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ExCat21
11/8/2016 4:20 PM
Scott Woods wrote:expand_more
I don't think this is a trap game at all. If this game meant nothing towards a title against a team that is a patsy we normally beat and everyone is looking forward to the next game, maybe. But, at the moment, I think it's none of those.

Sure, the Chips are trending down and the Bobcats are trending up. But I really doubt anyone on the Bobcat roster is looking past this game.
This is definitely a trap game. Our history of success is not in our favoring going against CMU. They throw the ball just fine and we have trouble defending. They lost to Miami double-digits last week. How can you say this isnt a trap game?? Especially when a title is on the line. Not saying our players look down on opponents but its easy to look forward when the opponent has lost to other teams we beat. Chips will be fired up at their place. We have to match their intensity.
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Bcat2
11/8/2016 4:40 PM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
I don't think this is a trap game at all. If this game meant nothing towards a title against a team that is a patsy we normally beat and everyone is looking forward to the next game, maybe. But, at the moment, I think it's none of those.

Sure, the Chips are trending down and the Bobcats are trending up. But I really doubt anyone on the Bobcat roster is looking past this game.
This is definitely a trap game. Our history of success is not in our favoring going against CMU. They throw the ball just fine and we have trouble defending. They lost to Miami double-digits last week. How can you say this isnt a trap game?? Especially when a title is on the line. Not saying our players look down on opponents but its easy to look forward when the opponent has lost to other teams we beat. Chips will be fired up at their place. We have to match their intensity.
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Monroe Slavin
11/8/2016 6:04 PM
This is not a trap game.

1) There is no such thing as a trap game.

2) There is no such thing as a trap game if a team or staff or anyone within 100 miles of them have a bit of maturity, so can see and comprehend the stakes.

3) You can't enumerate all the reasons that we should be aware (the reasons why this can be a trap game) and call it a trap game....because the very enumeration of the trip-over-ourselves possibilities means that we are aware. One cannot be trapped by that which one is aware of.

5) See 1) above.
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mid70sbobcat
11/8/2016 11:27 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
This is not a trap game.

1) There is no such thing as a trap game.

2) There is no such thing as a trap game if a team or staff or anyone within 100 miles of them have a bit of maturity, so can see and comprehend the stakes.

3) You can't enumerate all the reasons that we should be aware (the reasons why this can be a trap game) and call it a trap game....because the very enumeration of the trip-over-ourselves possibilities means that we are aware. One cannot be trapped by that which one is aware of.

5) See 1) above.
Ahhh yes ... said by the guy who has never played the game or coached at any level.
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Mark Lembright '85
11/9/2016 9:24 AM
Begrudgingly, I agree with Monroe. :)

To me, the definition of a "trap game" is when the team overlooks its next opponent (thinking that opponent will be a patsy and easy to beat) and looks ahead to the following opponent as the much more important game.

If Ohio is overlooking CMU and concentrating on Akron instead, then shame on Ohio. CMU's had Ohio's number lately and this game is a chance for Ohio to wrap up the MAC East. Ohio needs to pretend that the only game that counts is this one against CMU and come out fired up, determined to win. If they don't treat it as such (and I'm sure they will), then they don't deserve to win the MAC East.

To me, the perfect example of a trap game: WMU and Kent State last night. I'm sure WMU was overlooking Kent and it almost bit them in the you-know-where.
Last Edited: 11/9/2016 9:26:58 AM by Mark Lembright '85
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Pataskala
11/9/2016 9:49 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Begrudgingly, I agree with Monroe. :)

To me, the definition of a "trap game" is when the team overlooks its next opponent (thinking that opponent will be a patsy and easy to beat) and looks ahead to the following opponent as the much more important game.

If Ohio is overlooking CMU and concentrating on Akron instead, then shame on Ohio. CMU's had Ohio's number lately and this game is a chance for Ohio to wrap up the MAC East. Ohio needs to pretend that the only game that counts is this one against CMU and come out fired up, determined to win. If they don't treat it as such (and I'm sure they will), then they don't deserve to win the MAC East.

To me, the perfect example of a trap game: WMU and Kent State last night. I'm sure WMU was overlooking Kent and it almost bit them in the you-know-where.
+1

The only way Ohio would be looking past CMU and focusing on Akron is if the coaching staff believes CMU is an automatic loss, given our history with them. That ain't happening.

BTW, 26 seems to be Ohio's magic number this year. We won every game when our opponent scored 26 or less; lost every game when the opponent scored 27+. Here's to a low-scoring game.
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Monroe Slavin
11/9/2016 10:00 AM
Can we stop with the silly idea that one who has never coached or played can not have insight?

In that case, this board would not exist.

And, deadhorse again, a wise business accepts ideas which seem to have merit regardless of where they came from.


Why don't you just post that you hate me and, therefore, anything that I say or think?
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Bcat2
11/9/2016 10:10 AM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Begrudgingly, I agree with Monroe. :)

To me, the definition of a "trap game" is when the team overlooks its next opponent (thinking that opponent will be a patsy and easy to beat) and looks ahead to the following opponent as the much more important game.

If Ohio is overlooking CMU and concentrating on Akron instead, then shame on Ohio. CMU's had Ohio's number lately and this game is a chance for Ohio to wrap up the MAC East. Ohio needs to pretend that the only game that counts is this one against CMU and come out fired up, determined to win. If they don't treat it as such (and I'm sure they will), then they don't deserve to win the MAC East.

To me, the perfect example of a trap game: WMU and Kent State last night. I'm sure WMU was overlooking Kent and it almost bit them in the you-know-where.
For me, the trap game happens when a team, for what ever reason, loses an edge that has been carrying it to wins. Perhaps a team on a roll, with momentum, punching hard, might not come out of a bye week with the timing and crispness it had developed over weeks of games. Practice ain't games. Many reasons a team might lose its edge. Perhaps tripping might better apply than trap. I just hope, from the bye, Ohio comes out swinging.
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Scott Woods
11/9/2016 10:40 AM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
How can you say this isnt a trap game?? [/QUOTE]Because I agree with Lembright and his definition of a trap game.

[QUOTE=Mark Lembright '85]To me, the definition of a "trap game" is when the team overlooks its next opponent (thinking that opponent will be a patsy and easy to beat) and looks ahead to the following opponent as the much more important game.
I don't see Ohio looking past CMU to the Akron game.

What is your definition of a trap game?
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L.C.
11/9/2016 11:11 AM
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...What is your definition of a trap game?

I think this has to be the problem, that people are using different definitions of the words "trap game". For me a trap game is a game where the team expects to win, and therefore doesn't focus as hard on that game as they should, and ends up losing their edge.

Considering that CMU will most likely be favored by 1-3 points, and considering how infrequent Ohio wins over CMU have been, Ohio will clearly not overlook CMU and expect an automatic win. Considering that a win against CMU would wrap up the East, Ohio will definitely give this game it's full attention, and their best shot.

Go Bobcats. Get it done at Kelly/Shorts.
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GoCats105
11/9/2016 11:18 AM
I define a trap game as when an inferior opponent is overlooked because the team being trapped is looking ahead to another game or other things. In my view, this is just another stop on the road to the MAC East title. Preseason, I viewed this as probably Ohio's toughest game outside of Toledo. It looks a little different now, but it still doesn't qualify as a trap game to me.

A trap game is Washington playing at Arizona the week before their big game against Stanford. It doesn't ring as true anymore considering how average Stanford is, but they've owned Washington recently. So of course Washington might get caught looking ahead and overlooking Arizona.
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Monroe Slavin
11/9/2016 4:46 PM
It's not a trap game.

There are no trap games for teams with the least bit of maturity.








Anyway, injuries are favored as an excuse over 'trap game.'
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bobcat2nc
11/9/2016 5:37 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Is there a more strange name for a stadium in the MAC than Kelly/Shorts?
Plenty.

Albertsons Stadium/Boise, ID - Sounds like the name of a hardware store.

Darrell K. Royal Texas Memorial Stadium/Austin, TX - Everything is bigger in Texas, even the name of your stadium.

Faurot Field/Columbia, MO - I feel like this is the word you would use for a ferret if it were a fancy French word.

Houchens Industries L.T. Smith Stadium/Bowling Green, KY - it's a mouthful.

Frank Broyles Field at Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium/Fayetteville, AR - this is just stupid. Pick a name.

Ross-Ade Stadium/West Lafayette, IN - Who is Ross and why does he need aid?

Scheumann Stadium/Muncie, IN - a man named Schuemann who sells shoes would be perfect.

Ohio Stadium at The Ohio State University
Last Edited: 11/9/2016 5:38:12 PM by bobcat2nc
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ou1982
11/9/2016 6:45 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
This is not a trap game.

1) There is no such thing as a trap game.

2) There is no such thing as a trap game if a team or staff or anyone within 100 miles of them have a bit of maturity, so can see and comprehend the stakes.

3) You can't enumerate all the reasons that we should be aware (the reasons why this can be a trap game) and call it a trap game....because the very enumeration of the trip-over-ourselves possibilities means that we are aware. One cannot be trapped by that which one is aware of.

5) See 1) above.

i disagree that there is no such thing as a trap game. having played at coached i have experienced trap games. kids can be kids and take other teams for granted. that said, i do not see this as a trap game. OUr team has not won anything yet and OUr team lost to Texas State earlier in the year. this team should not experience a trap game. i've talked with kids about not taking teams seriously and watched them ignore the coaching points and go out and get embarassed.
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LuckySparrow
11/10/2016 11:47 AM
Why don't we consult with a man well versed in the art of traps?

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ytownbobcat
11/11/2016 11:18 AM
Agree that it is NOT a trap game.

How can it be a TRAP GAME following a 12 day layoff?

We need to win to assure MACC unless we back in via default.

I think this team will close out strong, like last year. 9-3 , very possible

This team has PRIDE and wants to erase memory of some of the early losses.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
11/11/2016 12:20 PM
http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/11/windham-slow...

This is one awfully misleading headline in the Post.
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L.C.
11/11/2016 2:33 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/11/windham-slow...

This is one awfully misleading headline in the Post.

I'd have to agree with that, but it's great to hear that Windham is back in action.
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OhioStunter
11/11/2016 6:41 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Is there a more strange name for a stadium in the MAC than Kelly/Shorts?
Plenty.

Albertsons Stadium/Boise, ID - Sounds like the name of a hardware store.

Darrell K. Royal Texas Memorial Stadium/Austin, TX - Everything is bigger in Texas, even the name of your stadium.

Faurot Field/Columbia, MO - I feel like this is the word you would use for a ferret if it were a fancy French word.

Houchens Industries L.T. Smith Stadium/Bowling Green, KY - it's a mouthful.

Frank Broyles Field at Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium/Fayetteville, AR - this is just stupid. Pick a name.

Ross-Ade Stadium/West Lafayette, IN - Who is Ross and why does he need aid?

Scheumann Stadium/Muncie, IN - a man named Schuemann who sells shoes would be perfect.
Dix Stadium -- Kent State [pre-teen kid giggle]
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Mark Lembright '85
11/12/2016 8:57 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Is there a more strange name for a stadium in the MAC than Kelly/Shorts?
Plenty.

Albertsons Stadium/Boise, ID - Sounds like the name of a hardware store.

Darrell K. Royal Texas Memorial Stadium/Austin, TX - Everything is bigger in Texas, even the name of your stadium.

Faurot Field/Columbia, MO - I feel like this is the word you would use for a ferret if it were a fancy French word.

Houchens Industries L.T. Smith Stadium/Bowling Green, KY - it's a mouthful.

Frank Broyles Field at Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium/Fayetteville, AR - this is just stupid. Pick a name.

Ross-Ade Stadium/West Lafayette, IN - Who is Ross and why does he need aid?

Scheumann Stadium/Muncie, IN - a man named Schuemann who sells shoes would be perfect.
Dix Stadium -- Kent State [pre-teen kid giggle]
Good one!

Two other strange names to me are:

Ladd-Peebles Stadium - Mobile, Ala
Apogee Stadium - North Texas
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UpSan Bobcat
11/12/2016 3:43 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/11/windham-slow...

This is one awfully misleading headline in the Post.
Maybe they changed the headline. It now says, "Windham's self-motivation helps his recovery." That doesn't seem misleading.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
11/12/2016 3:51 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/11/windham-slow...

This is one awfully misleading headline in the Post.
Maybe they changed the headline. It now says, "Windham's self-motivation helps his recovery." That doesn't seem misleading.
yeah, they changed it. it was "... helps him regain the starting job"
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UpSan Bobcat
11/12/2016 4:25 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/11/windham-slow...

This is one awfully misleading headline in the Post.
Maybe they changed the headline. It now says, "Windham's self-motivation helps his recovery." That doesn't seem misleading.
yeah, they changed it. it was "... helps him regain the starting job"
At least they changed it.

On a different note, with Miami's win over Buffalo today, the Bobcats have not yet clinched the MAC East, so they will be playing for that Tuesday. They can clinch with a win in either of their last two games or a Miami loss in its last game against Ball State.
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Casper71
11/12/2016 5:58 PM
Trap game? Hell no, It is a BIG game! I hope the players and coaches see that. As UpSan said if we lose this road game and then lay an egg vs. Akron, Miami may end up the East champ. I for one do not want to see that.

So, let's just go out and win baby!
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Mark Lembright '85
11/12/2016 6:01 PM
Miami is red hot! Second hottest team in the MAC right now behind WMU. I have to think they'll beat Ball State.
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