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Topic: The Post: Faculty Senate votes to oppose Sook Center construction
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Alan Swank
5/20/2016 9:51 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
And many feel the university proposed a project that was neither needed and unwarranted and are willing to say that publicly.

End of story.
Allen, you said the Faculty Senate has been opposed to this project since it was first proposed.

It seems unusual,therefore,that they waited until May of this year,after the project is fully funded,to,as The Post said, "take an official stand on the matter".

If they thought it was neither needed or warranted,I would have thought that they would have passed an opposition resolution when it was first proposed,especially since the University was going to be looking for donations to fund it.
RP, according to this article they did take an official stand and passed a resolution back in November of 2014.

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/faculty-senate-ques...
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rpbobcat
5/20/2016 10:40 AM
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I think the Faculty lose fights like this because third parties (or Board members) look at the $500 million the university just raised, and the amount of that going to athletics during that campaign (1-2% maybe?), and wonder what the big deal is.

A long time Bobcat-affiliated person can walk around campus and sees a slew of renovated/new(or new-ish) buildings for students/academics and wonder, what is the big deal? Old Baker. New Baker. Walter International Education Center. The Engineering Academic and Research Center, Walter Hall. Copeland. Grover Center. Renovated dorms. New dorms. The Health Sciences building. Renovated dining halls. McCracken Hall renovation under way. That's a lot of colleges with new and/or relatively new facilities.

But, forget all that! We have a travesty of justice here! An alum wants to support athletics! Bring out the pitch forks! Set the bonfires! Ressurect John Snow! Get that big red headed due to rally the Wildlings!..... To War!!!!!!!
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rpbobcat
5/20/2016 10:50 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
And many feel the university proposed a project that was neither needed and unwarranted and are willing to say that publicly.

End of story.
Allen, you said the Faculty Senate has been opposed to this project since it was first proposed.

It seems unusual,therefore,that they waited until May of this year,after the project is fully funded,to,as The Post said, "take an official stand on the matter".

If they thought it was neither needed or warranted,I would have thought that they would have passed an opposition resolution when it was first proposed,especially since the University was going to be looking for donations to fund it.
RP, according to this article they did take an official stand and passed a resolution back in November of 2014.

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/faculty-senate-ques...

I'd hardly call what the Faculty Senate did in 2014 (expressing concerns) "taking a stand".

In fact based on the article,it seems they went out of their way not to take a definitive position on the project.
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The Optimist
5/20/2016 1:12 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
I think the Faculty lose fights like this because third parties (or Board members) look at the $500 million the university just raised, and the amount of that going to athletics during that campaign (1-2% maybe?), and wonder what the big deal is.

A long time Bobcat-affiliated person can walk around campus and sees a slew of renovated/new(or new-ish) buildings for students/academics and wonder, what is the big deal? Old Baker. New Baker. Walter International Education Center. The Engineering Academic and Research Center, Walter Hall. Copeland. Grover Center. Renovated dorms. New dorms. The Health Sciences building. Renovated dining halls. McCracken Hall renovation under way. That's a lot of colleges with new and/or relatively new facilities.

But, forget all that! We have a travesty of justice here! An alum wants to support athletics! Bring out the pitch forks! Set the bonfires! Ressurect John Snow! Get that big red headed due to rally the Wildlings!..... To War!!!!!!!
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L.C.
5/20/2016 4:55 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Allen, you said the Faculty Senate has been opposed to this project since it was first proposed.

It seems unusual,therefore,that they waited until May of this year,after the project is fully funded,to,as The Post said, "take an official stand on the matter".

If they thought it was neither needed or warranted,I would have thought that they would have passed an opposition resolution when it was first proposed,especially since the University was going to be looking for donations to fund it.

Being a bit of a cynic, allow me to posit the possibility that it was deliberate. Perhaps they recognize that, in the distorted reality that is the 21st century, general fund giving is correlated to athletic success, and therefore the goal was not actually to prevent the project, but merely to add a footnote to preserve their intellectual purity.
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Bcat2
5/20/2016 5:47 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Allen, you said the Faculty Senate has been opposed to this project since it was first proposed.

It seems unusual,therefore,that they waited until May of this year,after the project is fully funded,to,as The Post said, "take an official stand on the matter".

If they thought it was neither needed or warranted,I would have thought that they would have passed an opposition resolution when it was first proposed,especially since the University was going to be looking for donations to fund it.

Being a bit of a cynic, allow me to posit the possibility that it was deliberate. Perhaps they recognize that, in the distorted reality that is the 21st century, general fund giving is correlated to athletic success, and therefore the goal was not actually to prevent the project, but merely to add a footnote to preserve their intellectual purity.
"a bit of a cynic" :).
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Alan Swank
6/20/2016 9:23 PM
Interesting that only 1/3 of the money has actually been collected:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-poised-to-ok-maj...
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rpbobcat
6/21/2016 6:39 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Interesting that only 1/3 of the money has actually been collected:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-poised-to-ok-maj...
That's not uncommon.
In the case of both the IPF and Sook Center,the university let you pledge $1000 which gets your name on the building's plaque.But they offer you options to make that donation over a period of time.
Some people also pledge x dollars per year.

The article also doesn't give any indication that their are any issues with the pledged contributions coming in.
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The Optimist
6/21/2016 8:13 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Interesting that only 1/3 of the money has actually been collected:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-poised-to-ok-maj...
Some people also pledge x dollars per year.
That's what I did.

Are people really concerned about creditworthiness from people donating money?

LOL
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Alan Swank
6/21/2016 9:37 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Interesting that only 1/3 of the money has actually been collected:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-poised-to-ok-maj...
Some people also pledge x dollars per year.
That's what I did.

Are people really concerned about creditworthiness from people donating money?

LOL
Credit worthiness and commitment are two different things. People do change their minds or their circumstances change. The amount of reserve funds that are having to be used is a bit troublesome.
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rpbobcat
6/21/2016 7:55 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Interesting that only 1/3 of the money has actually been collected:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-poised-to-ok-maj...
Some people also pledge x dollars per year.
That's what I did.

Are people really concerned about creditworthiness from people donating money?

LOL
Credit worthiness and commitment are two different things. People do change their minds or their circumstances change. The amount of reserve funds that are having to be used is a bit troublesome.
If the IPF is an example, people seem to have followed through on their pledges.
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Bcat2
6/21/2016 9:53 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Interesting that only 1/3 of the money has actually been collected:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-poised-to-ok-maj...
Some people also pledge x dollars per year.
That's what I did.

Are people really concerned about creditworthiness from people donating money?

LOL
Credit worthiness and commitment are two different things. People do change their minds or their circumstances change. The amount of reserve funds that are having to be used is a bit troublesome.
If the IPF is an example, people seem to have followed through on their pledges.
All that needs said.
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BillyTheCat
6/21/2016 11:07 PM
How about the Carin Center, how did that work out?
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Bcat2
6/22/2016 6:43 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
How about the Carin Center, how did that work out?
http://www.ohiobobcats.com/facilities/carin-center-main.html
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Bcat2
6/22/2016 7:37 AM
Ohio's athletes deserve such a facility.

OhioFootball ‏@OhioFootball May 6

Congrats to our student-athletes & the academic staff for their successes this semester.
48 players earned above a 3.0 GPA #OnAndOffTheField


JMHO
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Alan Swank
6/22/2016 2:31 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Interesting that only 1/3 of the money has actually been collected:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-poised-to-ok-maj...
Some people also pledge x dollars per year.
That's what I did.

Are people really concerned about creditworthiness from people donating money?

LOL
Credit worthiness and commitment are two different things. People do change their minds or their circumstances change. The amount of reserve funds that are having to be used is a bit troublesome.
If the IPF is an example, people seem to have followed through on their pledges.
All that needs said.
$1.2 million in student fees.

https://www.ohio.edu/studentaffairs/planning/fieldhouse.cfm
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Bcat2
6/22/2016 2:42 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Interesting that only 1/3 of the money has actually been collected:

http://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-poised-to-ok-maj...
Some people also pledge x dollars per year.
That's what I did.

Are people really concerned about creditworthiness from people donating money?

LOL
Credit worthiness and commitment are two different things. People do change their minds or their circumstances change. The amount of reserve funds that are having to be used is a bit troublesome.
If the IPF is an example, people seem to have followed through on their pledges.
All that needs said.
$1.2 million in student fees.

https://www.ohio.edu/studentaffairs/planning/fieldhouse.cfm
Walter Fieldhouse use.

"The Walter Fieldhouse will be utilized for recreation and sports classes, athletics practices, Marching 110 practices, ROTC training and Student Affairs activities to include intramurals, club sports, and open recreation as well as limited events, community activities, and summer conferences."
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L.C.
6/22/2016 6:00 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
$1.2 million in student fees....

Nice change of subject, Alan. Even then, it makes me wonder what percentage of use the football team accesses the facility, and what percentage of cost it bears. If you have the actual numbers, it would be interesting, so please post them. Just shooting from the hip, I'd guess that football probably uses the facility 10% of the available time, and probably pays 30-50% of the annual costs.
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BillyTheCat
6/23/2016 12:14 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
How about the Carin Center, how did that work out?
http://www.ohiobobcats.com/facilities/carin-center-main.html
Nope, the question is did the pledges ever come in? That is the simple PR version of the project, but what was the real result?
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Bcat2
6/23/2016 6:51 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
How about the Carin Center, how did that work out?
http://www.ohiobobcats.com/facilities/carin-center-main.html
Nope, the question is did the pledges ever come in? That is the simple PR version of the project, but what was the real result?
According to the link there were 34 other and 25 major donors who stepped up.

The facility was completed and named for Dr. Carin who's service is described as: "Dr. Steve Carin has been an Ohio University team physician since 1983, all the while displaying the utmost dedication and loyalty to the Bobcat athletics program and providing excellent medical care for the student-athletes. Dr. Carin also serves Ohio University as a member of the Foundation Board of Trustees and Athletics Major Gifts Committee. Since 1980, he has been a faculty member of the College of Osteopathic Medicine."

Major donors listed below.

Is there a problem?

Other major donors included:
Colonel Marc and Gail Glasgow
Michael and Ruth Griesser
Harold and Naomi Laughlin
Tad and Ann Grover
Gary and Pat Meyer
Alan and Ruby Riedel
Taylor Dealerships
Tooey Trust (Richard H. Brown, trustee)
G. Ronald and Becky Atkinson
I. Carson and Barbara Crow (in memory of Frederick Wilkinson Crow, Jr. and Eleanor Karr Crow)
Bill Dillingham
Bob and Gwen Forloine
The Green and White Club
G. William "Bill" Hill
Steve and Joni Hodgson
Wilfred and Ann Lee Konneker (in memory of Si Johnson)
Buddy and Debbie Mohler
Dan and Nancy Streiff
Robert Wofinger
John and Ashley Beck
George Eistetter
Donald and Patricia Harrison
Robert and Veronica Koepke
The Picard Family (in memory of Fred Picard)
Stephen Trotta
Last Edited: 6/23/2016 10:37:59 AM by Bcat2
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BillyTheCat
6/24/2016 1:37 PM
The Carin Center was named because he was the lead donor, not because of any service. The question is still valid, was the cost covered by the pledges.
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Alan Swank
6/24/2016 3:45 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
The Carin Center was named because he was the lead donor, not because of any service. The question is still valid, was the cost covered by the pledges.
I know that the Green and White Club paid up on our pledge for the Carin Center, the baseball fence and the softball lights not to mention a score of other things.
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Alan Swank
6/24/2016 3:47 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
$1.2 million in student fees....

Nice change of subject, Alan. Even then, it makes me wonder what percentage of use the football team accesses the facility, and what percentage of cost it bears. If you have the actual numbers, it would be interesting, so please post them. Just shooting from the hip, I'd guess that football probably uses the facility 10% of the available time, and probably pays 30-50% of the annual costs.
Wasn't changing the subject at all just pointing out that two lame duck student leaders agreed to allocate student fees to help finish the project with a track. As for use and financial contribution, these were private funds so to say that any particular group is paying more than another to use it doesn't hold water. And the end of the day it's a nice facility used by many constituencies including the community.

http://www.thepostathens.com/sports/multipurpose-funding-...
Last Edited: 6/24/2016 3:51:07 PM by Alan Swank
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Gallia Cat
6/25/2016 12:23 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
$1.2 million in student fees....

Nice change of subject, Alan. Even then, it makes me wonder what percentage of use the football team accesses the facility, and what percentage of cost it bears. If you have the actual numbers, it would be interesting, so please post them. Just shooting from the hip, I'd guess that football probably uses the facility 10% of the available time, and probably pays 30-50% of the annual costs.
My daughter had 2 physical education classes in Walter Fieldhouse this past year. During her senior year in high school her softball team participated in a winter softball league for area high schools that took place at Walter FH on Sunday's. If memory serves Lancaster, Parkersburg, New Lex, Athens, Meigs, South Gallia, Alexander were among the schools that participated. I'm sure I missed a few. The facility is used by more than just athletic department teams.
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L.C.
6/25/2016 2:20 PM
Alan, I don't disagree. You were the one that mentioned the $1.2 million a year in fees, and how it got approved. Considering the wide variety of activities that the facility is used for, the $1.2 million doesn't seem unreasonable.
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