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Posted: 1/2/2017 9:13 PM
WRONG.
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Posted: 1/2/2017 9:49 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
WRONG.
Thanks for your usual avoid the facts and subject and reply with nonsense. You never disappoint.
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Posted: 1/2/2017 10:00 PM
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WRONG.
Thanks for your usual avoid the facts and subject and reply with nonsense. You never disappoint.
Come on, man. Monroe is Mr. Fact-Based Analyst. Just ask him, he'll tell you that he is the only one who is rooted in facts. The rest of us are Solich worshippers who think everything is sunshine and lollypops.
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Posted: 1/2/2017 10:59 PM
I'm merely playing the entitlement card when it comes to athletic events. It is pervasive and cuts across all sports. The hook was baited and swallowed.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 11:36 AM
One good thing that may come out of Ohio State's pathetic play in the semi-final game is that in the future the committee may be more inclined to select conference champions instead of sending invites to "favored sons."
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Posted: 1/3/2017 12:09 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
One good thing that may come out of Ohio State's pathetic play in the semi-final game is that in the future the committee may be more inclined to select conference champions instead of sending invites to "favored sons."
Why because the Big10 Champion proved anything?
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Posted: 1/3/2017 12:29 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
One good thing that may come out of Ohio State's pathetic play in the semi-final game is that in the future the committee may be more inclined to select conference champions instead of sending invites to "favored sons."
Why because the Big10 Champion proved anything?
No because the Big10 rpresentative embarrassed themselves and showed (at least) they were not worthy of being on the field.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 12:40 PM
I didn't think anyone from the big10 deserved to be in the playoffs. Not sure who should of been in but I didn't see much from the big10 or big12 this year as compared to previous years.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 12:47 PM
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Will they stand for "mediocrity"?
Looks like they moved quickly on this one. Who knows what all actually went down/was said behind closed doors. Beck fell on his feet it looks like. May have had his bags packed before leaving for Arizona?

Austin Ward
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"Change has already arrived at Ohio State after the shutout loss in the College Football Playoff. The Buckeyes announced that they have hired Ryan Day, formerly the QBs coach with the San Francisco 49ers and a 10-year college assistant, to replace Tim Beck. Ohio State said Beck, who was also the co-coordinator of the offense the last two seasons, is "pursuing other opportunities."

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2017/01/0...

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18399936/...
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Posted: 1/3/2017 12:55 PM
We should be more like OSU! Fire them! Fire them all!

WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!
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Posted: 1/3/2017 1:54 PM
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We should be more like OSU! Fire them! Fire them all!

WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!WIN!
You left out a win. And the death threats.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 4:46 PM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
Will they stand for "mediocrity"?
Looks like they moved quickly on this one. Who knows what all actually went down/was said behind closed doors. Beck fell on his feet it looks like. May have had his bags packed before leaving for Arizona?

Austin Ward
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"Change has already arrived at Ohio State after the shutout loss in the College Football Playoff. The Buckeyes announced that they have hired Ryan Day, formerly the QBs coach with the San Francisco 49ers and a 10-year college assistant, to replace Tim Beck. Ohio State said Beck, who was also the co-coordinator of the offense the last two seasons, is "pursuing other opportunities."

http://buckeyextra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2017/01/0...

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18399936/...
Appears he already has/had a job:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18399936/...
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Posted: 1/3/2017 4:49 PM
Can't imagine it's much fun working for the likes of Urban Meyer or Nick Saban.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 4:52 PM
In today's Pittsburgh paper the Steelers beat writer said if the they don't beat the Dolphins on Sunday it will be the worst catastrophe in the history of the team. Give me a break. They are all pros out there. Where does this warped sense of entitlement come for a silly game?

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2017/01/03/Ro...
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Posted: 1/3/2017 4:54 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
In today's Pittsburgh paper the Steelers beat writer said if the they don't beat the Dolphins on Sunday it will be the worst catastrophe in the history of the team. Give me a break. They are all pros out there. Where does this warped sense of entitlement come for a silly game?

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2017/01/03/Ro...
I certainly appreciate the Steelers' strong history of success and they seem to be a good franchise from top to bottom but losing a game at home to another team who qualified for the playoffs isn't exactly a catastrophe. 31 teams go home empty handed every season.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 6:26 PM
I don't like arrogance in people in general, and coaches in particular. I thought that Urban Meyer's comments after the Clemson loss were in very bad taste. He aaid: "This will NOT happen again." And, he also said, "We WILL be back here next year." There were no qualifiers. That's just pure arrogance. Now, he could have said something like, "We are going to work very hard to make sure a disaster like this doesn't happen again." And, "I'm going to work my butt off to make sure we are back here again." These statements are much less arrogant. But, since we are talking about the Evil Empire, one has to expect pure, unadulterated arrogance. One also has to expect that the Walmart Alumni will eat it up.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 6:40 PM
Or God forbid he say something more accurate like - "This is on me. When a team is this outplayed and this unprepared, it is on the head coach. Easy for fans to blame the players and easy for the head coach to blame the staff. Me....its on me."
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Posted: 1/3/2017 10:52 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Or God forbid he say something more accurate like - "This is on me. When a team is this outplayed and this unprepared, it is on the head coach. Easy for fans to blame the players and easy for the head coach to blame the staff. Me....its on me."
Isn't it funny how OCF selectively used comments from that press conference. There was zero wrong with what Urban said, he took responsibility, and promised that they would get better, work hard and get back. Heaven forbid a coach shows confidence in his players and program.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 11:37 PM
Don't see where he takes responsibility and gives only a backhanded compliment to Clemson

http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Article/Ohio-State-Buckeye...
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Posted: 1/3/2017 11:46 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Don't see where he takes responsibility and gives only a backhanded compliment to Clemson

http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Article/Ohio-State-Buckeye...
Reference to coaching: Q: Urban, I know you said you want to be balanced, but I think the first half, 21 of 27 plays were called passes. And the game wasn't out of hand at that point. You didn't think you could run consistently against them?
COACH MEYER: No, I didn't realize that until you just said it. That was not the game plan. I think we kind of got taken out of the game plan a little bit. But no, that was our plan, to be balanced. We didn't follow the plan.

Coaching: Q: Coach, 2012-2013 your defense kind of got exploited a little bit. You've spoke ad infinitum about how you had to blow it up, change the culture, everything else. Are you in the same situation now after the way this season ended up with your offense?
COACH MEYER: In some regards. I'm going to take a hard look at some things when we get back, and obviously there were some great things this year, some great things.


Nothing wrong here about expectations: Q: Urban, you said at Media Day that in all honesty you thought that next year would be the year, that you were a little bit expected that development came as quickly. Now after this game do you think you were a year away?
COACH MEYER: I mean, I thought that in the beginning of the year. No, I thought we were going to go compete for the National Championship in 10 days or whatever it is. I really did.

I think we have a bunch of good players, a bunch of good guys, and our anticipation is to get back here next year and take a good swing at it and realize we've got a lot of work to do, obviously. But that comment I made was prior to the season, not today. When you said that a year away, no, shoot, I thought we were ready to go. And didn't anticipate this at all.

I'm sure we'd be upset if Coach Solich didn't have the same expectations of OHIO in getting back to our MACC and giving it our best shot when we got there.

As for Clemson, he is complimenting Watson, the D-Line and other aspects several times when asked. every coach feels like their team could have influenced the outcome had the executed better and made more plays, our own coaches makes these comments regularly.
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Posted: 1/4/2017 12:13 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Or God forbid he say something more accurate like - "This is on me. When a team is this outplayed and this unprepared, it is on the head coach. Easy for fans to blame the players and easy for the head coach to blame the staff. Me....its on me."
Isn't it funny how OCF selectively used comments from that press conference. There was zero wrong with what Urban said, he took responsibility, and promised that they would get better, work hard and get back. Heaven forbid a coach shows confidence in his players and program.
What i quoted was what he said right after the game. Your extended quote was from a longer interview later. He did tone it down in those remarks, but his initial statements were very arrogant, IMHO.
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Posted: 1/4/2017 11:10 AM
Billy - thanks for posting - I still do not see where he takes responsibility - at no point does he say, in any way - "on me"

and he only gives gives a backhanded compliment to Clemson:

Q: Urban, what did you think about Deshaun Watson's performance tonight?
COACH MEYER: Great player.

Q: Is there any way when you see a team on film like Clemson, is there any way to know how good that defensive line will be when you see them live and how disruptive they will be until you're actually in the game? Was there any inkling that that would be --
COACH MEYER: I'm not being disrespectful of Clemson. That's a great football team. But we just didn't execute well. But we knew -- they're a very talented group.
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Posted: 1/4/2017 11:23 AM
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Billy - thanks for posting - I still do not see where he takes responsibility - at no point does he say, in any way - "on me"

and he only gives gives a backhanded compliment to Clemson:

Q: Urban, what did you think about Deshaun Watson's performance tonight?
COACH MEYER: Great player.

Q: Is there any way when you see a team on film like Clemson, is there any way to know how good that defensive line will be when you see them live and how disruptive they will be until you're actually in the game? Was there any inkling that that would be --
COACH MEYER: I'm not being disrespectful of Clemson. That's a great football team. But we just didn't execute well. But we knew -- they're a very talented group.
How is saying a player is "great" a backhanded compliment?

And when he talks about the failure to stick to a game plan, that is not talking about players, that is him and his staff. He also states that this will not repeat itself, that is him promising to do a better job.

OCF: Every coach speak about their own team comes off with arrogance, coaches need to project a confidence about their players and programs. The comments are all in the ears of the listener, and those who want to find negative will find negative.
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Posted: 1/4/2017 11:39 AM
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Billy - thanks for posting - I still do not see where he takes responsibility - at no point does he say, in any way - "on me"

and he only gives gives a backhanded compliment to Clemson:

Q: Urban, what did you think about Deshaun Watson's performance tonight?
COACH MEYER: Great player.

Q: Is there any way when you see a team on film like Clemson, is there any way to know how good that defensive line will be when you see them live and how disruptive they will be until you're actually in the game? Was there any inkling that that would be --
COACH MEYER: I'm not being disrespectful of Clemson. That's a great football team. But we just didn't execute well. But we knew -- they're a very talented group.
How is saying a player is "great" a backhanded compliment?

And when he talks about the failure to stick to a game plan, that is not talking about players, that is him and his staff. He also states that this will not repeat itself, that is him promising to do a better job.
"Great Player" no elaboration. dismissive answer.

"I'm not being disrespectful of Clemson. That's a great football team. But..."

As backhanded as you can get.

"Failure to stick to a game plan" is on the coordinator not him.

Never said anything about "on him."

Your defense/translation of what he said is like a spokesperson tying to rewrite what a candidate or president-elect said...or did not say
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Posted: 1/4/2017 11:41 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Billy - thanks for posting - I still do not see where he takes responsibility - at no point does he say, in any way - "on me"

and he only gives gives a backhanded compliment to Clemson:

Q: Urban, what did you think about Deshaun Watson's performance tonight?
COACH MEYER: Great player.

Q: Is there any way when you see a team on film like Clemson, is there any way to know how good that defensive line will be when you see them live and how disruptive they will be until you're actually in the game? Was there any inkling that that would be --
COACH MEYER: I'm not being disrespectful of Clemson. That's a great football team. But we just didn't execute well. But we knew -- they're a very talented group.
How is saying a player is "great" a backhanded compliment?

And when he talks about the failure to stick to a game plan, that is not talking about players, that is him and his staff. He also states that this will not repeat itself, that is him promising to do a better job.
"Great Player" no elaboration. dismissive answer.

I'm not being disrespectful of Clemson. That's a great football team. But...

As backhanded as you can get.

"Failure to stick to a game plan" is on the coordinator not him.

Never said anything about "on him."

Your defense/translation of what he said is like a spokesperson tying to rewrite what a candidate or president-elect said...or did not say
but...he obviously felt like his team had something to do with that defeat being as bad as it was. Not any different than our own coach after we lost to Western, when he talks about "we" didn't make plays.

Again, its all in the ears of the listener and those who want to find disrespect and hate will.
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