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Posted: 12/5/2016 9:21 AM
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It's all just so stupid. It turns football into figure skating & gymnastics, with the fate of teams being decided by rankings and committees. I just get so tired of it and don't understand why it can't just be a tournament of conference champions so we can burn the rankings to the ground and every team control their own destiny and know exactly what they need to do.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 9:32 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
It's all just so stupid. It turns football into figure skating & gymnastics, with the fate of teams being decided by rankings and committees. I just get so tired of it and don't understand why it can't just be a tournament of conference champions so we can burn the rankings to the ground and every team control their own destiny and know exactly what they need to do.
Then ESPN couldn't air its "selection" shows, endless debate shows, speculation shows, etc. The whole thing is as made-for-TV as any bad reality show ever was.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 10:00 AM
It was a weird year in the Big Ten the way things shook out. I don't honestly think anybody, sans bias (and there's a lot of that here), can say the two best teams in the Big Ten played in the title game. OSU and Michigan were the two best teams in the conference and neither won their own division outright. Penn St is a very good team, a very hot team, but the fact is they lost to Pitt and got HOUSED by Michigan. I, personally, would have put PSU in over Washington, but I'm not on the committee. That committee was to pick the 4 best teams in the country. Not the 4 hottest teams, not the 4 best conference champs. You can't sincerely look at OSU's resume, 3-1 against teams in the final top 10 with 3 of those games on the road, and say they are not a top 4 team.

For those of you who say conference titles are so important, let me throw you a hypothetical. Alabama was and is clearly the #1 team all year long. Say they dropped the SEC title game on a late FG to Florida. They were the #1 team all through the year, they have one loss and no conference title. Would you leave Alabama out? Would they suddenly not be a top 4 team?
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Posted: 12/5/2016 10:16 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
It's all just so stupid. It turns football into figure skating & gymnastics, with the fate of teams being decided by rankings and committees. I just get so tired of it and don't understand why it can't just be a tournament of conference champions so we can burn the rankings to the ground and every team control their own destiny and know exactly what they need to do.
+1


Eradicate divisions. Have the top two teams from each conference play in the conference title games.

6 teams make the playoffs - the 5 winners of the P5 conference title games and the top ranked Group of 5 team. Top two teams get byes.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 11:22 AM
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Eradicate divisions. Have the top two teams from each conference play in the conference title games.

6 teams make the playoffs - the 5 winners of the P5 conference title games and the top ranked Group of 5 team. Top two teams get byes.
Extremely fair. Makes too much sense for the idiots that run the college football cartel to ever adopted it short of a tar and pitchfork revolt by the unwashed football masses. Power to the people! ;-)
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Posted: 12/5/2016 11:40 AM
I favor a 16-team playoff. Winner of each conference is in.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 1:44 PM
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Eradicate divisions. Have the top two teams from each conference play in the conference title games.

6 teams make the playoffs - the 5 winners of the P5 conference title games and the top ranked Group of 5 team. Top two teams get byes.
Extremely fair. Makes too much sense for the idiots that run the college football cartel to ever adopted it short of a tar and pitchfork revolt by the unwashed football masses. Power to the people! ;-)
Yeah that would be real fair...Can't you see how fair that would be now. 12 teams in the MAC, play 8 games. We get Western, Eastern, Toledo, Central....Miami gets Ball State, NIU, Eastern Central.....That sounds real fair!!! If you remember, Northwestern has two Big10 titles because they did not play OSU, and NW had the tie breaker on the Rose Bowl because they hadn't went the longest.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 2:38 PM
How the Big 10 operated before there were divisions and conference championships is irrelevant to this discussion. Each conference would have 2 divisions and each team would play a round robin within their division and then a conference championship against the other division. There would be no such situation where a team survives because of their schedule. The point is it would become about winning your conference, and the playoffs would simply be a battle of that conference's representative.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 4:20 PM
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How the Big 10 operated before there were divisions and conference championships is irrelevant to this discussion. Each conference would have 2 divisions and each team would play a round robin within their division and then a conference championship against the other division. There would be no such situation where a team survives because of their schedule. The point is it would become about winning your conference, and the playoffs would simply be a battle of that conference's representative.
So OSU and PSU would tie, OSU WOULD STILL GO BECAUSE they are one of the best teams in college football.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 5:15 PM
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I favor a 16-team playoff. Winner of each conference is in.
Amen. Right now a MAC team has absolutely no chance of playing for a national title. Football is the only sport where this is the case.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 5:29 PM
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I favor a 16-team playoff. Winner of each conference is in.
I've been preaching this for years. Ten conference champions, and six at-large teams consisting of the six highest ranked non-champions. A lot of the "big-time" programs would really beef up their non-conference schedule to build up their résumé in case they don't win their conference championship. And for those who always complain about Notre Dame not being in a conference, well, the Irish would know before the season started that they would have to earn one of the six at-large bids to get in.

Every school in the country would now know that they have a chance to compete for the national championship if things break their way. Some schools might have a better chance than others, but at least the chance is there.


This year, the ten conference champions are:

AAC: Temple
ACC: Clemson
Big Ten: Penn St.
Big 12: Oklahoma
CUSA: Western Kentucky
MAC: Western Michigan
Mountain West: San Diego St.
PAC 12: Washington
SEC: Alabama
Sun Belt: Appalachian St.

At-Large:
Ohio St.
Michigan
Wisconsin
USC
Colorado
Florida St.


(Edited: I was looking at an incorrect poll)
Last Edited: 12/5/2016 11:16:24 PM by Long Train Runnin'
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Posted: 12/5/2016 5:46 PM
16 team playoff would mean an NFL type season for these kids and IMO that's too much for these kids and their lack of compensation when you start going that far.

Sorry just not a fan of that.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 6:21 PM
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16 team playoff would mean an NFL type season for these kids and IMO that's too much for these kids and their lack of compensation when you start going that far.

Sorry just not a fan of that.
No one seems to worry about that for NCAA Division III football.

They have a 32-team bracket.
Last Edited: 12/5/2016 6:21:58 PM by Long Train Runnin'
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Posted: 12/5/2016 7:02 PM
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I favor a 16-team playoff. Winner of each conference is in.
This would be my true preference. The other proposal in this thread would be a stop-gap measure inching toward a 16-team playoff. Perhaps, at that same time this is done, the regular season would be cut back to 11 games, which would allow the playoff to start one week earlier. It would be very exciting, all most like March Madness, and I would predict some first round upsets would occur on a fairly regular basis. This is probably what the P5 would fear most.
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Posted: 12/5/2016 8:40 PM
Long Train Runnin' wrote:expand_more
I favor a 16-team playoff. Winner of each conference is in.
I've been preaching this for years. Ten conference champions, and six at-large teams consisting of the six highest ranked non-champions. A lot of the "big-time" programs would really beef up their non-conference schedule to build up their résumé in case they don't win their conference championship. And for those who always complain about Notre Dame not being in a conference, well, the Irish would know before the season started that they would have to earn one of the six at-large bids to get in.

Every school in the country would now know that they have a chance to compete for the national championship if things break their way. Some schools might have a better chance than others, but at least the chance is there.


This year, the ten conference champions are:

#8 AAC: Temple
#2 ACC: Clemson
#4 Big Ten: Penn St.
#5 Big 12: Oklahoma
#7 CUSA: Western Kentucky
#6 MAC: Western Michigan
#9 Mountain West: San Diego St. at #8 Temple
#3 PAC 12: Washington
#1 SEC: Alabama
#10 Sun Belt: Appalachian St. at #7 Western Kentucky

At-Large:
#11 Ohio St. at #6 Western Michigan
#12 Michigan at #5 Oklahoma
#13 Wisconsin at #4 Penn St. (again!)
#14 USC at #3 Washington
#15 Colorado at #2 Clemson
#16 Oklahoma St. at #1 Alabama
Interesting concept.
Would conference champs have higher seeds/home games over at larges? Interesting.

If so, would the seeding be interesting? (see what I added above)
Interesting.

If that were to play out in a bracket (can't post an image here), it would likely end up with a Final Four of: Alabama, Ohio St./Washington, Clemson and Mich/Penn St.*
Interesting.

Would teams in the Top 10 who are left out of the playoffs (Florida State) cry?
Interesting.

I think the only real solution is to go to a 64-team bracket with play-in games.


*second round likely matchups:

Temple at Alabama

Michigan at Penn St.

Ohio St. at Washington

WKU at Clemson
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Posted: 12/5/2016 10:52 PM
Long Train Runnin' wrote:expand_more
16 team playoff would mean an NFL type season for these kids and IMO that's too much for these kids and their lack of compensation when you start going that far.

Sorry just not a fan of that.
No one seems to worry about that for NCAA Division III football.

They have a 32-team bracket.
And DIII plays a minimum of 2 less regular season games, and in OHIO's case this year 3 less games. Damn facts! Take 2-3 games away from schools like OHIO, you loose a money game and a home game and how are you funding programs? 18,000 people even at our ticket prices, losing that is a million+ in revenue.
Last Edited: 12/5/2016 10:55:17 PM by BillyTheCat
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Posted: 12/5/2016 11:10 PM
My guess would be that teams would be seeded according to their overall rankings, regardless of whether they were a conference champion or an at-large team. (Similar to how the NCAA Basketball Tournament works.)

My seeding for this year would be:

1. Alabama
2. Clemson
3. Ohio St. (at-large)
4. Washington
5. Penn St.
6. Michigan (at-large)
7. Oklahoma
8. Wisconsin (at-large)
9. USC (at-large)
10. Colorado (at-large)
11. Florida St. (at-large)
12. Western Michigan
13. Temple
14. Western Kentucky
15. Appalachian St.
16. San Diego St.


The brackets would be as follows:
(A)
#16 San Diego St. @ #1 Alabama
#9 USC @ #8 Wisconsin

(B)
#13 Temple @ #4 Washington
#12 Western Michigan @ #5 Penn St.

(C}
#15 Appalachian St. @ #2 Clemson
#10 Colorado @ #7 Oklahoma

(D)
#14 Western Kentucky @ #3 Ohio St.
#11 Florida St. @ #6 Michigan


Semifinals:
Bracket A winner vs. Bracket B winner
Bracket C winner vs. Bracket D winner


(Edited: I was previously looking at an inaccurate/out-of-date poll)
Last Edited: 12/5/2016 11:27:33 PM by Long Train Runnin'
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Posted: 12/6/2016 1:17 AM
Here's my playoff solution-

- 10 FBS conferences ranked 1-10 based on conference OOC performance*.
- Conference champs for conferences 7-10 play a play-in game (7v10,8v9), champs from 1-6 get a bye week.
- the two winners from the play-in games join top 6 for 8 team playoff.
- quarters, semis, finals. done.

you must win your division to play for a conference championship, you must win your conference championship to play for a national title. its that simple.



*OOC measurement criteria a separate discussion. ideally it would be structured in a away that would force teams to play more road games.
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Posted: 12/6/2016 1:29 AM
Yawn.

Win a MACC and we'll have something OHIO exciting to discuss, to stop these fantasy, silly threads.

Hey, anyone for an OHIO moving to a new conference thread--haven't had one of those perennial favorites for a while?!
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Posted: 12/6/2016 6:59 AM
[QUOTE=LuckySparrow] [QUOTE=Andrew Ruck]

Eradicate divisions. Have the top two teams from each conference play in the conference title games.

[QUOTE]

Never gonna happen,at least not in a number the of conferences like the B1G.

One of the reasons Michigan is in the Eastern Conference is so that OSU/Mich can only play each other once in conference play.

No divisions would really affect "Rivalry Weekend" especially if the same 2 teams would have to play each other again,the next week.
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Posted: 12/6/2016 7:39 AM
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[QUOTE=LuckySparrow] [QUOTE=Andrew Ruck]

Eradicate divisions. Have the top two teams from each conference play in the conference title games.

[QUOTE]

Never gonna happen,at least not in a number the of conferences like the B1G.

One of the reasons Michigan is in the Eastern Conference is so that OSU/Mich can only play each other once in conference play.

No divisions would really affect "Rivalry Weekend" especially if the same 2 teams would have to play each other again,the next week.
No they are both in the same conference so they are guaranteed to play each other once a year!
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Posted: 12/6/2016 9:51 AM
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It's all just so stupid. It turns football into figure skating & gymnastics, with the fate of teams being decided by rankings and committees. I just get so tired of it and don't understand why it can't just be a tournament of conference champions so we can burn the rankings to the ground and every team control their own destiny and know exactly what they need to do.
+1
I am in the same place. I also echo the sentiment that ESPN would have to find some other hoopla to create hype that is really all about ESPN. During the Ohio v. Akron game there were entire plays that went on without comment while the announcers talked about the next days tOSU V UM game. There was a banner in the corner the entire game to remind us. The same happened during the MACC game with the "real" conference championship games coming on Saturday.

I try to enjoy it like I do NCAA BB but I just get tired of the endless analysis and hype. The upcoming bowl games are merely advertising opportunities for ESPN and others to talk about the playoffs while rolling their eyes at the also-rans. "That was a great catch...you will see other great catches in the CFC (footage of OSU, Clemson, Wash, and Bama)...we are back live and we will show you footage of the touchdown run when we return from yet another break in the action."

Probably being a non-Buckeye fan living in Central Ohio doesn't help my attitude. "Hey, where are you watching The Game?"
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Posted: 12/6/2016 11:34 AM
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How the Big 10 operated before there were divisions and conference championships is irrelevant to this discussion. Each conference would have 2 divisions and each team would play a round robin within their division and then a conference championship against the other division. There would be no such situation where a team survives because of their schedule. The point is it would become about winning your conference, and the playoffs would simply be a battle of that conference's representative.
So OSU and PSU would tie, OSU WOULD STILL GO BECAUSE they are one of the best teams in college football.
Huh? No, this already happened and PSU earned the berth to the conference championship based on the standings and parameters set out that are all based on on-field results and nothing to do with people's opinions. You know, the way sports should be.
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Posted: 12/6/2016 11:39 AM
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I am in the same place. I also echo the sentiment that ESPN would have to find some other hoopla to create hype that is really all about ESPN. During the Ohio v. Akron game there were entire plays that went on without comment while the announcers talked about the next days tOSU V UM game. There was a banner in the corner the entire game to remind us. The same happened during the MACC game with the "real" conference championship games coming on Saturday.

I try to enjoy it like I do NCAA BB but I just get tired of the endless analysis and hype. The upcoming bowl games are merely advertising opportunities for ESPN and others to talk about the playoffs while rolling their eyes at the also-rans. "That was a great catch...you will see other great catches in the CFC (footage of OSU, Clemson, Wash, and Bama)...we are back live and we will show you footage of the touchdown run when we return from yet another break in the action."

Probably being a non-Buckeye fan living in Central Ohio doesn't help my attitude. "Hey, where are you watching The Game?"
I agree. As far as ESPN is concerned, midweek MACtion -- or really any G5 conference game -- is little more than a way to get football fans' attention for the "important" games coming up on the weekend. CBSSN treats the MAC with more respect; they actually discuss the MAC game during the halftime show.

BTW, I found that noon to four on Nov 26 was a great time for shopping. Absolutely no crowds in the Columbus-area stores.
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Posted: 12/6/2016 11:46 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
I am in the same place. I also echo the sentiment that ESPN would have to find some other hoopla to create hype that is really all about ESPN. During the Ohio v. Akron game there were entire plays that went on without comment while the announcers talked about the next days tOSU V UM game. There was a banner in the corner the entire game to remind us. The same happened during the MACC game with the "real" conference championship games coming on Saturday.

I try to enjoy it like I do NCAA BB but I just get tired of the endless analysis and hype. The upcoming bowl games are merely advertising opportunities for ESPN and others to talk about the playoffs while rolling their eyes at the also-rans. "That was a great catch...you will see other great catches in the CFC (footage of OSU, Clemson, Wash, and Bama)...we are back live and we will show you footage of the touchdown run when we return from yet another break in the action."

Probably being a non-Buckeye fan living in Central Ohio doesn't help my attitude. "Hey, where are you watching The Game?"
I agree. As far as ESPN is concerned, midweek MACtion -- or really any G5 conference game -- is little more than a way to get football fans' attention for the "important" games coming up on the weekend. CBSSN treats the MAC with more respect; they actually discuss the MAC game during the halftime show.

BTW, I found that noon to four on Nov 26 was a great time for shopping. Absolutely no crowds in the Columbus-area stores.
Same here in Athens - stores were empty. Went to Lowe's and there were more people working than shopping.
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