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mid70sbobcat
2/27/2017 1:27 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Okay, so you're happy with better than Lichty and Cleve. Good for you



A bear market is a tide that sinks almost all companies. What does that have to do with the performance of a given company over 12 years.

When you have to resort to whatareyoutalkingaboutTrumplogic to support your position, it may not be the way you want to go.
No, a bear market does not sink all companies but thank you for such a good laugh. Did most companies fold in the 2008-09 recession when the market tanked? But nice try in trying to hijack YOUR point that CEO's main performance criteria is stock price. I correctly pointed out that during a recession or prolonged pullback in the market companies stock prices stagnate or decline often which means your single criteria is as off based with CEO's as with Coach Solich. CEO's have many criteria they are evaluated on as does Frank.

Yes, I'm happy with our performance these days versus Cleve & Lichty. I guess you're not. Continue believing that a MACC is what Frank is evaluated on.

I fell off the wagon by replying to you so this will be it. You can come back with whatever tangent, alternative facts or rambling you wish.
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L.C.
2/27/2017 2:04 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
... CEO's have many criteria they are evaluated on as does Frank. ....

Here is a link to Solich's contract:
http://tinyurl.com/j4gslxv

His original contract provided the following bonuses:
1. 5% of base for winning MAC East
2. 10% of base for winning MACC
3. 5% of base for having 75-85% graduation, 10% for over 85% graduation

In his 2008 contract, the bonus conditions were changed:
1. $25,000 for Top 25 ranking at the end of season
2. $10,000 for being named MAC coach of the year
3. $25,000 for being named National coach of the year
4. Bonus based on total wins:
$5,000 for 7 wins
$10,000 for 8 wins
$15,000 for 9 wins
$25,000 for 10 wins
$35,000 for 11 wins
$45,000 for 12 wins
5. An academic bonus that isn't spelled out, but presumably is based on performance of athletes in class.

If I read this correctly, he no longer gets a bonus for winning the MACC, nor for winning the MAC East. Apparently those are not his primary goals. I could be reading it wrong, however, and he may still get those bonuses, in which case it still remains true that they are not his only goals.
Last Edited: 2/27/2017 2:07:43 PM by L.C.
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Monroe Slavin
2/27/2017 7:13 PM
A bear market doesn't mean that all ...or even many...companies fold.

It does mean that almost all companies stock prices fall.



I enjoy the fact that you know these things, these things that any person with a bit of knowledge about the stock markets knows, but still feel the freedom to argue against what your common sense and experience tell you.


Keep being you. It won't result in OHIO having a satisfactory football result until MACC, however.
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mid70sbobcat
2/27/2017 7:50 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
A bear market doesn't mean that all ...or even many...companies fold.

It does mean that almost all companies stock prices fall.



I enjoy the fact that you know these things, these things that any person with a bit of knowledge about the stock markets knows, but still feel the freedom to argue against what your common sense and experience tell you.


Keep being you. It won't result in OHIO having a satisfactory football result until MACC, however.
I vowed to not reply to your drivel ...

but you stated "A bear market is a tide that sinks almost all companies".

band regarding the stock market ... I've forgotten more than you'll likely ever know. I've been a full time trader since 1996.

You, in your infinite wisdom, keep harping that a MACC is the sole criteria for excellence when everyone on this board (minus you) knows that isn't the case as Solich is evaluated on MANY factors. If you'd read (and comprehended) what LC posted you'd realize how wrong you are, and continue to be based on what Frank's key elements are.

And yes, it was YOU who tried to say a CEO is measured almost entirely by stock price performance. I'm sorry you didn't have the ability to connect a few dots ... a bear market when companies struggle is analogous to when a football team (and its coach) stumble during some period of time. And most all teams go through that.

Still wish there was an Ignore feature here to bypass your posts.
Last Edited: 2/27/2017 7:53:05 PM by mid70sbobcat
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The Optimist
2/27/2017 11:12 PM
Reading Monroe's logic makes fake news seem reasonable.
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Monroe Slavin
2/27/2017 11:49 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
A bear market doesn't mean that all ...or even many...companies fold.

It does mean that almost all companies stock prices fall.



I enjoy the fact that you know these things, these things that any person with a bit of knowledge about the stock markets knows, but still feel the freedom to argue against what your common sense and experience tell you.


Keep being you. It won't result in OHIO having a satisfactory football result until MACC, however.
I vowed to not reply to your drivel ...

but you stated "A bear market is a tide that sinks almost all companies".

band regarding the stock market ... I've forgotten more than you'll likely ever know. I've been a full time trader since 1996.

You, in your infinite wisdom, keep harping that a MACC is the sole criteria for excellence when everyone on this board (minus you) knows that isn't the case as Solich is evaluated on MANY factors. If you'd read (and comprehended) what LC posted you'd realize how wrong you are, and continue to be based on what Frank's key elements are.

And yes, it was YOU who tried to say a CEO is measured almost entirely by stock price performance. I'm sorry you didn't have the ability to connect a few dots ... a bear market when companies struggle is analogous to when a football team (and its coach) stumble during some period of time. And most all teams go through that.

Still wish there was an Ignore feature here to bypass your posts.

Okay, Great. You acknowledge yourself as an expert in the stock market.

You're not so good at logic and analogies, apparently.

A bear market affects almost every company. During a bear market, almost all companies see their stock price fall.

Contrast Solich's performance which, up or down, stands on its own, apart from that of other head coaches.

pm me and I'll explain.


If you don't think that a firm's stock price is the main criteria in a CEO maintaining his or her employment as a CEO, then, yes, you have forgotten a lot about publicly listed companies.


Try selling OHIO fandom that a MACC is not the main goal.

Try selling OHIO fandom that it's about graduation rates or new facilities or some such.


You're so far off base. And I will not let you and the other SFB get away with it, will not let you and the others ruin OHIO FOOTBALL by allowing mediocrity.


Again, it wasn't perfect, but there was a poll here about the top goal. It got about 55-60 votes (very high for a poll here) and near 70%, as I recall, said it's a MACC.

But you go on with your alternative reality.
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Monroe Slavin
2/27/2017 11:50 PM
It's getting to the point where you high-fiving me for this is not enough.

I'm going to have to start charging you.

Since you know so much about investments, you'll appreciate it as an excellent investment.
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GoCats105
2/28/2017 8:43 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
... CEO's have many criteria they are evaluated on as does Frank. ....

Here is a link to Solich's contract:
http://tinyurl.com/j4gslxv

His original contract provided the following bonuses:
1. 5% of base for winning MAC East
2. 10% of base for winning MACC
3. 5% of base for having 75-85% graduation, 10% for over 85% graduation

In his 2008 contract, the bonus conditions were changed:
1. $25,000 for Top 25 ranking at the end of season
2. $10,000 for being named MAC coach of the year
3. $25,000 for being named National coach of the year
4. Bonus based on total wins:
$5,000 for 7 wins
$10,000 for 8 wins
$15,000 for 9 wins
$25,000 for 10 wins
$35,000 for 11 wins
$45,000 for 12 wins
5. An academic bonus that isn't spelled out, but presumably is based on performance of athletes in class.

If I read this correctly, he no longer gets a bonus for winning the MACC, nor for winning the MAC East. Apparently those are not his primary goals. I could be reading it wrong, however, and he may still get those bonuses, in which case it still remains true that they are not his only goals.
Getting a $5,000 bonus for 7 wins is just...really?

And it seems hard to believe, but he's only won MAC Coach of the Year once, in 2006 before this new contract was drawn up.
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C Money
2/28/2017 11:21 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Getting a $5,000 bonus for 7 wins is just...really?
Kirk Ferentz gets, essentially, $2.75 million for each of the next 5 seasons he gets to 7 wins. But Kirk Ferentz' contract is stupid.
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GoCats105
2/28/2017 2:03 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Getting a $5,000 bonus for 7 wins is just...really?
Kirk Ferentz gets, essentially, $2.75 million for each of the next 5 seasons he gets to 7 wins. But Kirk Ferentz' contract is stupid.
Yes it is. I hope most of the money he makes go to his agent because how they swindled Iowa into that I will never know.
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L.C.
2/28/2017 2:06 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Getting a $5,000 bonus for 7 wins is just...really?

And it seems hard to believe, but he's only won MAC Coach of the Year once, in 2006 before this new contract was drawn up.

I was a bit surprised to find that he doesn't seem to get a bonus anymore for winning the MAC East, or for a MACC. Apparently those are less important goals that just generally winning, and going to bowls, at least to the University, if not to some posters.
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OhioCatFan
2/28/2017 3:13 PM
The Optimist nails it once again. Always been one of my favorite posters, but recently he's upped his game. Go OHIO!
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TheBobcatBandit
3/1/2017 7:58 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
If you don't think that a firm's stock price is the main criteria in a CEO maintaining his or her employment as a CEO, then, yes, you have forgotten a lot about publicly listed companies.
http://www.mckinsey.com/business-functions/strategy-and-c...
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OhioCatFan
3/1/2017 8:09 PM
Hmm . . . from the link . . .

"The final step in assessing a company's performance is examining its stock price performance. In an ideal world, we would need only to examine a company's stock market performance to see how well it was doing. But its performance there is anything but easy to interpret."

Could it be that this is a complicated subject that can't be assessed by looking at only one variable as the Sage of Oxnard has told us?
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Monroe Slavin
3/1/2017 11:12 PM
OCF--Would you learn logic, please.

The topic is not the stock price's performance (well, movement) or the company's performance. It's the CEO's evaluation/tenure--which is significantly based on the stock price's performance.

And if you don't think that the stock price is a key..the key..to the CEO's evaluation/tenure, allowing for overlooking non-major sins if the stock price is up and bringing firing for somewhat lesser sins if the stock price is notably down, then you are neither financially nor news/current events savvy.
Last Edited: 3/1/2017 11:13:51 PM by Monroe Slavin
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mid70sbobcat
3/2/2017 7:46 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Hmm . . . from the link . . .

"The final step in assessing a company's performance is examining its stock price performance. In an ideal world, we would need only to examine a company's stock market performance to see how well it was doing. But its performance there is anything but easy to interpret."

Could it be that this is a complicated subject that can't be assessed by looking at only one variable as the Sage of Oxnard has told us?
OCF -

Yes, CEO's are evaluated on many criteria and for anyone to suggest otherwise is merely being naive or uninformed and obviously never having held such a position or knowing anyone who did. It is "a" criteria but mixed in with many more. Same as Frank is evaluated on quite a few performance criteria but a MACC is not "the" criteria.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
3/2/2017 9:30 AM
You know, some scientists believe that corporations are different from mid-major college football.
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Casper71
3/2/2017 10:52 PM
Wow, this gets old. You can spin it anyway you want but in the last 12 years a bunch of different Mac schools have won championships. Ohio hasn't. That is not fake news and it is disappointing.
Last Edited: 3/2/2017 10:54:35 PM by Casper71
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Monroe Slavin
3/3/2017 12:02 AM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
Hmm . . . from the link . . .

"The final step in assessing a company's performance is examining its stock price performance. In an ideal world, we would need only to examine a company's stock market performance to see how well it was doing. But its performance there is anything but easy to interpret."

Could it be that this is a complicated subject that can't be assessed by looking at only one variable as the Sage of Oxnard has told us?
OCF -

Yes, CEO's are evaluated on many criteria and for anyone to suggest otherwise is merely being naive or uninformed and obviously never having held such a position or knowing anyone who did. It is "a" criteria but mixed in with many more. Same as Frank is evaluated on quite a few performance criteria but a MACC is not "the" criteria.


WRONG.


It's THE criteria in both cases.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
3/3/2017 10:06 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
Wow, this gets old. You can spin it anyway you want but in the last 12 years a bunch of different Mac schools have won championships. Ohio hasn't. That is not fake news and it is disappointing.
We're all well aware of it and we're all well aware of those on this board who think it's the only criteria for measuring our program. However, we don't need to hear it every goddamn day on every goddamn thread. If one party is fit to annoy us every single time he posts, then he should be called out for being annoying. It's way beyond who's right or who's wrong here.
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OhioCatFan
3/3/2017 11:29 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Wow, this gets old. You can spin it anyway you want but in the last 12 years a bunch of different Mac schools have won championships. Ohio hasn't. That is not fake news and it is disappointing.
We're all well aware of it and we're all well aware of those on this board who think it's the only criteria for measuring our program. However, we don't need to hear it every goddamn day on every goddamn thread. If one party is fit to annoy us every single time he posts, then he should be called out for being annoying. It's way beyond who's right or who's wrong here.
But for the record, he's wrong that it's the only criteria, and his analogy to a CEO of a publicly traded company is wrong. But don't expect him to ever admit it
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mid70sbobcat
3/3/2017 11:41 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Wow, this gets old. You can spin it anyway you want but in the last 12 years a bunch of different Mac schools have won championships. Ohio hasn't. That is not fake news and it is disappointing.
We're all well aware of it and we're all well aware of those on this board who think it's the only criteria for measuring our program. However, we don't need to hear it every goddamn day on every goddamn thread. If one party is fit to annoy us every single time he posts, then he should be called out for being annoying. It's way beyond who's right or who's wrong here.
But for the record, he's wrong that it's the only criteria, and his analogy to a CEO of a publicly traded company is wrong. But don't expect him to ever admit it
Yep, he's wrong about most things. But the best thing to do is IGNORE all his posts that are toxic. I'm trying to do just that from here on out .. ignore the nonsensical drivel.
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Monroe Slavin
3/3/2017 11:46 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Wow, this gets old. You can spin it anyway you want but in the last 12 years a bunch of different Mac schools have won championships. Ohio hasn't. That is not fake news and it is disappointing.
We're all well aware of it and we're all well aware of those on this board who think it's the only criteria for measuring our program. However, we don't need to hear it every goddamn day on every goddamn thread. If one party is fit to annoy us every single time he posts, then he should be called out for being annoying. It's way beyond who's right or who's wrong here.

That's not the point. Thank you.

The point is that small, extreme, hardcore, minority group here who don't hardly think ..really.. that a MACC is significant at all.

Sorry, it's the main goal of keeping score of games and of playing those games in the MAC.

Just not going to let distorted views of reality go unopposed.

I do this for you

out of love.
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L.C.
3/4/2017 8:25 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
...Sorry, it's the main goal of keeping score of games and of playing those games in the MAC.
...

And, Monroe, were you surprised to find that, from a reading of his contract, it's not only not his primary goal, it's not even a goal that is worth even a token bonus if achieved? Instead his primary goal, according to the contract, is to get to bowl games, i.e. to win 7+ games a year.
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PA Bobcat Fan
3/4/2017 11:18 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
...Sorry, it's the main goal of keeping score of games and of playing those games in the MAC.
...

And, Monroe, were you surprised to find that, from a reading of his contract, it's not only not his primary goal, it's not even a goal that is worth even a token bonus if achieved? Instead his primary goal, according to the contract, is to get to bowl games, i.e. to win 7+ games a year.
Please stop. The main goal of any team is to win their division and conference, period. The main goal for every coach is to put them in the position to achieve those 2 goals.
The team has no control over who or where they may play in a bowl game, but they sure as hell have control over winning their division and conference.
Btw... This article states that FS gets 10% of his base salary as a bonus for winning a MACC.
http://sports.newsday.com/long-island/data/college/colleg... /
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