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Posted: 12/31/2016 2:49 PM
He's graduated, has eligibility remaining and wants to be a college AD. Could it be him? He would be great for us!
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Posted: 1/1/2017 7:48 PM
I really need to use my inside scoop to see if possible.
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Posted: 1/2/2017 11:52 AM
Let me get this straight...osu, who can't throw the the ball with their starter, has a 4th string grad transfer and we want him?
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Posted: 1/2/2017 12:01 PM
Red shirted season and out by injury season.

Resident expert: BillytheCat, if this young man graduates with a year left, is there history of a graduate transfer having two years to play if granted a medical red shirt?
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Posted: 1/2/2017 12:12 PM
I believe he and Zaire could apply for medical redshirts. I believe Burrow and Collier are better passers than JT. Urban hasn't developed a good NFL QB since Alex Smith.
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Posted: 1/2/2017 3:36 PM
I used to think this board was smarter than this. Keep grasping for straws.
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Posted: 1/2/2017 4:46 PM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
Red shirted season and out by injury season.

Resident expert: BillytheCat, if this young man graduates with a year left, is there history of a graduate transfer having two years to play if granted a medical red shirt?
You would have no clue on the granting of a 6th year until after the completion of eligibility.the NCAA has gotten more lienent over the past few years on 6th years.
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Posted: 1/2/2017 6:09 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Red shirted season and out by injury season.

Resident expert: BillytheCat, if this young man graduates with a year left, is there history of a graduate transfer having two years to play if granted a medical red shirt?
You would have no clue on the granting of a 6th year until after the completion of eligibility.the NCAA has gotten more lienent over the past few years on 6th years.
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Posted: 1/2/2017 11:42 PM
I'm not understanding all of these hopes and wishes for all these transfers to come to Ohio. Are people wanting Ohio to knock Akron of its perch? First people dig at Akron for all of their transfers, then hope for them themselves? Speaking of which, how have all of those transfers panned out for Akron in recent years anyway? Not very well. Akron's become a graveyard for many of them and they've had very little impact. Many of them were band aids that couldn't stop the bleeding.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 7:43 AM
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I'm not understanding all of these hopes and wishes for all these transfers to come to Ohio. Are people wanting Ohio to knock Akron of its perch? First people dig at Akron for all of their transfers, then hope for them themselves? Speaking of which, how have all of those transfers panned out for Akron in recent years anyway? Not very well. Akron's become a graveyard for many of them and they've had very little impact. Many of them were band aids that couldn't stop the bleeding.
+1

If the program is in as good of shape as people say on here, the QB position shouldn't be a problem next year or years to come.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 8:10 AM
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If the program is in as good of shape as people say on here, the QB position shouldn't be a problem next year or years to come.
IF.

Some believe that the staff's failure (inability?) to recruit and develop a high quality QB is what prevents the program from taking the next step. We shall see.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 9:16 AM
Instead of Collier (unproven 5th yr grad), I would still play Q Maxwell who has in-game experience and has ran our system for 2 yrs. Only real transfer worth considering is Malik Zaire or Max Browne (who Darnold beat out at USC). Browne would have 2 or 3 to play. UCONNs coach got canned but Im not sure if they have any QB worth looking at.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 9:59 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I'm not understanding all of these hopes and wishes for all these transfers to come to Ohio. Are people wanting Ohio to knock Akron of its perch? First people dig at Akron for all of their transfers, then hope for them themselves? Speaking of which, how have all of those transfers panned out for Akron in recent years anyway? Not very well. Akron's become a graveyard for many of them and they've had very little impact. Many of them were band aids that couldn't stop the bleeding.

+1

If the program is in as good of shape as people say on here, the QB position shouldn't be a problem next year or years to come.

I make a distinction between "next year" and "years to come". If the situation at QB is improving, that doesn't mean it is instantly cured. Yes, let's say that Maxwell works all spring and summer and by fall he is playing like Big Ben, and that in the next three years he never gets hurt. Then, yes, there is no need for transfers. Let's say that Rourke comes in and he's the next Johnny Manziel (at the college level), and again, he never gets hurt. Again, we don't need a transfer. The same goes for Keszei, or if Duckworth suddenly surges to the top.

It doesn't always work that way, however. More than likely Keszei will redshirt next year. It's possible that Duckworth will never gel into starter material. That gets you down to two quarterbacks competing for the starting job, Maxwell and Rourke, both of which may need another year of development time, or both of which might get hurt.

I, for one, like to see at least 3 quarterbacks in the running for the starting job, just in case. If a transfer is added this year, that gives you 3 players, Maxwell, Rourke, and the transfer. Then the following year you have Maxwell, Rourke, and Keszei. If they keep adding quality recruits, and the players they have keep developing, then the situation MAY be fine for many "years to come". As for "next year", I personally feel like a little extra depth will be a good thing.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 10:02 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I'm not understanding all of these hopes and wishes for all these transfers to come to Ohio. Are people wanting Ohio to knock Akron of its perch? First people dig at Akron for all of their transfers, then hope for them themselves? Speaking of which, how have all of those transfers panned out for Akron in recent years anyway? Not very well. Akron's become a graveyard for many of them and they've had very little impact. Many of them were band aids that couldn't stop the bleeding.

+1

If the program is in as good of shape as people say on here, the QB position shouldn't be a problem next year or years to come.

I make a distinction between "next year" and "years to come". If the situation at QB is improving, that doesn't mean it is instantly cured. Yes, let's say that Maxwell works all spring and summer and by fall he is playing like Big Ben, and that in the next three years he never gets hurt. Then, yes, there is no need for transfers. Let's say that Rourke comes in and he's the next Johnny Manziel (at the college level), and again, he never gets hurt. Again, we don't need a transfer. The same goes for Keszei, or if Duckworth suddenly surges to the top.

It doesn't always work that way, however. More than likely Keszei will redshirt next year. It's possible that Duckworth will never gel into starter material. That gets you down to two quarterbacks competing for the starting job, Maxwell and Rourke, both of which may need another year of development time, or both of which might get hurt.

I, for one, like to see at least 3 quarterbacks in the running for the starting job, just in case. If a transfer is added this year, that gives you 3 players, Maxwell, Rourke, and the transfer. Then the following year you have Maxwell, Rourke, and Keszei. If they keep adding quality recruits, and the players they have keep developing, then the situation MAY be fine for many "years to come". As for "next year", I personally feel like a little extra depth will be a good thing.

+1
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Posted: 1/3/2017 11:52 AM
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I'm not understanding all of these hopes and wishes for all these transfers to come to Ohio. Are people wanting Ohio to knock Akron of its perch? First people dig at Akron for all of their transfers, then hope for them themselves? Speaking of which, how have all of those transfers panned out for Akron in recent years anyway? Not very well. Akron's become a graveyard for many of them and they've had very little impact. Many of them were band aids that couldn't stop the bleeding.
We also have a higher number of JUCO's this year than normal.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 12:20 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
We also have a higher number of JUCO's this year than normal.

JUCOs and transfers by year, 2006-present:
2006 - Juco: Goff, Nwokocha; Xfers: Bower, Hinton
2007 - Juco: Scott, Ejike; Xfers: Braunstein, Mooney, Carter, Flintall, Olyaie
2008 - Juco: Dawson, Jackson, Tafua, Moncrief; Xfers: Goulet
2009 - Juco: Pinder, D. Brown; xfers: Bates, Gross
2010 - Juco: Leftwich, Leftwich, Morales, Ashley(no show) Xfer: Prior
2011 - Juco: Knight, Spivey, Denton; xfers; Blankenship, Roback
2012 - Juco: Edmond, Wells, Branz, Waters; Xfers: K Smith
2013 - Juco: Tautuaiki, McLeod; Xfers: Asher, Talbert
2014 - Juco: Layton, Boland, Bonnstetter; xfers: C. Wilson, Bradley
2015 - Juco: Robbins, Anderson, Cooper xfers: Heitzman, Krizancic
2016 - Juco: Miller; xfers: Strobel, Houchins
2017 - Juco: Newton, Haas, Rourke; xfers: ?????

The average is 2.7 Jucos and 2 transfers.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 12:51 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
We also have a higher number of JUCO's this year than normal.

JUCOs and transfers by year, 2006-present:
2006 - Juco: Goff, Nwokocha; Xfers: Bower, Hinton
2007 - Juco: Scott, Ejike; Xfers: Braunstein, Mooney, Carter, Flintall, Olyaie
2008 - Juco: Dawson, Jackson, Tafua, Moncrief; Xfers: Goulet
2009 - Juco: Pinder, D. Brown; xfers: Bates, Gross
2010 - Juco: Leftwich, Leftwich, Morales, Ashley(no show) Xfer: Prior
2011 - Juco: Knight, Spivey, Denton; xfers; Blankenship, Roback
2012 - Juco: Edmond, Wells, Branz, Waters; Xfers: K Smith
2013 - Juco: Tautuaiki, McLeod; Xfers: Asher, Talbert
2014 - Juco: Layton, Boland, Bonnstetter; xfers: C. Wilson, Bradley
2015 - Juco: Robbins, Anderson, Cooper xfers: Heitzman, Krizancic
2016 - Juco: Miller; xfers: Strobel, Houchins
2017 - Juco: Newton, Haas, Rourke; xfers: ?????

The average is 2.7 Jucos and 2 transfers.
this year isnt over ;-)
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Posted: 1/3/2017 1:05 PM
Nope, it's not, and I have no idea what to expect the rest of the way. I wasn't saying your statement was wrong, by the way. Even the 3 that are already known is more than average. I was just giving some context for the whole "Juco/xfer" discussion.
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