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OhioCatFan
12/6/2016 11:57 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
. . . PSU earned the berth to the conference championship based on the standings and parameters set out that are all based on on-field results and nothing to do with people's opinions. You know, the way sports should be.
Speaking truth to power . . . good job, bro!
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rpbobcat
12/6/2016 12:26 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=LuckySparrow] [QUOTE=Andrew Ruck]

Eradicate divisions. Have the top two teams from each conference play in the conference title games.

[QUOTE]

Never gonna happen,at least not in a number the of conferences like the B1G.

One of the reasons Michigan is in the Eastern Conference is so that OSU/Mich can only play each other once in conference play.

No divisions would really affect "Rivalry Weekend" especially if the same 2 teams would have to play each other again,the next week.
No they are both in the same conference so they are guaranteed to play each other once a year!
The were talking about this on one of the sports stations before the OSU/Michigan game.

They said one of the first proposed B1G conference alignments had Michigan in the west.

The set up would still have had OSU play Michigan every year.But the possibility of them playing again for the conference championship the next week would dilute the rivalry.
Hence,Michigan ended up in the East.
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BillyTheCat
12/6/2016 1:25 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
. . . PSU earned the berth to the conference championship based on the standings and parameters set out that are all based on on-field results and nothing to do with people's opinions. You know, the way sports should be.
Speaking truth to power . . . good job, bro!
And they got to play in the Conference Championship, and they get to represent the conference in the Rose Bowl. Congrats! Then a separate body, set out to pick the best 4 teams in the country to play in their little 4 team tournament. They chose OSU, it's really that simple.
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BillyTheCat
12/6/2016 1:30 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=LuckySparrow] [QUOTE=Andrew Ruck]

Eradicate divisions. Have the top two teams from each conference play in the conference title games.

[QUOTE]

Never gonna happen,at least not in a number the of conferences like the B1G.

One of the reasons Michigan is in the Eastern Conference is so that OSU/Mich can only play each other once in conference play.

No divisions would really affect "Rivalry Weekend" especially if the same 2 teams would have to play each other again,the next week.
No they are both in the same conference so they are guaranteed to play each other once a year!
The were talking about this on one of the sports stations before the OSU/Michigan game.

They said one of the first proposed B1G conference alignments had Michigan in the west.

The set up would still have had OSU play Michigan every year.But the possibility of them playing again for the conference championship the next week would dilute the rivalry.
Hence,Michigan ended up in the East.
That is true, the original model had them in the west and was designed to create a competitive balance. Not all rivalries were able to be maintained though.

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/looking-back-at-...
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KC Bobcat
12/6/2016 3:20 PM
Long Train Runnin' wrote:expand_more
I favor a 16-team playoff. Winner of each conference is in.
I've been preaching this for years. Ten conference champions, and six at-large teams consisting of the six highest ranked non-champions. A lot of the "big-time" programs would really beef up their non-conference schedule to build up their résumé in case they don't win their conference championship. And for those who always complain about Notre Dame not being in a conference, well, the Irish would know before the season started that they would have to earn one of the six at-large bids to get in.

Every school in the country would now know that they have a chance to compete for the national championship if things break their way. Some schools might have a better chance than others, but at least the chance is there.


This year, the ten conference champions are:

AAC: Temple
ACC: Clemson
Big Ten: Penn St.
Big 12: Oklahoma
CUSA: Western Kentucky
MAC: Western Michigan
Mountain West: San Diego St.
PAC 12: Washington
SEC: Alabama
Sun Belt: Appalachian St.

At-Large:
Ohio St.
Michigan
Wisconsin
USC
Colorado
Florida St.
This is the perfect solution.
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OhioStunter
12/6/2016 4:16 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
It's all just so stupid. It turns football into figure skating & gymnastics, with the fate of teams being decided by rankings and committees. I just get so tired of it and don't understand why it can't just be a tournament of conference champions so we can burn the rankings to the ground and every team control their own destiny and know exactly what they need to do.
Isn't this how college football has always been? Fates of teams determined by rankings and/or committees?
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Andrew Ruck
12/6/2016 11:20 PM
Yes, one of the many reasons I'm not really into college football.
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Ohio69
12/7/2016 9:13 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
. . . PSU earned the berth to the conference championship based on the standings and parameters set out that are all based on on-field results and nothing to do with people's opinions. You know, the way sports should be.
Speaking truth to power . . . good job, bro!
And they got to play in the Conference Championship, and they get to represent the conference in the Rose Bowl. Congrats! Then a separate body, set out to pick the best 4 teams in the country to play in their little 4 team tournament. They chose OSU, it's really that simple.
It is not simple. It is almost inexplicable. OSU is in the final 4 because hmmm....uh....they pass the "eye test" better?

They didn't win their conference. They lost to the winner of their conference. And, they don't pass the eye test for me. They barely beat Wisconsin. Lost to Penn State. Barely beat Northwestern. Looked god awful and got lucky against Michigan State.... And so on...

I simply don't see it. I don't see them has having proven to be so much better than PSU to overcome finishing 3rd in their conference...
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Mike Johnson
12/7/2016 9:21 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
. . . PSU earned the berth to the conference championship based on the standings and parameters set out that are all based on on-field results and nothing to do with people's opinions. You know, the way sports should be.
Speaking truth to power . . . good job, bro!
And they got to play in the Conference Championship, and they get to represent the conference in the Rose Bowl. Congrats! Then a separate body, set out to pick the best 4 teams in the country to play in their little 4 team tournament. They chose OSU, it's really that simple.
It is not simple. It is almost inexplicable. OSU is in the final 4 because hmmm....uh....they pass the "eye test" better?

They didn't win their conference. They lost to the winner of their conference. And, they don't pass the eye test for me. They barely beat Wisconsin. Lost to Penn State. Barely beat Northwestern. Looked god awful and got lucky against Michigan State.... And so on...

I simply don't see it. I don't see them has having proven to be so much better than PSU to overcome finishing 3rd in their conference...
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BillyTheCat
12/7/2016 10:43 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
. . . PSU earned the berth to the conference championship based on the standings and parameters set out that are all based on on-field results and nothing to do with people's opinions. You know, the way sports should be.
Speaking truth to power . . . good job, bro!
And they got to play in the Conference Championship, and they get to represent the conference in the Rose Bowl. Congrats! Then a separate body, set out to pick the best 4 teams in the country to play in their little 4 team tournament. They chose OSU, it's really that simple.
It is not simple. It is almost inexplicable. OSU is in the final 4 because hmmm....uh....they pass the "eye test" better?

They didn't win their conference. They lost to the winner of their conference. And, they don't pass the eye test for me. They barely beat Wisconsin. Lost to Penn State. Barely beat Northwestern. Looked god awful and got lucky against Michigan State.... And so on...

I simply don't see it. I don't see them has having proven to be so much better than PSU to overcome finishing 3rd in their conference...
Ignore the facts all you want, they beat more top 10 teams than anyone, had a 3-1 record on the road v. ranked teams. They also had the toughest schedule in the country. Funny, on another thread (or maybe this one) people are talking about how SOS should count for something. That is of course until that works in the favor of a team you hate, then SOS should never be a factor.
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Mike Johnson
12/7/2016 11:37 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
. . . PSU earned the berth to the conference championship based on the standings and parameters set out that are all based on on-field results and nothing to do with people's opinions. You know, the way sports should be.
Speaking truth to power . . . good job, bro!
And they got to play in the Conference Championship, and they get to represent the conference in the Rose Bowl. Congrats! Then a separate body, set out to pick the best 4 teams in the country to play in their little 4 team tournament. They chose OSU, it's really that simple.
It is not simple. It is almost inexplicable. OSU is in the final 4 because hmmm....uh....they pass the "eye test" better?

They didn't win their conference. They lost to the winner of their conference. And, they don't pass the eye test for me. They barely beat Wisconsin. Lost to Penn State. Barely beat Northwestern. Looked god awful and got lucky against Michigan State.... And so on...

I simply don't see it. I don't see them has having proven to be so much better than PSU to overcome finishing 3rd in their conference...
Ignore the facts all you want, they beat more top 10 teams than anyone, had a 3-1 record on the road v. ranked teams. They also had the toughest schedule in the country. Funny, on another thread (or maybe this one) people are talking about how SOS should count for something. That is of course until that works in the favor of a team you hate, then SOS should never be a factor.
Something to ponder...I find strength of schedule rankings to be much more subjective than many folks want to believe. There have, for example, been seasons when Ohio's non-conf schedule has appeared to me more challenging than Ohio State's. But how many observers have kept that in mind, even early in the season before conference games begin?

I do believe OSU is a very strong team. But its loss to PSU and close wins over a mediocre NW and downright fortunate win over weak MSU have me questioning its strength of schedule versus many other teams.
Last Edited: 12/7/2016 12:51:03 PM by Mike Johnson
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Maryland Bobcat
12/7/2016 7:50 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
16 team playoff would mean an NFL type season for these kids and IMO that's too much for these kids and their lack of compensation when you start going that far.

Sorry just not a fan of that.
No one seems to worry about that for NCAA Division III football.

They have a 32-team bracket.
And DIII plays a minimum of 2 less regular season games, and in OHIO's case this year 3 less games. Damn facts! Take 2-3 games away from schools like OHIO, you loose a money game and a home game and how are you funding programs? 18,000 people even at our ticket prices, losing that is a million+ in revenue.

Long Train is 100% correct. Anything less than a tournament that includes all ten conference champs is not a true playoff. Programs that compete in FBS compete in the only sport in NCAA athletics that has no true postseason tournament, and Group of 5 teams have zero chance of a title going into the season. if they did this in hockey Miami (OH) would not have made the title game, Maryland Baltimore County would not have made the soccer finals, Kent State would not have made the College World Series and Butler would not have made the Final Four.

And shortening the season to make it happen? Yeah, you'd hate to lose a home game vs Gardner Webb or one less Tuesday night game in front of 2,800 people. We played less than 12 games for several years - you can still schedule a "big money" game if you want.

There's no excuses. FCS plays an 11-game schedule and they have a 24-team playoff at the end of the season. I think if the likes of William and Mary, Lehigh, Richmond, Fordham, Cornell, etc. can manage the academic side then so can Alabama. I'm tired of hearing excuse after excuse when the only real issue is money. ESPN has a major bowl contract, and we have 8 more years of this ridiculous "playoff" contract and Dr. Pepper commercials. Of course the P5 schools don't want to change. Of course they want the money flowing in. Of course Ohio St. wants 8 home games selling $100 tickets to 107,000 people.

And the bowl system? Would we really be that sad to see it gone? Would we really miss the Potato Bowl? Would we miss 6-6 Maryland, Northwestern, Illinois and Indiana in bowls? Ten years ago we were so excited to see OU finally make a bowl game we went to Mobile to see it. Now is anyone honestly that excited? All they have to do is go 7-5 and they go somewhere. It's not special to make a bowl like it was when the champ or division champ got one. It would be nice to see the conference championship game really mean something, again.
Last Edited: 12/7/2016 7:54:26 PM by Maryland Bobcat
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BillyTheCat
12/7/2016 8:00 PM
Maryland Bobcat wrote:expand_more
16 team playoff would mean an NFL type season for these kids and IMO that's too much for these kids and their lack of compensation when you start going that far.

Sorry just not a fan of that.
No one seems to worry about that for NCAA Division III football.

They have a 32-team bracket.
And DIII plays a minimum of 2 less regular season games, and in OHIO's case this year 3 less games. Damn facts! Take 2-3 games away from schools like OHIO, you loose a money game and a home game and how are you funding programs? 18,000 people even at our ticket prices, losing that is a million+ in revenue.

Long Train is 100% correct. Anything less than a tournament that includes all ten conference champs is not a true playoff. Programs that compete in FBS compete in the only sport in NCAA athletics that has no true postseason tournament, and Group of 5 teams have zero chance of a title going into the season. if they did this in hockey Miami (OH) would not have made the title game, Maryland Baltimore County would not have made the soccer finals, Kent State would not have made the College World Series and Butler would not have made the Final Four.

And shortening the season to make it happen? Yeah, you'd hate to lose a home game vs Gardner Webb or one less Tuesday night game in front of 2,800 people. We played less than 12 games for several years - you can still schedule a "big money" game if you want.

There's no excuses. FCS plays an 11-game schedule and they have a 24-team playoff at the end of the season. I think if the likes of William and Mary, Lehigh, Richmond, Fordham, Cornell, etc. can manage the academic side then so can Alabama. I'm tired of hearing excuse after excuse when the only real issue is money. ESPN has a major bowl contract, and we have 8 more years of this ridiculous "playoff" contract and Dr. Pepper commercials. Of course the P5 schools don't want to change. Of course they want the money flowing in. Of course Ohio St. wants 8 home games selling $100 tickets to 107,000 people.

And the bowl system? Would we really be that sad to see it gone? Would we really miss the Potato Bowl? Would we miss 6-6 Maryland, Northwestern, Illinois and Indiana in bowls? Ten years ago we were so excited to see OU finally make a bowl game we went to Mobile to see it. Now is anyone honestly that excited? All they have to do is go 7-5 and they go somewhere. It's not special to make a bowl like it was when the champ or division champ got one. It would be nice to see the conference championship game really mean something, again.
Let's just all boycott College Football until it changes. Who is in?
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bobcatsquared
12/7/2016 8:30 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Let's just all boycott College Football until it changes. Who is in?
Despite growing up within the shadows of the horseshoe in addition to being an ND fan since the early 1970s and having attended a couple dozen games in South Bend, I have slowly began a self-imposed boycott of power conference football.

I'm content with following and rooting on the Bobcats and taking in an occasional game at Dennison. I realize my actions won't change anything, but I've slowly lost interest in big-time college football, equating it to nothing less than the equivalence of professional football.

(It's duly noted that it's not difficult pulling oneself away from ND football in 2016.)
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BillyTheCat
12/7/2016 9:49 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Let's just all boycott College Football until it changes. Who is in?
Despite growing up within the shadows of the horseshoe in addition to being an ND fan since the early 1970s and having attended a couple dozen games in South Bend, I have slowly began a self-imposed boycott of power conference football.

I'm content with following and rooting on the Bobcats and taking in an occasional game at Dennison. I realize my actions won't change anything, but I've slowly lost interest in big-time college football, equating it to nothing less than the equivalence of professional football.

(It's duly noted that it's not difficult pulling oneself away from ND football in 2016.)
Denninson had a nice season, had a couple of their games this year
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Robert Fox
12/8/2016 8:11 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
...I have slowly began a self-imposed boycott of power conference football.
Grammar police infraction. 10 yard penalty. Repeat 1st down. (Good to bust the cop.)
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Maryland Bobcat
12/8/2016 8:12 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Let's just all boycott College Football until it changes. Who is in?
Despite growing up within the shadows of the horseshoe in addition to being an ND fan since the early 1970s and having attended a couple dozen games in South Bend, I have slowly began a self-imposed boycott of power conference football.

I'm content with following and rooting on the Bobcats and taking in an occasional game at Dennison. I realize my actions won't change anything, but I've slowly lost interest in big-time college football, equating it to nothing less than the equivalence of professional football.

(It's duly noted that it's not difficult pulling oneself away from ND football in 2016.)
From the looks of the attendance of most MACtion mid-week games I'd say this has already started!

Bingo. I moved to this policy a few years ago! I support my Bobcats, Navy (my next door neighbor), and take in a few FCS games now and then (Towson my other Alma mater and Fordham my wife's Alma mater). I can tell you the playoff excitement of FCS is fantastic. Towson actually played Fordham a few years ago in a playoff game then went on to the final game and lost to NDSU. It was a lot of fun. There are times I wish Ohio would just join the CAA - the SEC of FCS!
Last Edited: 12/8/2016 8:14:21 AM by Maryland Bobcat
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Ohio69
12/8/2016 8:45 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
. . . PSU earned the berth to the conference championship based on the standings and parameters set out that are all based on on-field results and nothing to do with people's opinions. You know, the way sports should be.
Speaking truth to power . . . good job, bro!
And they got to play in the Conference Championship, and they get to represent the conference in the Rose Bowl. Congrats! Then a separate body, set out to pick the best 4 teams in the country to play in their little 4 team tournament. They chose OSU, it's really that simple.
It is not simple. It is almost inexplicable. OSU is in the final 4 because hmmm....uh....they pass the "eye test" better?

They didn't win their conference. They lost to the winner of their conference. And, they don't pass the eye test for me. They barely beat Wisconsin. Lost to Penn State. Barely beat Northwestern. Looked god awful and got lucky against Michigan State.... And so on...

I simply don't see it. I don't see them has having proven to be so much better than PSU to overcome finishing 3rd in their conference...
Ignore the facts all you want, they beat more top 10 teams than anyone, had a 3-1 record on the road v. ranked teams. They also had the toughest schedule in the country. Funny, on another thread (or maybe this one) people are talking about how SOS should count for something. That is of course until that works in the favor of a team you hate, then SOS should never be a factor.

Head to head results trump all of that. Use that stuff as a tie breaker.

In my view, when you lose to the team that wins your conference title and has the same overall record as you, you shouldn't get in ahead of that team.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
12/8/2016 9:13 AM
In my mind, any team that loses by 39 points shouldn't be in a football playoff.

You lose a game by five touchdowns, you're automatically disqualified.
Last Edited: 12/8/2016 9:14:01 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Andrew Ruck
12/8/2016 9:26 AM
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In my mind, any team that loses by 39 points shouldn't be in a football playoff.

You lose a game by five touchdowns, you're automatically disqualified.
How cool would it be if that was an explicit rule? You'd have teams taking timeouts and running the 2 minute drill when they're down by 40.
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OhioStunter
12/8/2016 9:28 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Head to head results trump all of that. Use that stuff as a tie breaker.

In my view, when you lose to the team that wins your conference title and has the same overall record as you, you shouldn't get in ahead of that team.
But they don't have the same overall record. Penn St. has two losses.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
12/8/2016 10:23 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
In my mind, any team that loses by 39 points shouldn't be in a football playoff.

You lose a game by five touchdowns, you're automatically disqualified.
How cool would it be if that was an explicit rule? You'd have teams taking timeouts and running the 2 minute drill when they're down by 40.
That would be a fantastic way to add drama to a blowout.

Another really fun thing would be to watch Alabama. Saban would salt the earth to make sure none of his opponents could get to the playoff.
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100%Cat
12/8/2016 12:24 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
. . . PSU earned the berth to the conference championship based on the standings and parameters set out that are all based on on-field results and nothing to do with people's opinions. You know, the way sports should be.
Speaking truth to power . . . good job, bro!
And they got to play in the Conference Championship, and they get to represent the conference in the Rose Bowl. Congrats! Then a separate body, set out to pick the best 4 teams in the country to play in their little 4 team tournament. They chose OSU, it's really that simple.
It is not simple. It is almost inexplicable. OSU is in the final 4 because hmmm....uh....they pass the "eye test" better?

They didn't win their conference. They lost to the winner of their conference. And, they don't pass the eye test for me. They barely beat Wisconsin. Lost to Penn State. Barely beat Northwestern. Looked god awful and got lucky against Michigan State.... And so on...

I simply don't see it. I don't see them has having proven to be so much better than PSU to overcome finishing 3rd in their conference...
Ignore the facts all you want, they beat more top 10 teams than anyone, had a 3-1 record on the road v. ranked teams. They also had the toughest schedule in the country. Funny, on another thread (or maybe this one) people are talking about how SOS should count for something. That is of course until that works in the favor of a team you hate, then SOS should never be a factor.
Spare your effort, it's worthless. Too much butt hurt and resentment of Ohio State around this place to ever expect logic in reference to them. If this wasn't Ohio State, it wouldn't be an issue here. There are not 4 better teams in the country than the Buckeyes, period.

If you want to cry in your Cheerios about a team in the playoff that maybe shouldn't be there, take a closer look at Washington's resume. Cupcake city and got housed at home by the one tough team on their schedule.
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