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Posted: 12/20/2024 8:47 PM
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I may be alone in this, but the FCS option's more appealing to me.

It feels like a far less subjective goal, and bowl games are basically just the NIT at this point. If you're not in the playoff, nobody cares, and as a member of one of the 2 lowest ranked FBS conferences, we're unlikely to be in the playoff.
You, sir, are not alone.
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Posted: 12/20/2024 8:49 PM
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From the standpoint of getting to see more Ohio football in a season, I'd pick the FCS option. In a CFP world we'd likely be one and done.
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Posted: 12/20/2024 9:01 PM
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brucecuth wrote:expand_more
I may be alone in this, but the FCS option's more appealing to me.

It feels like a far less subjective goal, and bowl games are basically just the NIT at this point. If you're not in the playoff, nobody cares, and as a member of one of the 2 lowest ranked FBS conferences, we're unlikely to be in the playoff.
You, sir, are not alone.
I think if some of the G6 conferences opt into the FCS it will gain a following. I’d rather make a run rather than go 11-1 with the 1 loss being 57-2 against Oregon.
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Posted: 12/20/2024 9:36 PM
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El Gato Roberto wrote:expand_more
I may be alone in this, but the FCS option's more appealing to me.

It feels like a far less subjective goal, and bowl games are basically just the NIT at this point. If you're not in the playoff, nobody cares, and as a member of one of the 2 lowest ranked FBS conferences, we're unlikely to be in the playoff.
You, sir, are not alone.
I think if some of the G6 conferences opt into the FCS it will gain a following. I’d rather make a run rather than go 11-1 with the 1 loss being 57-2 against Oregon.
Why would the G6 want to merge with FCS conferences? Wouldn't they want to keep them out to keep their advantages over conferences that most of the G6 membership left behind? Back in the 80's when it was the MAC and Big West as redheaded stepchildren I would say that would be the course of action if the 70 plus big boys decided to take their ball and go elsewhere. But now with six conferences comprising 67 schools its enough for their own subdivision.
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Posted: 12/20/2024 10:12 PM
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Pataskala wrote:expand_more
From the standpoint of getting to see more Ohio football in a season, I'd pick the FCS option. In a CFP world we'd likely be one and done.
You have to make the FCS first. That’s not a given. You lose scholarships and you lose funding, you’d lose coaches.
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Posted: 12/20/2024 10:53 PM
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I could see where Akron might want to move down as the ceiling appears to be low for that program. They've only won 8 games one time ever. Only 9,250 undergraduates on campus this fall. 13,633 total and this number is counting 1,967 High School students taking classes on campus.

Ohio though has won 11 games, 10 games 3x, 9 games 5x, 8 games 3x over the last 20 seasons. 12 years out of the last 20 have been 8+ win seasons. That includes the COVID year, Frank & TA's first seasons. Then you have a situation where the undergraduate is 19,700 plus another 5,900 graduate. Counting regional students Ohio is 29,625 this year.

If I were an Akron fan I'd be wanting FCS but I do not get why any Ohio fans would want that when it means a reduction in TV exposure and revenues. Worse recruiting and lower quality of product on the field. Payday games against G5 programs for 350k instead of 2.35 mil and off national TV. FCS playoff games on ESPN+.
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Posted: 12/20/2024 11:02 PM
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TWT,
Thanks for your smart analysis. Maybe we could put these delusional out of touch FCS morons to bed.
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Posted: 12/21/2024 12:45 PM
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All of this conversation is probably moot in the next 5-10 years when the Top 20-30 schools break away from the rest. Then the real question becomes what happens after that? Maybe then top FCS schools would be absorbed into the rest and we could play for a real national championship.
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Posted: 12/21/2024 12:52 PM
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I may be alone in this, but the FCS option's more appealing to me.

It feels like a far less subjective goal, and bowl games are basically just the NIT at this point. If you're not in the playoff, nobody cares, and as a member of one of the 2 lowest ranked FBS conferences, we're unlikely to be in the playoff.
I could go either way but I'm afraid that with revenue sharing, the gap is going to only get bigger. It would bet nice to have all the games on Saturday though.
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Posted: 12/21/2024 12:54 PM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
All of this conversation is probably moot in the next 5-10 years when the Top 20-30 schools break away from the rest. Then the real question becomes what happens after that? Maybe then top FCS schools would be absorbed into the rest and we could play for a real national championship.
Sounds like the NIT of football. The basketball model was so successful, I’m not sure how that one couldn’t work.
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Posted: 12/21/2024 2:53 PM
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Option 1, and it's not close
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Posted: 12/22/2024 11:32 AM
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TWT wrote:expand_more
I could see where Akron might want to move down as the ceiling appears to be low for that program. They've only won 8 games one time ever. Only 9,250 undergraduates on campus this fall. 13,633 total and this number is counting 1,967 High School students taking classes on campus.

Ohio though has won 11 games, 10 games 3x, 9 games 5x, 8 games 3x over the last 20 seasons. 12 years out of the last 20 have been 8+ win seasons. That includes the COVID year, Frank & TA's first seasons. Then you have a situation where the undergraduate is 19,700 plus another 5,900 graduate. Counting regional students Ohio is 29,625 this year.

If I were an Akron fan I'd be wanting FCS but I do not get why any Ohio fans would want that when it means a reduction in TV exposure and revenues. Worse recruiting and lower quality of product on the field. Payday games against G5 programs for 350k instead of 2.35 mil and off national TV. FCS playoff games on ESPN+.
Not sure where you got that 19,700 figure from. Granted 2024 is missing but these numbers look much different.

https://www.ohio.edu/iea/student-data/enrollment/fallenroll
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Posted: 12/22/2024 12:53 PM
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I could see where Akron might want to move down as the ceiling appears to be low for that program. They've only won 8 games one time ever. Only 9,250 undergraduates on campus this fall. 13,633 total and this number is counting 1,967 High School students taking classes on campus.

Ohio though has won 11 games, 10 games 3x, 9 games 5x, 8 games 3x over the last 20 seasons. 12 years out of the last 20 have been 8+ win seasons. That includes the COVID year, Frank & TA's first seasons. Then you have a situation where the undergraduate is 19,700 plus another 5,900 graduate. Counting regional students Ohio is 29,625 this year.

If I were an Akron fan I'd be wanting FCS but I do not get why any Ohio fans would want that when it means a reduction in TV exposure and revenues. Worse recruiting and lower quality of product on the field. Payday games against G5 programs for 350k instead of 2.35 mil and off national TV. FCS playoff games on ESPN+.
Not sure where you got that 19,700 figure from. Granted 2024 is missing but these numbers look much different.

https://www.ohio.edu/iea/student-data/enrollment/fallenroll
I was surprised to see the numbers that high but it was the 15th day headcount numbers for fall term 2024 from the Ohio Department of Education. It requires downloading the file.

https://highered.ohio.gov/data-reports/data-and-reports-s...

The inclusion of HS students I have never found before. Discounting those Ohio has a larger main campus enrollment than Kent State.
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Posted: 12/25/2024 12:26 AM
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I'm an Option #1 man myself. Seems most other posters agree.
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Posted: 12/26/2024 3:58 PM
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If there was an option C, where a separate division/playoff/championship is created for the G5 but the P4 & G5 still intermingle OOC & bowls, I would take that option.

If the whole G5 "dropped down" together, from a sheer numbers standpoint there would still be national interest in it. If the conversation is just us as 1 program, going to FCS would just be signing up for irrelevance and as LC points out, with minimal cost savings.
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