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Posted: 5/2/2017 2:52 PM
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Bike lanes all over town and they are rarely used. More likely see someone on the sidewalk with a bike than on the street in a bike lane.

Total waste of money. But when you have a town full of elected, progressive idiots this is what happens.
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Posted: 5/2/2017 3:42 PM
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Toast wrote:expand_more
Bike lanes all over town and they are rarely used. More likely see someone on the sidewalk with a bike than on the street in a bike lane.

Total waste of money. But when you have a town full of elected, progressive idiots this is what happens.
Bikes are supposed follow the same "rules of the road" as any other vehicle.

Good luck.

Out here,where there aren't bike lanes,they ride on sidewalks,against traffic and run lights.
Never saw a biker get pulled over,even when they do something wrong in front of the police.

One of the scariest things are bikers who ride in the dark with no lights or flashers.
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Posted: 5/2/2017 5:20 PM
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I used to bike a lot. I biked in the road, and followed the same rules as cars. I kept up with traffic, stopped at lights, etc. I never had a problem, and never wanted or needed a special lane. I did use the trails too, and consider them a good thing. I would not have used the lane on the middle of the street though.
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Posted: 5/3/2017 10:42 AM
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Toast wrote:expand_more
Bike lanes all over town and they are rarely used. More likely see someone on the sidewalk with a bike than on the street in a bike lane.

Total waste of money. But when you have a town full of elected, progressive idiots this is what happens.

Yeah Toast !
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Posted: 5/3/2017 12:58 PM
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I can see bike lanes getting a lot more use in a city like Philly,then in a more suburban area where I live.
Around here the bike lanes are pretty much abandoned from early November to early April.
There are also very few riders on rainy days.
Not to turn this to a bike discussion, but yes bike infrastructure does tend to be more well used in cities and towns than the suburbs. But there are some examples of suburbs that have done bike lanes and trails correctly and they have worked very well. Montgomery County, MD is a great example. If you like cycling and haven't had a chance to use their trail system I highly recommend it. The suburbs around Philly have done an outstanding job too, but more so on the PA side than the NJ side. I bike in Camden, Cherry Hill, Haddonfield, etc. regularly and there are some highlights (the Cooper River Park is great) but the big hindrance is that you will inevitably encounter a jughandle--and jughandles are not great for cyclists.
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Posted: 5/3/2017 1:13 PM
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I bike in Camden, Cherry Hill, Haddonfield, etc. regularly and there are some highlights (the Cooper River Park is great) but the big hindrance is that you will inevitably encounter a jughandle--and jughandles are not great for cyclists.
Let me preface this by saying that,other then driving through on my way to Philly,I haven't been in Camden proper in at least 5 years.
That being said,the only way I'd consider biking through parts of the city,even in daylight, is if I had an Uzi. :-)
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
I bike in Camden, Cherry Hill, Haddonfield, etc. regularly and there are some highlights (the Cooper River Park is great) but the big hindrance is that you will inevitably encounter a jughandle--and jughandles are not great for cyclists.
Let me preface this by saying that,other then driving through on my way to Philly,I haven't been in Camden proper in at least 5 years.
That being said,the only way I'd consider biking through parts of the city,even in daylight, is if I had an Uzi. :-)
That is the perception, and it has certainly been earned. But most of Camden is very safe and many areas that were formerly unsafe have improved greatly. The Cooper Grant neighborhood is full of Rutgers students and has virtually zero crime and Lanning Square is lovely.
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Posted: 5/3/2017 10:11 PM
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. . . It seems to me that they should pay for the essential things with cash (the fire station), and then put the optional things (bike lane) in the bond, and then let the voters decide whether it is a worthwhile investment. That's not how they do things here, however. They pay for the most controversial and/or frivolous things with cash, since voters might not approve them, and then put the mandatory things in the bonds, which they know will be approved.
If I didn't know better, I would have thought you were describing politicians in Athens County, Ohio.
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Posted: 5/4/2017 6:39 AM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
It seems to me that they should pay for the essential things with cash (the fire station), and then put the optional things (bike lane) in the bond, and then let the voters decide whether it is a worthwhile investment. That's not how they do things here, however. They pay for the most controversial and/or frivolous things with cash, since voters might not approve them, and then put the mandatory things in the bonds, which they know will be approved.
I don't know where you live,but at least you get to vote on bonding.

In N.J., bonding is left to the local and county governments.
They have to hold a public hearing but that's it.

We don't even have the right to have a referendum
All referendums must be non-binding.

The only things we get to vote on are state wide dedication of funds for Open Space.
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Posted: 5/4/2017 9:50 AM
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L.C. wrote:expand_more
I used to bike a lot. I biked in the road, and followed the same rules as cars. I kept up with traffic, stopped at lights, etc. I never had a problem, and never wanted or needed a special lane. I did use the trails too, and consider them a good thing. I would not have used the lane on the middle of the street though.
In Copenhagen the multitudes of bikers have "lanes" that are raised 3 or so inches above the streets.

In The Netherlands bikes just plain rule.

BTW, don't see many obese people in either of those nations. Cause and effect?
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Posted: 5/4/2017 7:40 PM
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Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
I used to bike a lot. I biked in the road, and followed the same rules as cars. I kept up with traffic, stopped at lights, etc. I never had a problem, and never wanted or needed a special lane. I did use the trails too, and consider them a good thing. I would not have used the lane on the middle of the street though.
In Copenhagen the multitudes of bikers have "lanes" that are raised 3 or so inches above the streets.

In The Netherlands bikes just plain rule.

BTW, don't see many obese people in either of those nations. Cause and effect?
When I was in Denmark I was shocked at all the bikes! I think gas was the equivalent to $12 a gallon at the time so then it made more sense. Another thing that was amusing is how they complained there weren't enough bike racks to park and secure their bikes. I definitely didn't notice as much obesity as we have in the US but on the other hand they smoke like chimneys over there!
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Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
I used to bike a lot. I biked in the road, and followed the same rules as cars. I kept up with traffic, stopped at lights, etc. I never had a problem, and never wanted or needed a special lane. I did use the trails too, and consider them a good thing. I would not have used the lane on the middle of the street though.
In Copenhagen the multitudes of bikers have "lanes" that are raised 3 or so inches above the streets.

In The Netherlands bikes just plain rule.

BTW, don't see many obese people in either of those nations. Cause and effect?
When I was in Denmark I was shocked at all the bikes! I think gas was the equivalent to $12 a gallon at the time so then it made more sense. Another thing that was amusing is how they complained there weren't enough bike racks to park and secure their bikes. I definitely didn't notice as much obesity as we have in the US but on the other hand they smoke like chimneys over there!
There are definitely parts of Philly where the bikes outnumber the racks. The city is working to boost the number of racks in these areas.

Biking can work here as a viable transportation option if we're willing to think outside the box and think about the long run. Too many people are stuck in their ways.
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Posted: 5/17/2017 12:44 PM
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I see that with construction that the beer tent will not happen this season. I figured as much but was hoping that would allow sales to open up to at least the reserve side. I guess they are waiting for the center to open to resume sales from there.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:52 PM
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Found a blueprint for Sook as well as a model of it. Check it out!

Can't post pics so please visit the link:
http://imgur.com/a/qwFVM
Last Edited: 8/2/2017 11:52:29 PM by fsohio09
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Posted: 8/3/2017 8:21 AM
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Sure would be nice to see another scoreboard on that end of the stadium. Looks like it could be placed easily on the front or roof of the facility.
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Sure would be nice to see another scoreboard on that end of the stadium. Looks like it could be placed easily on the front or roof of the facility.
I heard rumor a few years ago that that was in the works. No idea if it's true, though.
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Found a blueprint for Sook as well as a model of it. Check it out!

Can't post pics so please visit the link:
http://imgur.com/a/qwFVM
Amazing how nice the model makes the bleachers look.

The brown "field" reminds of the end of season,when the field was grass.
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Found a blueprint for Sook as well as a model of it. Check it out!

Can't post pics so please visit the link:
http://imgur.com/a/qwFVM
Amazing how nice the model makes the bleachers look.

The brown "field" reminds of the end of season,when the field was grass.
Some kind of scoreboard/ribbon board on that would look pretty darn good. A rooftop "suite" would also be a great idea - rent-able hospitality space game by game would be really cool.
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I remember reading a little extra money was thrown into the construction costs to make the space more navigatable, line up the bathroom plumbing on both levels and move some the HVAC equipment off the roof. This new design is bigger and builds the center closer to the field. Its also taller. They expanded the balcony to wrap 3 sides around where it faces in Peden to get more people up there.
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Posted: 8/4/2017 8:39 AM
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Found a blueprint for Sook as well as a model of it. Check it out!

Can't post pics so please visit the link:
http://imgur.com/a/qwFVM
Amazing how nice the model makes the bleachers look.

The brown "field" reminds of the end of season,when the field was grass.
That is amazing. The model also makes Sook look like a Ski Lodge.

I'm excited about how Peden will look with Sook built, although I'd be more excited if we could fix those stupid corners.
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The drawing and the 3D model don't seem to match.
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Yeah, they're not really accurate. The building will be curved to match the curvature of the stands, and the model doesn't reflect that. There will be less gap on each side between the building and stands as well, I believe. I think it's going to be a huge aesthetic upgrade to Peden.
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When do we start digging?
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This will make the stadium more competitive recruiting against programs with 40,000 seat stadiums out on the recruiting trail. No longer will it look like a High School stadium. This and the upgraded student lounge is the last piece of the puzzle to start bringing in WMU type recruiting classes IMO.
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Do I sense some sarcasm there Wes?
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