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OUPride
5/9/2017 12:00 PM
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. . . It makes some people sick to see Ohio students or graduates wearing scarlet and gray. It should make them even sicker to think about them sending charitable gifts to OSU. Do you doubt that it happens? . . .
I can give you one concrete example: John Wilmer Galbreath, Ohio Class of 1922. While he gave money to OHIO for such things as the chapel that bears his first wife's name, he gave much more to OSU, and particularly to their football program. This information was given to me years ago by someone who was "in the know" about OHIO development office history. Now, his daughter, Jody Galbreath Phillips, gave proportionately much more to OHIO, and a good deal of that was to our athletic program. She also was generous to the medical school, among other academic areas.

I personally know of another OHIO graduate, my wife's pediatrician when she was growing up in Columbus, who did the same kind of thing. The man graduated about the same time as Galbreath, got his M.D. degree from Cincinnati, but coming under the influence of the Evil Empire in Columbus, he was more generous to it than to his alma mater. This gentleman even played in the OHIO marching band. He marched next to a very famous person he once told me -- Sammy Kaye.

So, L.C., you've put your finger on a real problem. And, I think your supposition is correct that in both cases what drew them to OSU was the football program. If OHIO had had a more successful football program with at least some national recognition in those years, I think it would have made a huge difference in their giving habits. That this is silly beyond belief is not in question by me, but that it's true also seems beyond reasonable argument.
I don't live in Columbus, so I really don't get the idea of Ohio alums donating to OSU. Does it happen anywhere other than Columbus? I guess I can see it occurring in the following three circumstances. First, a business owner donating whatever is the minimum threshold for purchasing season tickets if he feels that entertaining clients at OSU games is beneficial. Secondly, somebody who's life was fundamentally enhanced by the medical center, such as successful cancer treatment. Third, I guess would be an arts patron donating to the Wexner Center because it is arguably Columbus' premier cultural institution. Only the first of these would be driven by football.

I just cant' fathom an Ohio alum or alum of any other Ohio school making general donations to OSU though simply because they live in Columbus, football or no football.
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L.C.
5/9/2017 12:27 PM
I think that someone should do some actual research into this effect, rather than us simply guessing at plausible explanation. Nevertheless, here are two possible plausible explanations why football success would drive an increase in general/academic giving:
1. Success in football (or other sports) increases bonds with alumni, and then when they decide to give, they give more dollars, and more often, to the University.
2. Success in football (or other sports) causes people who did not attend a school to visit the campus regularly, and to develop an affinity with that school. When they have money to give, they give to that University because they like what they see, and think it is a worthy cause.

Note that in neither of these do they give "because of football", rather, because of football they have stronger ties to the school than they otherwise would have had, and when they give, their rationale is "because it's a worthy cause".

Both of these could be real effects, or neither. At this point it's mere speculation based on my observations of people I know, and of the easily available public data.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
5/9/2017 12:51 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
. . . It makes some people sick to see Ohio students or graduates wearing scarlet and gray. It should make them even sicker to think about them sending charitable gifts to OSU. Do you doubt that it happens? . . .
I can give you one concrete example: John Wilmer Galbreath, Ohio Class of 1922. While he gave money to OHIO for such things as the chapel that bears his first wife's name, he gave much more to OSU, and particularly to their football program. This information was given to me years ago by someone who was "in the know" about OHIO development office history. Now, his daughter, Jody Galbreath Phillips, gave proportionately much more to OHIO, and a good deal of that was to our athletic program. She also was generous to the medical school, among other academic areas.

I personally know of another OHIO graduate, my wife's pediatrician when she was growing up in Columbus, who did the same kind of thing. The man graduated about the same time as Galbreath, got his M.D. degree from Cincinnati, but coming under the influence of the Evil Empire in Columbus, he was more generous to it than to his alma mater. This gentleman even played in the OHIO marching band. He marched next to a very famous person he once told me -- Sammy Kaye.

So, L.C., you've put your finger on a real problem. And, I think your supposition is correct that in both cases what drew them to OSU was the football program. If OHIO had had a more successful football program with at least some national recognition in those years, I think it would have made a huge difference in their giving habits. That this is silly beyond belief is not in question by me, but that it's true also seems beyond reasonable argument.
I don't live in Columbus, so I really don't get the idea of Ohio alums donating to OSU. Does it happen anywhere other than Columbus? I guess I can see it occurring in the following three circumstances. First, a business owner donating whatever is the minimum threshold for purchasing season tickets if he feels that entertaining clients at OSU games is beneficial. Secondly, somebody who's life was fundamentally enhanced by the medical center, such as successful cancer treatment. Third, I guess would be an arts patron donating to the Wexner Center because it is arguably Columbus' premier cultural institution. Only the first of these would be driven by football.

I just cant' fathom an Ohio alum or alum of any other Ohio school making general donations to OSU though simply because they live in Columbus, football or no football.
This happens a lot more than you think it does. Did my time up there and even after being in Athens, I met a few in Columbus when I went up there. Lot of folks just being in Columbus and being brainwashed by them usually gets them to root for the empire.
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OUPride
5/9/2017 1:06 PM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
. . . It makes some people sick to see Ohio students or graduates wearing scarlet and gray. It should make them even sicker to think about them sending charitable gifts to OSU. Do you doubt that it happens? . . .
I can give you one concrete example: John Wilmer Galbreath, Ohio Class of 1922. While he gave money to OHIO for such things as the chapel that bears his first wife's name, he gave much more to OSU, and particularly to their football program. This information was given to me years ago by someone who was "in the know" about OHIO development office history. Now, his daughter, Jody Galbreath Phillips, gave proportionately much more to OHIO, and a good deal of that was to our athletic program. She also was generous to the medical school, among other academic areas.

I personally know of another OHIO graduate, my wife's pediatrician when she was growing up in Columbus, who did the same kind of thing. The man graduated about the same time as Galbreath, got his M.D. degree from Cincinnati, but coming under the influence of the Evil Empire in Columbus, he was more generous to it than to his alma mater. This gentleman even played in the OHIO marching band. He marched next to a very famous person he once told me -- Sammy Kaye.

So, L.C., you've put your finger on a real problem. And, I think your supposition is correct that in both cases what drew them to OSU was the football program. If OHIO had had a more successful football program with at least some national recognition in those years, I think it would have made a huge difference in their giving habits. That this is silly beyond belief is not in question by me, but that it's true also seems beyond reasonable argument.
I don't live in Columbus, so I really don't get the idea of Ohio alums donating to OSU. Does it happen anywhere other than Columbus? I guess I can see it occurring in the following three circumstances. First, a business owner donating whatever is the minimum threshold for purchasing season tickets if he feels that entertaining clients at OSU games is beneficial. Secondly, somebody who's life was fundamentally enhanced by the medical center, such as successful cancer treatment. Third, I guess would be an arts patron donating to the Wexner Center because it is arguably Columbus' premier cultural institution. Only the first of these would be driven by football.

I just cant' fathom an Ohio alum or alum of any other Ohio school making general donations to OSU though simply because they live in Columbus, football or no football.
This happens a lot more than you think it does. Did my time up there and even after being in Athens, I met a few in Columbus when I went up there. Lot of folks just being in Columbus and being brainwashed by them usually gets them to root for the empire.
Rooting is one thing. Some people are just prone to jumping on a winning bandwagon. What I don't understand is Ohio alums making, outside of a few relatively understandable exceptions, financial donations to a school they didn't attend.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
5/9/2017 4:18 PM
OUPride wrote:expand_more
. . . It makes some people sick to see Ohio students or graduates wearing scarlet and gray. It should make them even sicker to think about them sending charitable gifts to OSU. Do you doubt that it happens? . . .
I can give you one concrete example: John Wilmer Galbreath, Ohio Class of 1922. While he gave money to OHIO for such things as the chapel that bears his first wife's name, he gave much more to OSU, and particularly to their football program. This information was given to me years ago by someone who was "in the know" about OHIO development office history. Now, his daughter, Jody Galbreath Phillips, gave proportionately much more to OHIO, and a good deal of that was to our athletic program. She also was generous to the medical school, among other academic areas.

I personally know of another OHIO graduate, my wife's pediatrician when she was growing up in Columbus, who did the same kind of thing. The man graduated about the same time as Galbreath, got his M.D. degree from Cincinnati, but coming under the influence of the Evil Empire in Columbus, he was more generous to it than to his alma mater. This gentleman even played in the OHIO marching band. He marched next to a very famous person he once told me -- Sammy Kaye.

So, L.C., you've put your finger on a real problem. And, I think your supposition is correct that in both cases what drew them to OSU was the football program. If OHIO had had a more successful football program with at least some national recognition in those years, I think it would have made a huge difference in their giving habits. That this is silly beyond belief is not in question by me, but that it's true also seems beyond reasonable argument.
I don't live in Columbus, so I really don't get the idea of Ohio alums donating to OSU. Does it happen anywhere other than Columbus? I guess I can see it occurring in the following three circumstances. First, a business owner donating whatever is the minimum threshold for purchasing season tickets if he feels that entertaining clients at OSU games is beneficial. Secondly, somebody who's life was fundamentally enhanced by the medical center, such as successful cancer treatment. Third, I guess would be an arts patron donating to the Wexner Center because it is arguably Columbus' premier cultural institution. Only the first of these would be driven by football.

I just cant' fathom an Ohio alum or alum of any other Ohio school making general donations to OSU though simply because they live in Columbus, football or no football.
This happens a lot more than you think it does. Did my time up there and even after being in Athens, I met a few in Columbus when I went up there. Lot of folks just being in Columbus and being brainwashed by them usually gets them to root for the empire.
Rooting is one thing. Some people are just prone to jumping on a winning bandwagon. What I don't understand is Ohio alums making, outside of a few relatively understandable exceptions, financial donations to a school they didn't attend.
When I say root, some will go to depths of buying season tickets and having a scarlet and gray house...
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Monroe Slavin
5/9/2017 5:08 PM
Winning? Bandwagon? Pulling OHIO people away...


Could be why some on this board agitate so strongly for a MAC championship.

Might be a significant impact on donations.



If we're going to play in the MAC, might as well endeavor to win a title, right?
Last Edited: 5/9/2017 5:09:36 PM by Monroe Slavin
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Mark Lembright '85
5/9/2017 7:36 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Winning? Bandwagon? Pulling OHIO people away...


Could be why some on this board agitate so strongly for a MAC championship.

Might be a significant impact on donations.



If we're going to play in the MAC, might as well endeavor to win a title, right?
Ohio could win 100 MACCs in a row and those Ohio alumni that donate to Ohio State (a pox upon their house!) will still donate to Ohio State. MACCs I don't think change that dynamic.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
5/9/2017 11:05 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Winning? Bandwagon? Pulling OHIO people away...


Could be why some on this board agitate so strongly for a MAC championship.

Might be a significant impact on donations.



If we're going to play in the MAC, might as well endeavor to win a title, right?
Ohio could win 100 MACCs in a row and those Ohio alumni that donate to Ohio State (a pox upon their house!) will still donate to Ohio State. MACCs I don't think change that dynamic.
+1. Only way that changes is if OU wins a natty. Hate to say it, but it's true. OU winning a natty would change the equation royally in either bball or football. Final four wouldn't even be enough in my honest opinion.
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OUs LONG Driver
5/10/2017 7:46 AM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Winning? Bandwagon? Pulling OHIO people away...


Could be why some on this board agitate so strongly for a MAC championship.

Might be a significant impact on donations.



If we're going to play in the MAC, might as well endeavor to win a title, right?
Ohio could win 100 MACCs in a row and those Ohio alumni that donate to Ohio State (a pox upon their house!) will still donate to Ohio State. MACCs I don't think change that dynamic.
+1. Only way that changes is if OU wins a natty. Hate to say it, but it's true. OU winning a natty would change the equation royally in either bball or football. Final four wouldn't even be enough in my honest opinion.
Oh we regularly get Natty's, primarily the Light version.
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rpbobcat
5/10/2017 8:14 AM
What I would like to know is if the OU/OSU phenomenon is unique to Ohio.

For example to non-Alabam alums,excluding Auburn contribute.
How about non-PSU alums donating to them.Or other places like Tenn.
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Robert Fox
5/10/2017 9:19 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
What I would like to know is if the OU/OSU phenomenon is unique to Ohio.

For example to non-Alabam alums,excluding Auburn contribute.
How about non-PSU alums donating to them.Or other places like Tenn.
That one is easy. Regarding Tennessee, no it is not unique to Ohio. Students and alumni of Middle Tennessee, Chattanooga, ETSU, Austin Peay, UT Martin and a whole host of other universities across the state PROUDLY support "their" Vols! The only exception I know of is a small contingent of Vanderbilt fans who despise the Vols. Memphis also has a few. Beyond that, it's strictly Big Orange Country.
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L.C.
5/10/2017 10:13 AM
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That one is easy. Regarding Tennessee, no it is not unique to Ohio. Students and alumni of Middle Tennessee, Chattanooga, ETSU, Austin Peay, UT Martin and a whole host of other universities across the state PROUDLY support "their" Vols! The only exception I know of is a small contingent of Vanderbilt fans who despise the Vols. Memphis also has a few. Beyond that, it's strictly Big Orange Country.

Agree, and around here it's Nebraska Wesleyan, Union College, Midlands, Peru State, Concordia, etc who struggle to build their endowment as money flows to UNL. Creighton tends to hold it's own, but not the others. My brother went to Nebraska Wesleyan, and donates to UNL.

It happens everywhere, I'm fairly sure, and that's why it's so common for FCS schools to want to move up, and uncommon for FBS schools to move down.
Last Edited: 5/10/2017 10:15:08 AM by L.C.
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Alan Swank
5/10/2017 11:33 AM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
What I would like to know is if the OU/OSU phenomenon is unique to Ohio.

For example to non-Alabam alums,excluding Auburn contribute.
How about non-PSU alums donating to them.Or other places like Tenn.
That one is easy. Regarding Tennessee, no it is not unique to Ohio. Students and alumni of Middle Tennessee, Chattanooga, ETSU, Austin Peay, UT Martin and a whole host of other universities across the state PROUDLY support "their" Vols! The only exception I know of is a small contingent of Vanderbilt fans who despise the Vols. Memphis also has a few. Beyond that, it's strictly Big Orange Country.
Very true because like tosu, UT is the top dog in the top conference in the state.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
5/10/2017 4:08 PM
Michigan has a similar phenomena, where the kids from the directional schools and basketball schools root for Michigan and Michigan State.
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