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Posted: 1/3/2017 6:21 PM
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New angle. Fleck to Minnesota as they fired their coach over his "unhelpful" remarks about the player boycott. FootballScoop says not going to happen for what that's worth.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 6:32 PM
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Man. Brutal situation for him. I don't think he should have been fired. Administrations already seem to think coaches have 100% control of their players. But, his players sure were not Boy Scouts.
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Program needs a cultural change. Fleck fits that bill.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 6:42 PM
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Chip Kelly to Minnesota?

If he wants to be a head coach next season this might be his only shot.
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Posted: 1/3/2017 7:18 PM
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Man. Brutal situation for him. I don't think he should have been fired. Administrations already seem to think coaches have 100% control of their players. But, his players sure were not Boy Scouts.

I don't think that was the reason. I think it was because he took the side of the players vs. the administration in that situation. I could see Fleck doing the same thing. Chip Kelley is interesting. Two former SF 49ers head coaches going at it in the Big Ten?
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This seems plausible to me. RTB in the Land of 10,000 lakes? Hmmmm...
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Posted: 1/4/2017 7:39 AM
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I doubt Minnesota would want to go the MAC route again (Kill). Chip Kelly would really shake things up in that division.
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Posted: 1/4/2017 8:07 AM
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Kill did a pretty damn good job for them before his health issues overwhelmed him.
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Posted: 1/4/2017 9:13 AM
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PJ and Claeys were on the NIU staff together for two or three years under Kill and I imagine are friends. I don't think this is a fit.
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Man. Brutal situation for him. I don't think he should have been fired. Administrations already seem to think coaches have 100% control of their players. But, his players sure were not Boy Scouts.

I don't think that was the reason. I think it was because he took the side of the players vs. the administration in that situation. I could see Fleck doing the same thing. Chip Kelley is interesting. Two former SF 49ers head coaches going at it in the Big Ten?
It was plain and simple - in some people's minds he came down on the wrong side of sexual harassment. That will cost you your job everyday.
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Minnesota is a mess. If anyone takes that job, they better acknowledge the AD and University President that hired them will be gone in about 2 years. I'll save ya the guesswork, essentially he'll be auditioning for the new AD with maybe one year before they want to bring in their chosen guy. It gets annoying to say the least.
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Man. Brutal situation for him. I don't think he should have been fired. Administrations already seem to think coaches have 100% control of their players. But, his players sure were not Boy Scouts.

I don't think that was the reason. I think it was because he took the side of the players vs. the administration in that situation. I could see Fleck doing the same thing. Chip Kelley is interesting. Two former SF 49ers head coaches going at it in the Big Ten?
It was plain and simple - in some people's minds he came down on the wrong side of sexual harassment. That will cost you your job everyday.
Well it's either side with your players and keep their trust or not side with them at all, lose the faith of the locker room, and then get fired because the players mutiny against you which make you look worse and ultimately get fired within the next year or two or heck, even be asked to resign right on the spot because you "lost the locker room." That coach was put in a no-win situation and would love to see someone else handle that situation differently. I say it like this, if you knew your employee was innocent and had a situation occur, would you side with him or sell him out?
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Man. Brutal situation for him. I don't think he should have been fired. Administrations already seem to think coaches have 100% control of their players. But, his players sure were not Boy Scouts.

I don't think that was the reason. I think it was because he took the side of the players vs. the administration in that situation. I could see Fleck doing the same thing. Chip Kelley is interesting. Two former SF 49ers head coaches going at it in the Big Ten?
It was plain and simple - in some people's minds he came down on the wrong side of sexual harassment. That will cost you your job everyday.
Well, this is definitely true. And, hard to disagree with. The more I think about it the more I like that the Minnesota President basically told the players that their behavior was deplorable and unacceptable regardless of whether charges were filed.
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Man. Brutal situation for him. I don't think he should have been fired. Administrations already seem to think coaches have 100% control of their players. But, his players sure were not Boy Scouts.

I don't think that was the reason. I think it was because he took the side of the players vs. the administration in that situation. I could see Fleck doing the same thing. Chip Kelley is interesting. Two former SF 49ers head coaches going at it in the Big Ten?
It was plain and simple - in some people's minds he came down on the wrong side of sexual harassment. That will cost you your job everyday.
Sexual assault would be a better description, based on the University's report and the allegations
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Man. Brutal situation for him. I don't think he should have been fired. Administrations already seem to think coaches have 100% control of their players. But, his players sure were not Boy Scouts.

I don't think that was the reason. I think it was because he took the side of the players vs. the administration in that situation. I could see Fleck doing the same thing. Chip Kelley is interesting. Two former SF 49ers head coaches going at it in the Big Ten?
It was plain and simple - in some people's minds he came down on the wrong side of sexual harassment. That will cost you your job everyday.
Sexual assault would be a better description, based on the University's report and the allegations
True.
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Posted: 1/4/2017 11:31 AM
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Kill did a pretty damn good job for them before his health issues overwhelmed him.
+1 and for someone to suggest otherwise has paid little to no attention.
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Kill did a pretty damn good job for them before his health issues overwhelmed him.
+1 and for someone to suggest otherwise has paid little to no attention.
I liked what Kill did there I just think it's rare a school goes back to the same well again for coaching talent. And as someone else mentioned Fleck and Claeys are connected.
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Yep
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Posted: 1/5/2017 10:22 PM
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Local TV reporting Fleck to Minnesota - 6 years, $21M.
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Local TV reporting Fleck to Minnesota - 6 years, $21M.

Good luck to him. I really thought he'd get a better job than that. Minnesota was a power a hundred years ago, but has been pretty irrelevant for the last 50. I think Fleck can win there, however, and the West of the B1G is pretty wide open right now. Wisconsin is the power, followed by Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, and Northwestern, with the order varying by year, and then Illinois and Purdue bringing up the rear.
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If Broncos "Row the Boat," Golden Gophers will .....?
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There's 10,000 lakes to row his boat in. Good luck to PJ.
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Local TV reporting Fleck to Minnesota - 6 years, $21M.

Good luck to him. I really thought he'd get a better job than that. Minnesota was a power a hundred years ago, but has been pretty irrelevant for the last 50. I think Fleck can win there, however, and the West of the B1G is pretty wide open right now. Wisconsin is the power, followed by Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, and Northwestern, with the order varying by year, and then Illinois and Purdue bringing up the rear.
I'm thinking that this could be a good stepping stone for PJ. If he does well there, he could get a really good job next.

This guy is 36 or so, he has a bright future if he doesn't flame out. Just think how many games he could win as a head coach if he can keep up his entusiasm. He is one heck of a motivator and his recruiting prowess is off the chart. It will be interesting to see if he can keep that up at the next level. I think he will.
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Local TV reporting Fleck to Minnesota - 6 years, $21M.

Good luck to him. I really thought he'd get a better job than that. Minnesota was a power a hundred years ago, but has been pretty irrelevant for the last 50. I think Fleck can win there, however, and the West of the B1G is pretty wide open right now. Wisconsin is the power, followed by Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, and Northwestern, with the order varying by year, and then Illinois and Purdue bringing up the rear.
I'm thinking that this could be a good stepping stone for PJ. If he does well there, he could get a really good job next.

This guy is 36 or so, he has a bright future if he doesn't flame out. Just think how many games he could win as a head coach if he can keep up his entusiasm. He is one heck of a motivator and his recruiting prowess is off the chart. It will be interesting to see if he can keep that up at the next level. I think he will.

He took the wrong job, he won't be able to get the kids he needs to win the B1G
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
I'm thinking that this could be a good stepping stone for PJ. If he does well there, he could get a really good job next.

This guy is 36 or so, he has a bright future if he doesn't flame out. Just think how many games he could win as a head coach if he can keep up his entusiasm. He is one heck of a motivator and his recruiting prowess is off the chart. It will be interesting to see if he can keep that up at the next level. I think he will.

It's always possible, but I think the only person that ever coached there and moved on was Lou Holtz, who put in two years there.
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