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Posted: 10/1/2016 11:42 PM
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I thought he actually caught the awkward desperation throw and since he was in the end zone it was a touchdown.
So I was looking for an interception for Robbins but the official score has it as a fumble recovery in the end zone for the TD.

Also since it looked like it was intentional grounding I thought there should be a penalty flag thrown and since the infraction was in the end zone it could have resulted in a Safety, but of course we would decline it and accept the result of the play which was the TD.

Can anyone who actually understans it clear it up for me?
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Posted: 10/2/2016 12:01 AM
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I'd appreciate an explanation of this too. It occurred in the end zone furthest away from me as I was on the 20-yard-line on the other end of the field. I really could not see what happened at all. At first I thought we had a safety, and then I saw the official raise his hands signaling a TD.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 12:09 AM
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It could have went either way but it almost looks like it slips out of his hand when Brown swings him around.

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Posted: 10/2/2016 7:23 AM
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Ball never hit the ground, so there is no intentional grounding.

Ball may have been a lateral, so it would not be an interception.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 7:55 AM
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Looked like a throw and interception to me.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 8:24 AM
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Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Looked like a throw and interception to me.
Looked like it live to me too.

IMO this was not a bad or stupid play by the QB but desperation. He has to know if he gets tackled it is a safety and they lose the ball anyway and two points. Other than a Herculean move to rid himself of #33's grasp---it was the only thing the kid could do--toss it.

It is always a head scratcher when on fourth down and only moments remain, a QB gets sacked--get rid of it. This redchicken QB at least knows the situation.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 11:02 AM
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The ball was thrown forward as the replay shows. The QB attempted to throw it away so that he could avoid the safety.

It should have been an illegal forward pass which still results in spot enforcement resulting in a safety.

If it never hit the ground how could it be a fumble?
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Posted: 10/2/2016 11:24 AM
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ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
The ball was thrown forward as the replay shows. The QB attempted to throw it away so that he could avoid the safety.

It should have been an illegal forward pass which still results in spot enforcement resulting in a safety.

If it never hit the ground how could it be a fumble?
It doesn't have to hit the ground to be a fumble. I've seen fumbles where the defensive player just rips the ball away from a runner without it hitting the ground. In this case it seemed that the QB was trying a shuffle pass, which would've been intentional grounding or an illegal pass since no eligible receiver was nearby. But it also didn't seem clear in real time whether it went forward or backward. A backward pass is a lateral, not a pass. A lateral that's picked off is a fumble, not an interception. It can still be reviewed and corrected for stats, but there was really no need for the refs to throw a flag. Ohio would've declined the penalty and taken the TD anyway.

Anyhow, it was one of the strangest TDs I've seen and I'm happy for Robbins. D linemen don't a chance like that very often.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 11:46 AM
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It is a cloudy chilly day here in Youngstown hence I am wasting time until the Browns show me another way they can lose a game.

The below is taken from Rule 2 (definitions) Article 4 of the NCAA rule book most recent edition


e. An interception is a catch of an opponent’s pass or fumble.
f. A catch by any kneeling or prone inbounds player is a completion or

This is not an obsession and I am happy we won. I think Robbins may like recognition for an interception versus a fumble recovery
Last Edited: 10/2/2016 11:51:00 AM by ytownbobcat
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Posted: 10/2/2016 12:33 PM
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ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
It is a cloudy chilly day here in Youngstown hence I am wasting time until the Browns show me another way they can lose a game.

The below is taken from Rule 2 (definitions) Article 4 of the NCAA rule book most recent edition


e. An interception is a catch of an opponent’s pass or fumble.
f. A catch by any kneeling or prone inbounds player is a completion or

This is not an obsession and I am happy we won. I think Robbins may like recognition for an interception versus a fumble recovery
Touchdown. Gotta figure he's liking that regardless...
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Posted: 10/2/2016 2:04 PM
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I'd say the lateral theory is the best one for it being ruled a fumble.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 4:39 PM
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Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
It could have gone either way but it almost looks like it slips out of his hand when Brown swings him around.
Thanks, Ted. This makes it much clearer than what I saw in real time from the cheap seats.
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Posted: 10/2/2016 9:59 PM
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ytownbobcat wrote:expand_more
The ball was thrown forward as the replay shows. The QB attempted to throw it away so that he could avoid the safety.

It should have been an illegal forward pass which still results in spot enforcement resulting in a safety.

If it never hit the ground how could it be a fumble?
What in the world makes you think this would be an illegal forward pass???????????????
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Posted: 10/2/2016 10:01 PM
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UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I'd say the lateral theory is the best one for it being ruled a fumble.


A fumble does not have to be a Lateral, and lateral is not a thing in modern football, a ball is either forward or backward.
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Posted: 10/3/2016 9:03 AM
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