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Posted: 9/5/2017 12:31 AM
Last season (2016), Marshall opened with a 62-0 whipping of Morgan State. This easy win over a bottom of the barrel MEAC opponent didn't help Marshall prepare for game 2. Marshall lost 65-38 to an average Akron team. The following week, Marshall embarrassed itself against Louisville. And the season went down the tube from there, finishing 3-9.

Ohio just beat another MEAC team, Hampton by 59-0. According to Sagarin, Hampton is about nine points better than Morgan State, and that's the margin Hampton beat them by last year. So while Hampton is better than Morgan State (and Hampton is better by the eye test too, as Morgan State looked like poorly conditioned athletes vs Marshall), this 59-0 Ohio win may not mean that much. Will this easy Ohio win help them prepare for Purdue....unlike how Marshalls easy win over Morgan State actually hurt them vs Akron last year?
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Posted: 9/5/2017 6:11 AM
While I wouldn't want the Bobcats playing the likes of Alabama (and thus risking excessive injuries on top of National embarrassment), I don't see the point of playing the Hamptons of the world either. I suppose that it is kind of like a scrimmage, but without any real serious competition. What is the point of playing non-conference games if not an opportunity to see where your ball club is by the time that you reach conference play and the games thus begin to really count. I agree, Jeff, that this game tells us nothing about the Bobcats, and that it could even hurt their preparation for Purdue. I mean, what has the team learned about themselves that they need to continue to work on?
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Posted: 9/5/2017 9:02 AM
I don't have a problem with us playing one FCS opponent per season...I just hope that the players and staff don't get overconfident in the aftermath of the 59-0 blowout win. That seemed to be what happened to Marshall last year, and it set in motion the dominoes falling toward a bad season.
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Posted: 9/5/2017 10:53 AM
There may be a difference in coaching, too. I can recall a Frank Solich team being overconfident maybe just once. That might've been for VMI. Plus, we're not playing an Akron this week. MAC teams rarely get overconfident playing at a B10 school.
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Posted: 9/5/2017 11:27 AM
Frank Solich > Doc Holiday

In the immortal words of Alfred E. Neuman,"What me worry?"
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Posted: 9/5/2017 12:27 PM
If we run the ball well and don't turn it over, we're in this game with a good shot to win.

I'll be damned if after 59 points Saturday we still really don't have any idea what to expect out of our passing game. this will be interesting. receivers won't be wide open all day, so there can't be misses when they are and there can't be interceptions.
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Posted: 9/5/2017 6:14 PM
Agree that playing a Big Ten will help ensure mental and physical prep. And Solich is good with stuff like this.
Last Edited: 9/5/2017 6:14:21 PM by Jeff McKinney
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Posted: 9/5/2017 8:32 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
If we run the ball well and don't turn it over, we're in this game with a good shot to win.

I'll be damned if after 59 points Saturday we still really don't have any idea what to expect out of our passing game. this will be interesting. receivers won't be wide open all day, so there can't be misses when they are and there can't be interceptions.
I think our best bet is conservative offense and aggressive defense. Run the ball to keep Purdue off the field, and when they are on the field, take gambles to create turnovers. Purdue isn't going to run the ball. Don't sit in a base 4-3 and react. And if our QBs have thrown 30 passes by game's end, we've lost.
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Posted: 9/6/2017 7:02 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
I don't have a problem with us playing one FCS opponent per season...I just hope that the players and staff don't get overconfident in the aftermath of the 59-0 blowout win. That seemed to be what happened to Marshall last year, and it set in motion the dominoes falling toward a bad season.

A big win doesn't prove anything, but it's better than the alternative. FCS teams do upset G5 and P5 teams sometimes. The other benefit of this being a dominating win is that no one got hurt, and the starters were able to leave early. Since this is a short week, that could help, come Friday night.

To me the single most positive thing about this game was how dominant Ohio's offensive line was, which enabled them to push the ball into the endzone every time they were in the Red Zone. I don't expect them to be that totally dominant going forward, but if they continue to be improved from prior years, it will be a good season.
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Posted: 9/6/2017 11:37 AM
In another thread, someone posted the win totals of teams that opened up the season with a win over 50 points.

Rather than look at one example, I think that is a better approach to examining this issue. Better data.
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Posted: 9/6/2017 3:04 PM
Even though we are D1 program as well, those programs are in need of money as well playing us. I wonder how much we paid Hampton? Even though Purdue has struggled with MAC Teams in the last few years, they are only paying us $600,000 for the game in West Lafeyette. We need that money as well for our program and it gives us an opportunity to strut our stuff against a BIG10 program. FCS Liberty Caylin Newton (Cam Newton's little brother) led a victory against UNLV in Nevada this past weekend. Never take an FCS team lightly because their games against us are their SUPER BOWLS.
It gives the coach an opportunity to show how much the team has developed over summer and it allows us to disguise our Week 2 plans when we use more 2nd and 3rd team players. It also allows our starters to get reps like (NFL Preseason) and not get hurt; a la Florida State's QB. Granted our rivals Akron and Kent always schedule top tier competition (look at those teams past 5-8 year schedule), however, they do not finish well and have more injuries from the beginning of the year. I do not think FCS wins should count toward bowl eligibility, especially any POWER 5. Just my opinion though fellas!
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Posted: 9/6/2017 3:58 PM
I believe that in addition to the $600,000, Purdue basketball will visit Athens in some future year, which is also of some value. Akron did play a ranked foe in week one, but they have an upcoming game against Arkansas Pine Bluff, too.
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Posted: 9/6/2017 5:41 PM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
Even though we are D1 program as well, those programs are in need of money as well playing us. I wonder how much we paid Hampton? Even though Purdue has struggled with MAC Teams in the last few years, they are only paying us $600,000 for the game in West Lafeyette. We need that money as well for our program and it gives us an opportunity to strut our stuff against a BIG10 program. FCS Liberty Caylin Newton (Cam Newton's little brother) led a victory against UNLV in Nevada this past weekend. Never take an FCS team lightly because their games against us are their SUPER BOWLS.
It gives the coach an opportunity to show how much the team has developed over summer and it allows us to disguise our Week 2 plans when we use more 2nd and 3rd team players. It also allows our starters to get reps like (NFL Preseason) and not get hurt; a la Florida State's QB. Granted our rivals Akron and Kent always schedule top tier competition (look at those teams past 5-8 year schedule), however, they do not finish well and have more injuries from the beginning of the year. I do not think FCS wins should count toward bowl eligibility, especially any POWER 5. Just my opinion though fellas!
UNLV pays $600k, the same amount that we took from a Big10 school. That going rate from the Big 10 is approaching $800k to 1.2million.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 9:29 AM
ExCat...Liberty defeated Baylor. It was Howard that knocked off UNLV in arguably one of the biggest upsets in college history.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:03 AM
You are correct Jeff. It was Howard. Apologies
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:05 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I believe that in addition to the $600,000, Purdue basketball will visit Athens in some future year, which is also of some value. Akron did play a ranked foe in week one, but they have an upcoming game against Arkansas Pine Bluff, too.
Is this true? Home game or at West Lafayette? That would be a great game!!!!
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Posted: 9/7/2017 10:07 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
ExCat...Liberty defeated Baylor. It was Howard that knocked off UNLV in arguably one of the biggest upsets in college history.
Let me don the ol' tinfoil hat and point out how curious it is that the losing team in this biggest upset ever was the University of Nevada - Las Vegas.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:38 AM
ExCat21 wrote:expand_more
I believe that in addition to the $600,000, Purdue basketball will visit Athens in some future year, which is also of some value. Akron did play a ranked foe in week one, but they have an upcoming game against Arkansas Pine Bluff, too.

Is this true? Home game or at West Lafayette? That would be a great game!!!!

My recollection is that I read that as a part of the payment for Ohio playing the single football game at Purdue, Purdue agreed to a home and home contract for basketball. Hopefully, if I have this wrong, someone will correct me.
Last Edited: 9/7/2017 11:38:46 AM by L.C.
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Posted: 9/7/2017 6:45 PM
Speaking of the Howard-UNLV game. My youngest daughter's father-in-law went to Howard. He would very much like to view the video of this game. I've search high and low for an archived video of the game and can't find one. All I can find is very short excerpts -- not even highlights. Can anyone point me to the location of a game archive? Thanks.
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