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89Cat

12/29/2016 11:41 PM

If you want to have a g5 playoff, why don't the group of 5 conferences just join the FCS. The FCS is still Division One and wouldn't change basketball. There are 125 schools in the FCS. Add the 60 some G5 schools to FCS making it 185. We would have a better chance at winning a Nat'l Championship.

With that all being said, I still prefer the current system. Let's just reduce the number of bowls. Right now it's a little like everybody gets a trophy.

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bshot44

12/30/2016 3:03 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more

I think a separate G5 playoff is a great idea. NIU's AD is exactly right-AINT NO WAY A G5 TEAM CAN WIN THE CFP! Not gonna happen-that ship has long since sailed.

And what "serious" money would Ohio stand to lose if there were a G5 play-off? None. As we've discussed at great length, the vast majority of Ohio's athletic budget comes from student fees. If there's "serious" money that the G5 are currently getting, it sure hasn't trickled to Ohio.

$18M not serious money for the MAC?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Playoff

"The average revenue to the new system over 12 years is to be about $500 million per year. After $125–150 million in expenses, the Power Five conferences split about 71.5 percent of the remaining money, for an approximate average payout of $250 million a year ($50 million per league) over the life of the contract. The "Group of Five" conferences split 27 percent, about $90 million a year ($18 million per league)."

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Monroe Slavin

12/30/2016 3:09 AM

Congress should pass a law banning all D1 football playoffs and let the bowl games resume their previous prominence as the final games of the year.

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Alan Swank

12/30/2016 9:31 AM

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I favor the idea and always have. I also like the idea of including the top several conferences in FCS. Those opposed still are following the pipe dream that somehow we can compete with the Alabama and Southern Cals.

We won't lose out on money in the long run. This sham house of cards run by ESPN is doomed to eventual collapse anyway.

Agree 100% Jeff. At the end of the day you have to ask this simple question - if we keep things the way they currently are, what end of season championship are we playing for? In my mine the answer is none.

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colobobcat66

12/30/2016 10:02 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more

Congress should pass a law banning all D1 football playoffs and let the bowl games resume their previous prominence as the final games of the year.

I'm surprised that you didn't propose that every team makes the same amount of money.

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giacomo

12/30/2016 11:18 AM

I completely agree with the assessment of Bshot. It would be the equivalent of the junior varsity. It is similar to the CIT and such in basketball.

Last Edited: 12/30/2016 11:19:48 AM by giacomo

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GoCats105

12/30/2016 11:21 AM

giacomo wrote:expand_more

I completely agree with the assessment of Bshot. It would be the equivalent of the junior varsity. It is similar to the CIT and such in basketball.

How would these be any different from the lower tier bowl games that all of us complain about? I'm all ears.

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Alan Swank

12/30/2016 11:42 AM

giacomo wrote:expand_more

I completely agree with the assessment of Bshot. It would be the equivalent of the junior varsity. It is similar to the CIT and such in basketball.

I very much doubt that the players and fans of 1 AA teams consider themselves junior varsity. Right now we are playing for nothing. Western went 13 and 0 and isn't even invited to the tournament.

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ou79

12/30/2016 12:06 PM

As I pointed out earlier, give this system a couple more years and it will fall apart or be changed. What teams and leagues will begin to realize is that they have about as much chance of ever getting into the CFP as the average G5 team. They too will never have a chance. In 3 years the Big 12 has had one team make the dance, Oklahoma in 2015. The PAC 12 has only had two teams, Oregon (2014) and Washington (2016). For that matter, the SEC has had the same team for all three years, Alabama. This year there was a discussion about putting two teams from the B1G into the CFP. If this continues over the next few years P5 teams and conferences are going to wake up to the fact that they too are getting hosed in this system. By staying at the table, the G5 will still have to be addressed when changes come. Look, I think the system as it currently is stinks, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

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Pataskala

12/30/2016 12:19 PM

The problem with a playoff is whatever number of teams you come up with and however they're chosen, some "deserving" team is going to be left out. It happens with the b-ball tourney, it happens with the CFP, and until recently it happened with the bowls. Here's a scenario based on this season, using regular season and conference championship records:

Just about everyone agrees that the five conference champs should be in. This year, they were: WMU (13-0), Temps (10-3), WKU (10-3), SDSU (10-3), App St (9-3) [co-champ with Ark St, but had a better overall record].

If there was an eight-team playoff, using the Sagarin ratings the next three would be: Tulsa (9-3), USF (10-2), BYU (8-4).

But arguably other teams would be just as deserving as BYU, so let's up it to 16. The next eight in the Sagarin ratings are: Houston (9-3), Memphis (8-4), Boise (10-2), Toledo (9-3), Navy (9-4), AFA (9-3), Colo St (6-6), Ark St (7-5)

So now there are teams with 7-5 and 6-6 records. Arguably, the following teams would be just as deserving, but still left out: ODU (9-3), MTSU (8-4), LaTech (8-5) – beat Navy in the Armed Forces Bowl, Ohio (8-5) - beat Toledo in the regular season, EMU (7-5), NMex (8-4), Wyoming (8-5) – won their division over Boise, AFA & Colo St, Troy (9-3), Idaho (8-4) - beat Colo St in the Tater Bowl.

Can of worms.

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Monroe Slavin

12/30/2016 12:55 PM

colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more

Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more

Congress should pass a law banning all D1 football playoffs and let the bowl games resume their previous prominence as the final games of the year.

I'm surprised that you didn't propose that every team makes the same amount of money.

My over-riding view is that I could really care less about all this, other than that I want OHIO to honorably win as much as possible and be appropriately rewarded in attention and with a fair (or more than fair!) share of the bowl or playoff money.

That said, the playoff system and FOLLOW THE MONEY MONEY MONEY means that the bigs will do all they can to not share the $$$$$$$$$$.

Therefore, I'm for no playoff system as it's inherently built for the bigs and their money grab.

OHIO RULES.

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Monroe Slavin

12/30/2016 12:56 PM

OHIO, OHIO AND OHIO.

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giacomo

12/30/2016 2:15 PM

With only 4 teams having the chance to win the national championship in football, MAC schools have a much of a chance as Indiana, Northwestern, Rutgers, et. al. A smidgen lower, as it is possible for Rutgers to win the Big 10. But didn't Penn State win the Big 10 this year? Dropping down doesn't make sense to me.

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Alan Swank

12/30/2016 2:25 PM

giacomo wrote:expand_more

Go back to your playing days for a moment. Goal number one I would assume was winning the MAC and qualifying for the NCAA tournament. Having done that, of course you and your teammates and fans knew it was an uphill battle to win it all but at least you had a chance - you were in the tournament, you had a seat at the table. With this current system you can't even be in the tournament - you get to have Thanksgiving dinner but you have to sit at the little kids table in the other room and please, don't make to much noise at the risk of disturbing your elders. So go join the game at another table so that you have a chance to rake the table and go home the champion.

Last Edited: 12/30/2016 2:27:00 PM by Alan Swank

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ou79

12/30/2016 3:33 PM

No offense but Ohio has never been in the discussion for a national championship other than the College Division NC we were awarded in 1960. Secondly, I know people involved in some very good FCS/1-AA programs and they will be the first to tell you the rest of the college football world treats them like the junior varsity. Finally, once we cut ties with the FBS/1-A world look for a rippling effect to occur next in basketball. Further, the money seriously dries up once you leave FBS/1-A.

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giacomo

12/30/2016 4:01 PM

Alan, when I played we all knew the reality of our situation. Yet, we had some pride and satisfaction that we were in the same league, Division I. I knew the difference between the ACC, Big 10 and the MAC. Back then Akron and YSU were Division II. They recruited me but I thought it was a step down and ripped up their letters. I completely agree with OU79. If the sword falls in football, it's just a matter of time for hoops.

Alan, I seem to recall a dubious men's magazine one could purchase at the Campus Sundry called "Swank". Is that how you got your start?

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bobcatsquared

12/30/2016 5:00 PM

giacomo wrote:expand_more

Alan, I seem to recall a dubious men's magazine one could purchase at the Campus Sundry called "Swank". Is that how you got your start?

I always thought Alan was named after that 1970s Athens hipster bar, Swanky's.

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Joe McKinley

12/30/2016 5:26 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more

giacomo wrote:expand_more

Alan, I seem to recall a dubious men's magazine one could purchase at the Campus Sundry called "Swank". Is that how you got your start?

I always thought Alan was named after that 1970s Athens hipster bar, Swanky's.

He may have been named after the inimitable Swanky's operated by Ivan Faske, but that was no hipster bar. It had an eclectic, diverse crowd. Also a bit edgy most nights.

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jcbournes

12/30/2016 6:19 PM

This is probably wishful thinking, but they could just expand to 6 team playoff. Conference champs should count, so only allow the champs from each of the P5. Give 6th slot to top ranked G5. Top two ranked P5 teams get a bye, which would help with teams playing too many games. Eventually you could expand to 8 teams, just add the two top ranked teams that were not P5 conference champs.

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perimeterpost

12/30/2016 7:58 PM

here's my solution-

- 10 conferences equals 10 conference champs.
- 10 conference champs ranked 1-10.
- champs 7-10 play a play-in game (7vs10, 8vs9).
- winners of play-in round join top 6 champs for 8 team playoff.

problem solved.

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OUPride

12/31/2016 1:01 PM

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Yes....the system is broke. 1000% correct. The only way to break it is to beat them at their own game....and it won't be easy. Houston had the right blueprint this year....play Oklahoma, Louisville and Cincinnati. If UH had gone undefeated with that schedule they would have been knocking on the door. Would they have gotten in? Not sure. We'll never know for sure. But they would have at least been in the conversation.

But the issue with Houston was that it wasn't just one season. It was a two year process. To put themselves in that position, they had to have the momentum from 2015 with beating a P5 school in the access bowl and coming into the season highly ranked. Then they had to have lucked into setting up a strong OOC schedule years before and have it in place. So it's really a two-year process with some luck thrown in: having OU and Louisville in place for 2016 and 2015 having been Herman's first year as coach so he didn't bail on them after 2015.

Now, if Herman had stayed and built on that two year run???? But that's not going to happen. Almost every G5 coach is going to take the P5 payoff at that point. So my point is that Houston did have a shot this year, but that confluence of factors that gave them it might happen once every 10 years for one G5 school. Is that enough to turn down a guaranteed G5 playoff every year?

As for the AAC's P6 fantasy, they're utterly delusional if they think the P5 is going to elevate them to equals.

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Monroe Slavin

12/31/2016 2:22 PM

Herman and guys similar (Fleck, etc)....See it takes a certain spirit or charisma or drive...some force of some nature which is pretty much evident almost immediately, certainly within three years.

Sorry, but to think that's going to appear at OHIO after 12 years is delusional.

For instance, one coach started out 2-10, 3-9, 0-6 then won six in a row, though ending by losing a bowl game. That could be an indicator or this coach starting a run.

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OhioStunter

1/2/2017 10:57 AM

perimeterpost wrote:expand_more

I like it. It also means that #3 Ohio State wouldn't be in this new playoff scenario at all.