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mid70sbobcat
11/15/2016 10:35 PM
MFRONE wrote:expand_more
Why didn't Maxwell run on 1st down inside the 20? It looked like he could have picked up 10 yards with ease.
I agree. And on 4th he was looking left the entire time .. Belack cut across to the right and looked open and Reid had lined up out on the right.
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Bobcat1998
11/15/2016 10:35 PM
I dont even know if a MACC will make me happy. So we back into the East title and lose by 39 to The Flecks.
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Monroe Slavin
11/15/2016 10:36 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
DFC--Good one!

L.C. Either you have no standards or you don't get it. It's the freaking MAC...

So, you're saying that since it's the MAC, the distribution of championships should be random. Does that jibe with reality? Yawn....

Now, go Bobcats.

Entire mis-read, O Acceptor of Mediocrity...annually 4-7 teams ain't in it. IF we're any good at all...and most years we don't stink...then we should win it once every 6-9 years.
If you took a Stats class I would guess you didn't do very well. But I love how you change your assumptions and criteria so that you can always be RIGHT!

You've clearly proved all of the following:

1) a revered coach needn't win a MACC in 11 years in the weak MAC and,

2) it doesn't matter if we win a MAC title, and

3) we've clearly won a satisfactory number of titles under this revered coaching staff in 11 years in the weak MAC.

You are doing it!
Every conference has WEAK teams. What part of that do you not comprehend?

A MAC title would be nice but the success we've had the past 11 years is pretty decent. Just compare our record to our peers.

Another who'll accept no MACC from this staff FOREVER.

Way to be happy with us in the company of the WEAK.


In contrast, I love OHIO UNIVERSITY.
Thanks for choosing to NOT address the facts (all conferences have weak teams) and our record over the last 11 years is near the top of the MAC.

And you love Ohio? Is that why you had no clue Treg was playing overseas?

Every point you makes proves that we won tonight and that this staff, 11 years in, has hit the main, big goal. The ONE goal that matters.



I notice that on the basketball threads no one is concerned with MAC titles. We just want to be sort of good in the MAC over a number of years with no regard for MAC titles.


You'll be here all week.

In fact, you'll be there FOREVER.
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Bobcatzblitz
11/15/2016 10:37 PM
Maxwell no good right now play calling the usual Albin Ball We might struggle with Akron
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mid70sbobcat
11/15/2016 10:39 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
DFC--Good one!

L.C. Either you have no standards or you don't get it. It's the freaking MAC...

So, you're saying that since it's the MAC, the distribution of championships should be random. Does that jibe with reality? Yawn....

Now, go Bobcats.

Entire mis-read, O Acceptor of Mediocrity...annually 4-7 teams ain't in it. IF we're any good at all...and most years we don't stink...then we should win it once every 6-9 years.
If you took a Stats class I would guess you didn't do very well. But I love how you change your assumptions and criteria so that you can always be RIGHT!

You've clearly proved all of the following:

1) a revered coach needn't win a MACC in 11 years in the weak MAC and,

2) it doesn't matter if we win a MAC title, and

3) we've clearly won a satisfactory number of titles under this revered coaching staff in 11 years in the weak MAC.

You are doing it!
Every conference has WEAK teams. What part of that do you not comprehend?

A MAC title would be nice but the success we've had the past 11 years is pretty decent. Just compare our record to our peers.

Another who'll accept no MACC from this staff FOREVER.

Way to be happy with us in the company of the WEAK.


In contrast, I love OHIO UNIVERSITY.
Thanks for choosing to NOT address the facts (all conferences have weak teams) and our record over the last 11 years is near the top of the MAC.

And you love Ohio? Is that why you had no clue Treg was playing overseas?

Every point you makes proves that we won tonight and that this staff, 11 years in, has hit the main, big goal. The ONE goal that matters.



I notice that on the basketball threads no one is concerned with MAC titles. We just want to be sort of good in the MAC over a number of years with no regard for MAC titles.


You'll be here all week.

In fact, you'll be there FOREVER.
We won the stats tonight and lost the game .... you can't blame Frank and the coaching staff for 4 turnovers. Then again, you never played the game.
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BobcatSports
11/15/2016 10:43 PM
Couple of thoughts/questions:

1. Do we ever target the tight end in the passing game

2. Our offensive system justs beats the hell out of our QB's. Has been going on for years
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Chicken George
11/15/2016 10:44 PM
This site needs the Facebook feature where you can select to not see certain people's posts on your newsfeed. 😄
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giacomo
11/15/2016 10:45 PM
Jon Hendricks alternate lyrics on "round about midnight":
Every day's going to bring some glad times. Every day's going to bring some sad times. Just take what you can from the glad times. Don't measure your pleasure in nickles and dimes.
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Alan Swank
11/15/2016 10:46 PM
Chicken George wrote:expand_more
This site needs the Facebook feature where you can select to not see certain people's posts on your newsfeed. 😄
That's what is wrong with FB - it only let's you see those who agree with you giving you a false sense that you're always right.
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allen
11/15/2016 10:51 PM
They showed heart coming back, we have to get it together. Our pass offense and pass defense need to get better. Go Cats. Maxwell, keep fighting. They looked shell shocked in the first half, we have to put a full game together.
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ExCat21
11/15/2016 11:02 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
I dont even know if a MACC will make me happy. So we back into the East title and lose by 39 to The Flecks.
This team could have easily went flat in the 2nd half. On a positive note in a loss, we fought hard to keep ourselves in the game on the road. First conference road loss as well. And this years squad doesnt blow people out but they dont lose by alot meaning they do give themselves a chance each game.
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OhioCatFan
11/15/2016 11:06 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
We won the stats tonight and lost the game .... you can't blame Frank and the coaching staff for 4 turnovers. Then again, you never played the game.
+1

The way this game developed with a very good CMU team on a three-game losing streak, and our long-time troubles at CMU, this game appeared to me to be our toughest game on the schedule, so far. Still we had a chance to win it, and probably would have without that fumble on the 1st down in scoring territory on our first drive. We were heading for a TD, or at the very least a FG, which would have given an entirely different feel from the beginning.
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CA Bobcat
11/15/2016 11:14 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
DFC--Good one!

L.C. Either you have no standards or you don't get it. It's the freaking MAC...

So, you're saying that since it's the MAC, the distribution of championships should be random. Does that jibe with reality? Yawn....

Now, go Bobcats.

Entire mis-read, O Acceptor of Mediocrity...annually 4-7 teams ain't in it. IF we're any good at all...and most years we don't stink...then we should win it once every 6-9 years.
If you took a Stats class I would guess you didn't do very well. But I love how you change your assumptions and criteria so that you can always be RIGHT!

You've clearly proved all of the following:

1) a revered coach needn't win a MACC in 11 years in the weak MAC and,

2) it doesn't matter if we win a MAC title, and

3) we've clearly won a satisfactory number of titles under this revered coaching staff in 11 years in the weak MAC.

You are doing it!
Every conference has WEAK teams. What part of that do you not comprehend?

A MAC title would be nice but the success we've had the past 11 years is pretty decent. Just compare our record to our peers.

Another who'll accept no MACC from this staff FOREVER.

Way to be happy with us in the company of the WEAK.


In contrast, I love OHIO UNIVERSITY.
Thanks for choosing to NOT address the facts (all conferences have weak teams) and our record over the last 11 years is near the top of the MAC.

And you love Ohio? Is that why you had no clue Treg was playing overseas?

Every point you makes proves that we won tonight and that this staff, 11 years in, has hit the main, big goal. The ONE goal that matters.



I notice that on the basketball threads no one is concerned with MAC titles. We just want to be sort of good in the MAC over a number of years with no regard for MAC titles.


You'll be here all week.

In fact, you'll be there FOREVER.
Wow, another 51 posts since I last looked yet I still don't feel any more enlightened.
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colobobcat66
11/15/2016 11:22 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
This site needs the Facebook feature where you can select to not see certain people's posts on your newsfeed. 😄
That's what is wrong with FB - it only let's you see those who agree with you giving you a false sense that you're always right.
I disagree. A person should not have to be subjected to some of the garbage throw in your face. I for one know there's more than one side to most issues, but there is some nasty stuff that I don't need to be subjected to.

I think it can be loosely called freedom of association.
Last Edited: 11/16/2016 12:16:35 AM by colobobcat66
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Casper71
11/16/2016 12:32 AM
Stats are for losers. This team did not play good enough to win when an East title was on the line. They have one more opportunity and they will be in the same situation...I hope they respond a lot better than they did tonight. Don't ask me why but I will make the trip from Cincy to see the game. I'll get home about 2 in the morning so I hope the game is worth the long drive!
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Paul Graham
11/16/2016 12:43 AM
It was a fun game and we played well in the second half. What are ya'll complaining about?
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Casper71
11/16/2016 12:49 AM
Playing well in one half makes many teams losers!
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Monroe Slavin
11/16/2016 12:54 AM
"We won the stats tonight and lost the game .... you can't blame Frank and the coaching staff for 4 turnovers. Then again, you never played the game."

Yeah, because we wanted to win the stats and didn't really care about the score. Of course, if I had played the game, my posts would merit but, as anyone else who posts here and hasn't played the game, my posts couldn't possibly have merit. And, of course, the coaches have no responsibility in this. I love your stuff!



"Couple of thoughts/questions:

1. Do we ever target the tight end in the passing game

2. Our offensive system justs beats the hell out of our QB's. Has been going on for years"

Much agree. Well, I will if you can verify that you played the game. Because your points can't be valid if you didn't play.
Last Edited: 11/16/2016 12:56:02 AM by Monroe Slavin
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Monroe Slavin
11/16/2016 12:59 AM
"I disagree. A person should not have to be subjected to some of the garbage throw in your face. I for one know there's more than one side to most issues, but there is some nasty stuff that I don't need to be subjected to.

I think it can be loosely called freedom of association."



What?...Yes, there's freedom of association. So, if you don't like what you see here, no one's forcing you to read all of the posts/posters or to come here.

And I find this thought of "some of the garbage throw(n) in your face" to be way off base. Heck, the discourse here is only even slightly argumentative.

The most sensitive person's feelings cannot be the standard.



CABobcat--I enjoy your stuff, too!
Last Edited: 11/16/2016 1:00:43 AM by Monroe Slavin
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bshot44
11/16/2016 1:20 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
This is a pick 'en in Vegas. We can put the trap game thing to rest. This is a big game on the road against a pretty good team that has a win over #13 OkSt.

I expected CMU to be favored by 2-3 points, but given that Ohio has been hot lately, and is rested, and given that Ohio has played very well on the road all year, I can see how it's a pick 'em. Here's my thoughts:

CMU's offense versus Ohio's defense:
CMU has one of the worst rushing offenses in the MAC, and Ohio has the best rushing defense in the MAC. Note that when their starting running back, Devon Spalding, has run for over 100 yards, CMU has won, but when he hasn't, they have lost the last four times. Spalding is questionable for Tuesday, but even if he plays, I don't see him getting 100 yards. If they can't establish the run, and I don't think they can, that means that from the start, CMU will have to be one-dimensional, and the front seven will be looking for sacks. CMU has one of the better passing attacks in the MAC, but because of the lack of a running attack, they have given up a lot of sacks. I expect they will give up a few more.

Ohio's offense versus CMU's defense
Ohio has a balanced offense, and CMU has a balanced defense. They have a solid defense, above average in the MAC, but one thing CMU doesn't have is a lot of sacks. Thus Maxwell or Windham should have time to throw. With an above average MAC offense against an above average MAC defense, I expect kind of average results. Ohio averages 29.3 points a game, while CMU gives up 29.3 points a game, so the high 20s sounds about right.

Special teams and turnovers
Here Ohio has a clear advantage. Ohio is averaging over 40 yards on punts, and only 2 touchbacks, while CMU averages only 35 yards a punt. Ohio is hitting 80% of field goals, at 20-25, while CMU has hit only 38.5% at 5 of 13. Ohio is +9 in turnovers on the year while CMU is -6 on turnovers. If the rest of the game is even, Ohio should win based on special teams and turnovers.

Summary
I see a hard fought physical game. The key for an Ohio win will be how much pressure Ohio can get, and whether Ohio can stop the CMU passing attack, plus how few big plays they can give up. I think the defense will hold up OK, and come away with the win. I call it an Ohio win, 27-21.


Or, CMU is a pretty mediocre MAC team (sorry for the redundancy) and if we're any good at all then we win this one for sure. Maybe not by a ton of points. And a loss doesn't matter too much as we sure have the inside track to win the MAC East. But a loss here just would not be good.

It's the time of year to take care of business. It just is.
No matter. If they win, your first take will be about some disappointment you perceive.
And no matter if they lose, your first take will be about.....oh wait.

You disappear when they lose.
Well. I'm waiting?

Bring out the carrot sticks and orange slices and tell us how eveyone deserves a ribbon for playing so hard, but falling just short against a great, great team like CMU
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oldkatz
11/16/2016 6:54 AM
Paul Graham wrote:expand_more
It was a fun game and we played well in the second half. What are ya'll complaining about?
Here's what I'll complain about: running your ONLY QB way too much; this could have turned out to be a compounded loss the way Maxwell was getting pounded.
Albin, c'mon, man!
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MonroeClassmate
11/16/2016 7:41 AM
Etiquette Football--the OHIO way

Line up on offense, make sure that the defense gets set, let the defense see what you are showing, let the defense look to the side to make a change, ask the defense if they are ready and then tell the defense when you are going to snap it.

OHIO on one of the last drives hustled to the line--it did not look like a ref was delaying the snap because of a sub. At the top of the screen were two receivers and no CMU defenders, they were scrambling from the other side of the field to get into their coverage. Even if someone off the TV screen wasn't set on offense it's worth the try to get a play off with NO one covering your wideouts.

Why not snap the ball quickly? Do you think maybe it would also slow down the pass rush a bit to walk up and snap it once in a while immediately? If your QB occasionally takes snaps from under center, then in a hurry up situation he could take a crotch snap to get a play off quicker and if there is no defense malfunction then simply step back into the shotgun. Put some mental pressure on the opponent--perhaps they blow a timeout or give up an easy score.

I loved the TD play to Papi. But why not more of him delaying out of the back field with an LB having to cover him and hooks in the middle or shovel pass to him? Get the ball to him with a step on someone in open field five yards down field and watch him slice the defenders for first downs. Seems like most of what Papi gets goes to the sideline and the sideline becomes the extra defender. Cleveland Browns fans will recall Eric Metcalf have plays on offense to do just that with exciting results. Dri Archer is another that had plays revolve around him.
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bshot44
11/16/2016 8:06 AM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
Etiquette Football--the OHIO way

Line up on offense, make sure that the defense gets set, let the defense see what you are showing, let the defense look to the side to make a change, ask the defense if they are ready and then tell the defense when you are going to snap it.

OHIO on one of the last drives hustled to the line--it did not look like a ref was delaying the snap because of a sub. At the top of the screen were two receivers and no CMU defenders, they were scrambling from the other side of the field to get into their coverage. Even if someone off the TV screen wasn't set on offense it's worth the try to get a play off with NO one covering your wideouts.

Why not snap the ball quickly? Do you think maybe it would also slow down the pass rush a bit to walk up and snap it once in a while immediately? If your QB occasionally takes snaps from under center, then in a hurry up situation he could take a crotch snap to get a play off quicker and if there is no defense malfunction then simply step back into the shotgun. Put some mental pressure on the opponent--perhaps they blow a timeout or give up an easy score.

I loved the TD play to Papi. But why not more of him delaying out of the back field with an LB having to cover him and hooks in the middle or shovel pass to him? Get the ball to him with a step on someone in open field five yards down field and watch him slice the defenders for first downs. Seems like most of what Papi gets goes to the sideline and the sideline becomes the extra defender. Cleveland Browns fans will recall Eric Metcalf have plays on offense to do just that with exciting results. Dri Archer is another that had plays revolve around him.
The simple answer to all this. Because Tim Albin is the worst.
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mid70sbobcat
11/16/2016 8:46 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
"We won the stats tonight and lost the game .... you can't blame Frank and the coaching staff for 4 turnovers. Then again, you never played the game."

Yeah, because we wanted to win the stats and didn't really care about the score. Of course, if I had played the game, my posts would merit but, as anyone else who posts here and hasn't played the game, my posts couldn't possibly have merit. And, of course, the coaches have no responsibility in this. I love your stuff!



"Couple of thoughts/questions:

1. Do we ever target the tight end in the passing game

2. Our offensive system justs beats the hell out of our QB's. Has been going on for years"

Much agree. Well, I will if you can verify that you played the game. Because your points can't be valid if you didn't play.
Geez, you have trouble comprehending the most basic things. Since you've been on the bandwagon for years to get rid of Frank I merely pointed out that Frank is NOT responsible for 4 TO's. That's on the players.
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BillyTheCat
11/16/2016 9:29 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
We won the stats tonight and lost the game .... you can't blame Frank and the coaching staff for 4 turnovers. Then again, you never played the game.
+1

The way this game developed with a very good CMU team on a three-game losing streak, and our long-time troubles at CMU, this game appeared to me to be our toughest game on the schedule, so far. Still we had a chance to win it, and probably would have without that fumble on the 1st down in scoring territory on our first drive. We were heading for a TD, or at the very least a FG, which would have given an entirely different feel from the beginning.
Very good teams are NOT .500 10 games into a season.
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