
Could be "good" news, but during the Solich radio show Tuesday night Frank said they had not yet done an MRI. Honestly, to me he sounded like he thought is was doubtful AJ would be back anytime soon "It doesn't look good for this season". If he will only be back for a game or two at the end, is that really better than a redshirt?
Not done an MRI yet?

I'm in no way a medical expert but isn't an MRI standard procedure first thing done for these injuries.

Or is it just that at the time Solich spoke the MRI results were not known? Or restrictions on giving out medical info? But those things ae different from 'not done yet.'
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9/9/2016 3:50 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Sounds like AJ will be back again in the near future:

"A.J. [Ouellette] is very doubtful (for Kansas game)," Ohio offensive coordinator Tim Albin said after Tuesday’s practice.

Certainly doesn't sound as serious as we first thought.
Could be "good" news, but during the Solich radio show Tuesday night Frank said they had not yet done an MRI. Honestly, to me he sounded like he thought is was doubtful AJ would be back anytime soon "It doesn't look good for this season". If he will only be back for a game or two at the end, is that really better than a redshirt?
Not done an MRI yet?

I'm in no way a medical expert but isn't an MRI standard procedure first thing done for these injuries.

Or is it just that at the time Solich spoke the MRI results were not known? Or restrictions on giving out medical info? But those things ae different from 'not done yet.'
Probably still in the waiting room at O'Bleness.
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OhioBobcat
9/9/2016 4:14 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Sounds like AJ will be back again in the near future:

"A.J. [Ouellette] is very doubtful (for Kansas game)," Ohio offensive coordinator Tim Albin said after Tuesday’s practice.

Certainly doesn't sound as serious as we first thought.
Could be "good" news, but during the Solich radio show Tuesday night Frank said they had not yet done an MRI. Honestly, to me he sounded like he thought is was doubtful AJ would be back anytime soon "It doesn't look good for this season". If he will only be back for a game or two at the end, is that really better than a redshirt?
Not done an MRI yet?

I'm in no way a medical expert but isn't an MRI standard procedure first thing done for these injuries.

Or is it just that at the time Solich spoke the MRI results were not known? Or restrictions on giving out medical info? But those things ae different from 'not done yet.'
I heard he was having one this past Monday, so who knows what's going on. I'm not exactly sure what the big mystery is with this particular injury. Most of the time they're reported and are very cut and dry. For some reason this one is being kept under wraps and is being handled like it's a top secret, which only seems to draw more attention to it.
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9/9/2016 8:10 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Sounds like AJ will be back again in the near future:

"A.J. [Ouellette] is very doubtful (for Kansas game)," Ohio offensive coordinator Tim Albin said after Tuesday’s practice.

Certainly doesn't sound as serious as we first thought.
Could be "good" news, but during the Solich radio show Tuesday night Frank said they had not yet done an MRI. Honestly, to me he sounded like he thought is was doubtful AJ would be back anytime soon "It doesn't look good for this season". If he will only be back for a game or two at the end, is that really better than a redshirt?
Not done an MRI yet?

I'm in no way a medical expert but isn't an MRI standard procedure first thing done for these injuries.

Or is it just that at the time Solich spoke the MRI results were not known? Or restrictions on giving out medical info? But those things ae different from 'not done yet.'
Probably still in the waiting room at O'Bleness.
Where they're analyzing the wrong foot. Sorry, harking back to my own experiences there in the early 1980s.
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OhioBobcat
9/9/2016 9:18 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Sounds like AJ will be back again in the near future:

"A.J. [Ouellette] is very doubtful (for Kansas game)," Ohio offensive coordinator Tim Albin said after Tuesday’s practice.

Certainly doesn't sound as serious as we first thought.
Could be "good" news, but during the Solich radio show Tuesday night Frank said they had not yet done an MRI. Honestly, to me he sounded like he thought is was doubtful AJ would be back anytime soon "It doesn't look good for this season". If he will only be back for a game or two at the end, is that really better than a redshirt?
Not done an MRI yet?

I'm in no way a medical expert but isn't an MRI standard procedure first thing done for these injuries.

Or is it just that at the time Solich spoke the MRI results were not known? Or restrictions on giving out medical info? But those things ae different from 'not done yet.'
Probably still in the waiting room at O'Bleness.
Where they're analyzing the wrong foot. Sorry, harking back to my own experiences there in the early 1980s.
LMAO!!
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