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OU_Country
1/3/2017 1:23 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Similarly, just because parents don't post much anymore, it isn't reasonable to believe that they aren't aware of what is said here. That's why I oppose getting excessively negative when calling out individual players. I've always believed that a good rule is to never say anything about a player that you wouldn't say to that player's face, or to their parents, because you most likely are saying it to them when you post it here. That's one place where I think this board is still way better than most sports boards. There rarely if ever are personal attacks on specific players.

Ideally, this is advice we should all follow when replying to others comments on here (or anywhere else) as well. I don't succeed every time, but I attempt to approach online commentary or conversations from the thought of "would I say it to a person's face?" before I click "submit" or "send" on the screen.
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OhioCatFan
1/3/2017 1:26 PM
I know for a fact that several parents of current players read this site regularly. Some of them post rarely; most don't post at all.

At least we don't post the kinds of things they do on some OSU boards. There was one post this week saying that their FG kicker purposely missed those FG tries early in the game and that he was "on the take." There was an f-bomb laced tweet from an OSU medical student that wished he would get cancer. I've never seen anything remotely resembling that on BA that I can recall.
Last Edited: 1/3/2017 1:27:17 PM by OhioCatFan
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GoCats105
1/3/2017 1:33 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's a reason we're all here...we all have a love for that place down in Athens.
Jackie O's ? :-)
I mean that's one of them. :)
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bshot44
1/3/2017 1:35 PM
Yup. That Trey Wiseman email to Tyler Durbin was a total joke. If you haven't seen it...

https://www.landof10.com/ohio-state/ohio-state-fan-email-...
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OU_Country
1/3/2017 1:36 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I know for a fact that several parents of current players read this site regularly. Some of them post rarely; most don't post at all.

At least we don't post the kinds of things they do on some OSU boards. There was one post this week saying that their FG kicker purposely missed those FG tries early in the game and that he was "on the take." There was an f-bomb laced tweet from an OSU medical student that wished he would get cancer. I've never seen anything remotely resembling that on BA that I can recall.

I'm glad that kind of nonsense isn't on here.
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Alan Swank
1/3/2017 2:05 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
How many of you would like to continually get criticized at your place of work? I know I wouldn't appreciate the daily criticism at my place of work. Many of you "so called Bobcat fans" constantly criticize or look to badger our coaches, athletes or staff every chance you get. Some of you are currently receiving a paycheck from this university, or have been employed as a Bobcat at one time in your career or have family members that have worked on campus. Why would you bite the hand that feeds you? It sickens me to see the constant criticism on this message board. The next time you think about criticizing a coach, administrator, player or staff member of Ohio University, remember to look in the mirror and put yourself in there place. Ask yourself, would I want to be treated like this?
This is a very interesting post especially as a first post. Here's my question - do you think if posters used their real names that the posts would change or would the board just die? From a quick review of this thread only 3 or 4 of the posters are identifiable by name. Just curious as to your thoughts.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
1/3/2017 2:33 PM
Players deserve a buffer on criticism based on play. When it comes to any legal issues or their behavior while representing the university, I think that's fair game. I believe team-wide or unit-specific criticisms are fair in football. In basketball, it's harder not to be more specific with criticisms, given there are only five guys on the floor at at time.

The coaches are completely open to job-performance critiques and criticisms. Especially the head coach. I think it's okay to call for the job of a public employee who makes hundreds of thousands of dollars. Assistant coaches a little less so. The head coach is responsible for his staff.
Last Edited: 1/3/2017 2:33:43 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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rpbobcat
1/3/2017 2:42 PM
When I joined BA in 2006 they asked for a "screen name" or something like that.

I never even knew you could use your own name.

No question anonymity can make a person "braver".
NJ.com has a "page" for every town in the state.
Virtually all the comments are negative,which is fine.
But,the some of the comments are downright libelous.

There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names.
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ShoreCat
1/3/2017 2:44 PM
I've also seen very few attacks on specific players. I also think that comments that can be construed as negative are also done with passion for the university and the desire to have an elite athletic program. Each poster's level of expectation for the program drive the tone of their comments. While I've doubted if our current football staff can get the Bobcats to an elite level, I will be forever grateful to Coach Solich for bringing respect and credibility to the program, which was severely lacking when I attended school in the early 90's. I would hope that any recruit and/or parent of a recruit who reads this board keeps that in mind.

My fiancé has commented on more than 1 occasion that every person that she has ever met who attended OU has a level of passion and love for their school that exceeds people that attended other schools. My response is usually, "It's a Bobcat thing, you wouldn't understand". Despite comments that are made that can be interpreted as negative, I think we all agree that we have a love and passion for Ohio University that goes far beyond sports.
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Alan Swank
1/3/2017 2:49 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names.
Sooooo, what exactly does that mean? That they are bullies because they can hide behind a handle? That they're "chicken" to stand up for what they type? That they're afraid what others might think of them? I'm not saying that they are but it does raise an interesting question. Again, this is all in relation to the original post on this thread.
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bshot44
1/3/2017 3:01 PM
BayCat wrote:expand_more
Despite comments that are made that can be interpreted as negative, I think we all agree that we have a love and passion for Ohio University that goes far beyond sports.
Yessir. Agree 100%
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
1/3/2017 3:04 PM
Fans, players and parents all have different perspectives and mindsets and goals.

Fans are here for entertainment and connection. Parents are here to protect their child. Players are here to further themselves and the program.

Those are not shared goals. The latter two groups think the first group should do anything and everything to reach their goals and protect their child. The fans think the latter two groups exist like action figures merely for the first group's entertainment.

Have I mentioned I think the college sports system is broken?
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Robert Fox
1/3/2017 3:36 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names.
Sooooo, what exactly does that mean? That they are bullies because they can hide behind a handle? That they're "chicken" to stand up for what they type? That they're afraid what others might think of them? I'm not saying that they are but it does raise an interesting question. Again, this is all in relation to the original post on this thread.
I'd say you know the answer to those questions. I think the big difference in tone on this site is based upon the perception of the poster about who's reading. Some treat this site like it's a very small group of mostly the same people, day after day--a little fraternity of bitching. Others treat this site like it's a truly public forum. Like anybody and everybody can and does read it.
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rpbobcat
1/3/2017 3:43 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names.
Sooooo, what exactly does that mean? That they are bullies because they can hide behind a handle? That they're "chicken" to stand up for what they type? That they're afraid what others might think of them? I'm not saying that they are but it does raise an interesting question. Again, this is all in relation to the original post on this thread.
Alan,so there's no confusion,the comment you quoted dealt with NJ.com,not BA.
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Alan Swank
1/3/2017 4:32 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names.
Sooooo, what exactly does that mean? That they are bullies because they can hide behind a handle? That they're "chicken" to stand up for what they type? That they're afraid what others might think of them? I'm not saying that they are but it does raise an interesting question. Again, this is all in relation to the original post on this thread.
Alan,so there's no confusion,the comment you quoted dealt with NJ.com,not BA.
Thanks rp so I'll post the same question to you about this site. Do you think people would post what they do if they had to use their real names?
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Alan Swank
1/3/2017 4:33 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names.
Sooooo, what exactly does that mean? That they are bullies because they can hide behind a handle? That they're "chicken" to stand up for what they type? That they're afraid what others might think of them? I'm not saying that they are but it does raise an interesting question. Again, this is all in relation to the original post on this thread.
I'd say you know the answer to those questions. I think the big difference in tone on this site is based upon the perception of the poster about who's reading. Some treat this site like it's a very small group of mostly the same people, day after day--a little fraternity of bitching. Others treat this site like it's a truly public forum. Like anybody and everybody can and does read it.
And there are others that treat it as both - the modern day corner bar where we all have our regular seats and everyone knows what the other guy drinks and the corner soap box where the whole world passes by everyday, or so we think.
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Robert Fox
1/3/2017 4:47 PM
A bar is probably a good analogy, as I'd say alcohol has definitely impacted the conversation at times.
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Bobcat1996
1/3/2017 4:57 PM
"There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names."

It is possible many who post don't want to use their real names because they are employed by the university, have a family member or a close friend that works at Ohio University. If people are posting negative remarks it makes it easier to not use their real name.
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giacomo
1/3/2017 5:00 PM
oucs 1986 wrote:expand_more
... I really don't think this board has one tenth as bad as most sports board. Just my two cents worth.

At one time it was quite different, and better, than other sports boards. Now it's about the same as others.
I would agree with this.

I think it comes from "expectations".

I have none, so I stay pretty happy.

Peace,
-john
I like this and I agree. I look at the games like going to the theater or a movie. I want to be entertained and the outcome will be a surprise. Therefore I'm happy. I'm proud when we win and when we lose.
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Alan Swank
1/3/2017 5:23 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
"There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names."

It is possible many who post don't want to use their real names because they are employed by the university, have a family member or a close friend that works at Ohio University. If people are posting negative remarks it makes it easier to not use their real name.
I think what you have confused here is negative and critical or have we come to the place that any critical remark about anything is automatically considered negative? I sure hope not.
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Mike Johnson
1/3/2017 6:12 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
"There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names."

It is possible many who post don't want to use their real names because they are employed by the university, have a family member or a close friend that works at Ohio University. If people are posting negative remarks it makes it easier to not use their real name.
I think what you have confused here is negative and critical or have we come to the place that any critical remark about anything is automatically considered negative? I sure hope not.
As you know, Alan, Ted, Ryan, Mike C and Jeff provided a popular service when they launched BA. If they were going to start over and asked to use me as a sounding board for policy, I would recommend requiring posters to use real names.

Clearly not all posters who use screen names are bullies or hyper-critical. But to me there is no question that a requirement to use real names would elevate the overall level of civility. Of course, the "down side" of such a requirement would mean lessening the number of posters and the site's entertainment value.
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BuddyLee
1/3/2017 6:57 PM
I'd much rather have our board with healthy discussion and engaged fans rather than half the other mac boards that don't seem to care at all. I would like to see you trystarting a new message board that only allows positive posts all the time. I highly doubt anybody would be interested, and it would basically be ohiobobcats.com.

Whats the point if we can't discuss things even if people disagree or aren't positive all the time. Ted has rules in place to protect personal attacks and false rumors or accusations, so to me everything else is fair game especially if you come with a well thought out post.
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rpbobcat
1/3/2017 7:25 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
There's no way people would post what they do if they had to use their real names.
Sooooo, what exactly does that mean? That they are bullies because they can hide behind a handle? That they're "chicken" to stand up for what they type? That they're afraid what others might think of them? I'm not saying that they are but it does raise an interesting question. Again, this is all in relation to the original post on this thread.
Alan,so there's no confusion,the comment you quoted dealt with NJ.com,not BA.
Thanks rp so I'll post the same question to you about this site. Do you think people would post what they do if they had to use their real names?

Alan, I would think so,except for some of the personal attacks.

I don't have an issue with having my real name on anything I've posted here.

My concern is that posting with your real name lets anyone who visits this site being ale to find out a lot of information about posters.

Personally, I like the fact that I control who knows "me".

I do use my real name whenever I PM anyone on BA.
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Monroe Slavin
1/3/2017 9:08 PM
Good points here.

I respect more those who post with their real name evident.

The paid members of the program (coaches and such) are pretty much fair game for critique. It comes with the salary. From a legal point of, aren't they public figures?

Likewise, it could be argued that with acceptance of being on the team..well, at least acceptance of a scholarship...there should come realization that there will be some critique of public, on the field performance.

That said, I see little direct critique of players at all. Certainly very little personal criticism.

That recruits or players or staff or anyone else may visit this site is absolutely no reason for anyone to curb their thoughts here so long as they are expressed within the norm here, which, while spirited, is pretty much okay...and fun!



From a personal point of view, which many won't share apparently, I'm amazed at the factual, specific analysis--especially as it is consistent with the big picture won/loss record over the years-- that many put up (yes, mostly those who don't favor so much the current staff) but that is not recognized as sensible.

Blatant truths disregarded in a Trump way. (I'm sure all of us are ceasing online usage, for its susceptibility for hacking, and delivering all the good stuff by messenger!)
But I guess that's part of the fun.
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BillyTheCat
1/4/2017 11:27 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I know for a fact that several parents of current players read this site regularly. Some of them post rarely; most don't post at all.

At least we don't post the kinds of things they do on some OSU boards. There was one post this week saying that their FG kicker purposely missed those FG tries early in the game and that he was "on the take." There was an f-bomb laced tweet from an OSU medical student that wished he would get cancer. I've never seen anything remotely resembling that on BA that I can recall.

I'm glad that kind of nonsense isn't on here.
Don't think we haven't had players who have dealt with hate filled e-mails and voicemails. One reason you can not search every single students contact information on the Universities front door anymore.
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