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Posted: 10/22/2016 5:30 PM
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Sorry, but if my front 7 on d is totally solid but I'm worried about the back end...then I let the front seven loose.

Lotsa different type of pressures, blitzes.

Not us. We're very contain, playing to physical power with no finesse, no strategy, no different looks.


Let 'em loose!

Geez, even our defense is boring.
Again, I interrupt, just temporarily, this rant, with a factoid:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/st...


Your factoid is that we're 2nd in the nation in sacks to Ohio State.

Clearly, this proves that we're the second best team in the nation, right after Ohio State.


At least we're not picking a splinter metric that doesn't prove anything here.
Reading comprehension? It was Alabama in the #1 slot. You missed the point. You claim we don't have a pressure defense, but how in the world are you #2 in sacks with a non-pressure defense. Watch the replay of the EMU game and you'll see a lot of pressure, often unsuccessful in that game, but pressure nonetheless,
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Posted: 10/22/2016 5:37 PM
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Ohio in its best of years usually doesn't beat Kent State on the road. Maybe it wasn't pretty, but I'll take the win and move on.
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Ohio in its best of years usually doesn't beat Kent State on the road. Maybe it wasn't pretty, but I'll take the win and move on.
Agreed. Dix has been a house of horrors for us over the years. I still have not gotten over the final game of the season where we dropped that game to them that sent Miami to the MAC Title game over us.
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Posted: 10/22/2016 5:48 PM
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I'd call this avoiding a loss as much as a win. Offense was completely overwhelmed in the second half.

Great job by the D. They didn't get much help at all in the second half.

We're 5-0 when scoring first; 0-3 when the opp scores first.

Too many big penalties. I think we had more penalty yds in the second half than offense yds.

Question for Toledo game: do we start a rested Wyndham or stick with Maxwell?

Since we had so little TOP in the second half, our O line should be rested for Toledo.
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Posted: 10/22/2016 6:09 PM
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I'd call this avoiding a loss as much as a win. Offense was completely overwhelmed in the second half.

Great job by the D. They didn't get much help at all in the second half.

We're 5-0 when scoring first; 0-3 when the opp scores first.

Too many big penalties. I think we had more penalty yds in the second half than offense yds.

Question for Toledo game: do we start a rested Wyndham or stick with Maxwell?

Since we had so little TOP in the second half, our O line should be rested for Toledo.
Just a little correction- we are 5-0 when we score a td first. We had 2 field goals in the Texas State game before they scored a TD.
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Does boring and longtime-together older fire up recruits?
They know they can come in and play. Now we need to change the scheme
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Positives while watching at Dix

Sebastian Smith--man he had some hands in this game

Papi White: the most athletic move I've seen a receiver make since at least watching Lynn Swann. It didn't result in a catch but it surely didn't result in a pick. Papi heading north up the Bobcat sideline and a bomb thrown to him in coverage. Papi slightly behind the defender somehow stuck a pivot foot getting himself between himself and his QB 40 yards down field and leaps as high as anyone his size has ever leaped and deflects the ball from a likely pick. My guest at the game said, "That guy is the most athletic guy on the field".

Watching the Kent QB seemingly make positive yards almost every play by bobbing and weaving and sometimes leaving a few sprawling Bobcats in his wake. Who says QB's shouldn't run often because they may get hurt--looked like that guy was causing the hurting.

The negative:

I froze my azz off and just now thawed out.

Good to win at Kent and keep pace with the Zips.

One more win and bowl eligibility takes place!
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Posted: 10/22/2016 10:39 PM
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Thanks, Colo. I usually check my facts, but went by memory on that one.

Kent's problem is that Nick Holley is their entire offense. He was gassed by the middle of the 4th Q. And he's a bit one dimensional. He's a runner first and a passer second. He had a poor completion percentage and he wasn't even close on most of his misses.
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Nick Holley is KSU's SIXTH (6th) string QB.
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Nick Holley is KSU's SIXTH (6th) string QB.
6th? Whatever, perhaps he'll be the next Julian Edelman. Fast, shifty, gutsy.
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Positives while watching at Dix

Sebastian Smith--man he had some hands in this game

Papi White: the most athletic move I've seen a receiver make since at least watching Lynn Swann. It didn't result in a catch but it surely didn't result in a pick. Papi heading north up the Bobcat sideline and a bomb thrown to him in coverage. Papi slightly behind the defender somehow stuck a pivot foot getting himself between himself and his QB 40 yards down field and leaps as high as anyone his size has ever leaped and deflects the ball from a likely pick. My guest at the game said, "That guy is the most athletic guy on the field".

Watching the Kent QB seemingly make positive yards almost every play by bobbing and weaving and sometimes leaving a few sprawling Bobcats in his wake. Who says QB's shouldn't run often because they may get hurt--looked like that guy was causing the hurting.

The negative:

I froze my azz off and just now thawed out.

Good to win at Kent and keep pace with the Zips.

One more win and bowl eligibility takes place!
Thanks for the info, Classmate. I appreciate your on-the-spot reporting. Good stuff. Go OHIO!
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:00 PM
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Those runs by Dorian Brown and Maleek Irons are things of beauty. The Brown run was perfectly blocked. Connor Brown and Troy Watson sealed their guys outside. Cooper and Wood cut down guys inside, mucking up Kent's ability to flow. Pruehs hustled way downfield, and cut down a linebacker or Safety with a perfect block. Meanwhile Reid and Belack held their blocks on the DBs practically forever, and Brown stayed clean all the way home.

Irons showed the two traits on his run where I think he has uncanny ability. He saw the field perfectly, and cut back into a hole, then used his balance to break into clear.

Yes, the offense struggled in the game, but it also had some shining moments. They just need to keep improving each week. They have the tools and weapons to be good. Let's see them take the game to Toledo this week, and have them show what they can do.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:30 PM
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My summary is that there is no such thing as an ugly win.
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Those runs by Dorian Brown and Maleek Irons are things of beauty. The Brown run was perfectly blocked. Connor Brown and Troy Watson sealed their guys outside. Cooper and Wood cut down guys inside, mucking up Kent's ability to flow. Pruehs hustled way downfield, and cut down a linebacker or Safety with a perfect block. Meanwhile Reid and Belack held their blocks on the DBs practically forever, and Brown stayed clean all the way home.

Irons showed the two traits on his run where I think he has uncanny ability. He saw the field perfectly, and cut back into a hole, then used his balance to break into clear.

Yes, the offense struggled in the game, but it also had some shining moments. They just need to keep improving each week. They have the tools and weapons to be good. Let's see them take the game to Toledo this week, and have them show what they can do.
If Irons were in better condition, he would have scored, also he looked back. AJ Brown and Oulette will be a handfull.
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Posted: 10/24/2016 3:08 AM
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OKay, two good plays. No doubt.

Now, let's typify the entire rest of our offense and the rest of the game against a really quite bad team. A game we barely won.

As usual.
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OKay, two good plays. No doubt.

Now, let's typify the entire rest of our offense and the rest of the game against a really quite bad team. A game we barely won.

As usual.
We do have to play better. We scored 20+ against Tennessee and 14 against. Kent. Our Wide receiver's need to get more separation and out O-line needs to get more push. We need more explosive plays. Go Cats
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I'll ask the same question I did after the BG game. Kent St. called their last timeout after 1st down and there was 1:27 left. Why did we run a play? Two kneeldowns and it's a ball game. Brown ran for a first down on the ensuing play but that ball almost got stripped from behind.

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I'll ask the same question I did after the BG game. Kent St. called their last timeout after 1st down and there was 1:27 left. Why did we run a play? Two kneeldowns and it's a ball game. Brown ran for a first down on the ensuing play but that ball almost got stripped from behind.
you are right, no need to take a risk.
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I'll ask the same question I did after the BG game. Kent St. called their last timeout after 1st down and there was 1:27 left. Why did we run a play? Two kneeldowns and it's a ball game. Brown ran for a first down on the ensuing play but that ball almost got stripped from behind.
you are right, no need to take a risk.
we would still need three plays. :40 + :40 = 1:20

This brings up a question... What determines a 25 second play clock vs 40? I can't tell which one applies to which situation.
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I'll ask the same question I did after the BG game. Kent St. called their last timeout after 1st down and there was 1:27 left. Why did we run a play? Two kneeldowns and it's a ball game. Brown ran for a first down on the ensuing play but that ball almost got stripped from behind.
you are right, no need to take a risk.
we would still need three plays. :40 + :40 = 1:20

This brings up a question... What determines a 25 second play clock vs 40? I can't tell which one applies to which situation.
On a play where there is no stoppage, just a normal down that ends without an official stopping the clock (i.e. helmet comes off, penalty, officials time out, injury time out, review, or regular timeout) all plays will start on the :40 second play clock. The clock will start as soon as the officials raise their hand signaling the end of the last down.

Plays where the clock stops (other than a first down, incomplete pass, or ball out of bounds) the clock will start on the 'ready' and will be :25 sec in duration.
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Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
I'll ask the same question I did after the BG game. Kent St. called their last timeout after 1st down and there was 1:27 left. Why did we run a play? Two kneeldowns and it's a ball game. Brown ran for a first down on the ensuing play but that ball almost got stripped from behind.
you are right, no need to take a risk.
we would still need three plays. :40 + :40 = 1:20

This brings up a question... What determines a 25 second play clock vs 40? I can't tell which one applies to which situation.
But the plays themselves take time. So just wait a second and kneel. After they got the first down, Maxwell was waiting to kneel (even though, at that point, he didn't need to).
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I'll ask the same question I did after the BG game. Kent St. called their last timeout after 1st down and there was 1:27 left. Why did we run a play? Two kneeldowns and it's a ball game. Brown ran for a first down on the ensuing play but that ball almost got stripped from behind.
you are right, no need to take a risk.
we would still need three plays. :40 + :40 = 1:20

This brings up a question... What determines a 25 second play clock vs 40? I can't tell which one applies to which situation.
But the plays themselves take time. So just wait a second and kneel. After they got the first down, Maxwell was waiting to kneel (even though, at that point, he didn't need to).
Announcing that you are taking a knee gives the QB and other protections from being blown up. Not going directly down after announcing you are taking a knee is a penalty of 15 yards, and will cause the clock to stop until the next snap under the consume, conserve principle. When under a :40 second clock, the clock begins as soon as the play is over, with no regards to how slow or fast people move to un-pile, and get set. Before the :40, teams and officials could manipulate the pace at the end of a game if it was needed. Not now.
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It's a road win, so I shouldn't complain too much. But as someone who has seen a lot of Ohio football since the late 90's, it's alarming how often we don't put a team away when we should. We allow way too many teams to "linger," within striking distance. Sometimes it results in a loss (Texas St), sometimes uncomfortable wins (Kent, BGSU). I just never expect easy, low stress wins.
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I'll ask the same question I did after the BG game. Kent St. called their last timeout after 1st down and there was 1:27 left. Why did we run a play? Two kneeldowns and it's a ball game. Brown ran for a first down on the ensuing play but that ball almost got stripped from behind.
you are right, no need to take a risk.
we would still need three plays. :40 + :40 = 1:20

This brings up a question... What determines a 25 second play clock vs 40? I can't tell which one applies to which situation.
But the plays themselves take time. So just wait a second and kneel. After they got the first down, Maxwell was waiting to kneel (even though, at that point, he didn't need to).
Announcing that you are taking a knee gives the QB and other protections from being blown up. Not going directly down after announcing you are taking a knee is a penalty of 15 yards, and will cause the clock to stop until the next snap under the consume, conserve principle. When under a :40 second clock, the clock begins as soon as the play is over, with no regards to how slow or fast people move to un-pile, and get set. Before the :40, teams and officials could manipulate the pace at the end of a game if it was needed. Not now.
But you can wait to take the knee. I see it all the time and have never seen a penalty. We're already taking a shotgun snap, so I don't see how you can announce you're taking a knee without actually taking the knee.
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