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OU_Country
8/30/2017 11:17 AM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
Shabamon, I hope we avoid many of the QB keepers. If we want to go conservative, I'd rather see quick passes, rather than keepers that get our QB hit repeatedly. I'd love to see a gameplan where we are rarely exposing our QB to injury. I feel like every year, we suffer at least one QB injury, if not more.
Co-sign. When you find "the guy" under center, you've gotta keep him on the field. Some of the past game plans have gotten QBs unnecessarily beaten up.
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OU_Country
8/30/2017 11:21 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
The last time we opened the season with an FCS opponent was 2010 against Wofford. As I recall, we played VERY conservatively. In fact, we had 47 rushing attempts to 17 pass attempts. With so much inexperience at WR and Purdue the following week, I would expect the same. Brown and Ouellette each with 15+ rushes, several QB keepers. Almost no deep shots. We win 27-6.
Boy, I hope you're wrong on the game plan. I guess the positive is that running the ball keeps the clock moving, and the game time under 4 hours.
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SWBC
8/30/2017 11:33 AM
I'm thinking it will depend on the weather. If we end up getting heavy rain from Harvey remnants on Saturday night, I could see fewer passes and more running. I also agree with the conservative approach. We should be able to handle Hampton without opening up the play book too much. We should save some of the fancier plays for Purdue, Kansas and league play and not let on to what we are all about offensively and defensively this year until we need to.
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OhioCatFan
8/30/2017 12:32 PM
SWBC wrote:expand_more
. . . not let on to what we are all about offensively and defensively this year until we need to.
I see fans can do coach speak, too! ;-) The expression "what we are all about" is a tried and true Frankism. I just find it interesting to follow the evolution of sports lingo and to find linguistic roots of expressions. Does anyone know if Tom Osborne or Bob Devaney used this expression?
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SWBC
8/30/2017 12:54 PM
Yep. For the opener: WWAAA=AJUTM
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Ted Thompson
8/30/2017 1:44 PM
Game Notes are up and link is in the original post of this thread.
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C Money
8/30/2017 2:12 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
Game Notes are up and link is in the original post of this thread.
Wood listed as the starter at RG. I hope that's not a misprint and that he's healthy enough to play. That will assuage a lot of my concerns about OL depth.

Edit: It also has Ball as a starter at WR, soooooooo.....I think my concerns remain un-assuaged.
Last Edited: 8/30/2017 2:16:05 PM by C Money
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colobobcat66
8/30/2017 2:16 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
The media guide looks like a joke to me. Does anybody proof read it? Yeah, Solich has been here 11 years and the schedule is for 2016(page 3). Hard to have much confidence in anything in it if they can't even get that right. Yeah and Bob Stoops is still coaching Oklahoma it says. And Solich says Dave Johnson is now Co-offensive coordinator, but the media guide writer doesn't know it. I'm just saying that you don't have to be paying too much attention to see mistakes. Very frustrating, and I would guess someone is being paid to put this out, please be more careful, whoever it is.
You might want to take up a hobby that is less stressful for you. Finding typos like "2016" that should say "2017" can be especially unnerving.
Not unnerving at all, just indicative of a larger problem.
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GoCats105
8/30/2017 2:20 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Shabamon, I hope we avoid many of the QB keepers. If we want to go conservative, I'd rather see quick passes, rather than keepers that get our QB hit repeatedly. I'd love to see a gameplan where we are rarely exposing our QB to injury. I feel like every year, we suffer at least one QB injury, if not more.
Co-sign. When you find "the guy" under center, you've gotta keep him on the field. Some of the past game plans have gotten QBs unnecessarily beaten up.
Except they haven't found their QB. They've been using a 2QB system pretty much most of Frank's tenure. The years with only using Theo or TT were exceptions to the norm.
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C Money
8/30/2017 2:30 PM
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I generally don't like to make fun of anyone's name, but seeing the name Oral Varccian did remind me that they gave us sugar cubes laced with polio vaccine when I was a kid.

There may be rain in the forecast for Saturday. Hurricane Harvey is supposed to move out of Texas Thursday and may be here next weekend. I saw a map showing that we might get a quarter to an inch of rain.
Maaaannnn....I hope your weather forecast is wrong. That would really ruin the full day of Court St, tailgating and football.
A lot depends on the storm's movement and size. The latest prediction has the center of the storm between Nashville and Memphis at 2 a.m. Saturday and southeast of Lexington by 2 a.m. Sunday. But they're predicting rain in western and southern Kentucky by 8 a.m. Friday.
Latest from the NWS:

Saturday
Showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm before 10am, then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after 10am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 74. Chance of precipitation is 60%.

Saturday Night
A chance of showers and thunderstorms before 10pm, then a chance of showers between 10pm and 1am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 60. Chance of precipitation is 30%.


So tailgating is at risk for a washout, but decent odds that the storms will be done by 7pm.
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OU_Country
8/30/2017 2:32 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Shabamon, I hope we avoid many of the QB keepers. If we want to go conservative, I'd rather see quick passes, rather than keepers that get our QB hit repeatedly. I'd love to see a gameplan where we are rarely exposing our QB to injury. I feel like every year, we suffer at least one QB injury, if not more.
Co-sign. When you find "the guy" under center, you've gotta keep him on the field. Some of the past game plans have gotten QBs unnecessarily beaten up.
Except they haven't found their QB. They've been using a 2QB system pretty much most of Frank's tenure. The years with only using Theo or TT were exceptions to the norm.
Fair point. When you're as QB deficient as Ohio has been, keeping the ones that show to be obviously better on the field is important. That's the point I was trying to make anyway. These QB dive/draw plays out of the shotgun aren't my idea of doing that. The QB takes a ton of hits from the big guys up front.
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L.C.
8/30/2017 5:56 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
... The years with only using Theo or TT were exceptions to the norm.
Here's the numbers, total passes attempted by year, leading passers, and the percentage of attempts by that one person:
2005 262, Everson, 84%
2006 328, Everson, 78% (Everson missed a game)
2007 341, Bower, 68%
2008 382, Jackson, 81% (played after Scott got hurt)
2009 398, Scott, 87%
2010 268, Jackson, 92% (why so few passes?)
2011 426, Tettleton, 97%
2012 397, Tettleton, 93%
2013 422, Tettleton, 88% (missed a game)
2014 375, Sprague 54%
2015 404, Vick 62%
2016 458, Windham, 65%

I would say that the only years where the alternated QBs were 2007 and 2014-16, and in 2014-15 it was more a question of which QB was healthy than a planned rotation. To me, 2007 and 2016 were the only two years with a year long battle for the top QB spot.
Last Edited: 8/30/2017 6:00:57 PM by L.C.
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Ted Thompson
8/30/2017 11:58 PM

 

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Valley Cat
8/31/2017 6:49 AM
I believe Wood is for sure out for this game. Hoping for a speedy return.
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Sam bobcat
8/31/2017 8:13 AM
Defense Depth Chart for Hampton

DE 96 Kevin Robbins
2nd 98 Chukwudi Chukwu

DT 54 Tony Porter
2nd 48 Andrew Payne

NT 92 Cleon Aloese
2nd 97 Kent Berger

DE 90 Trent Smart
2nd 55 Sam McKnight

SLB 38 Chad Moore
2nd 35 Dylan Conner

MLB 32 Quentin Poling
2nd 36 Austin Clack

WLB 47 Evan Crouch
2nd 40 Cody Grilliot

RCB 3 Bradd Ellis
2nd 41 Ilyaas Motley

SS 2 Javon Hagan
2nd 31 Grant Cunningham

FS 23 Kylan Nelson
2nd 25 Tyler Gullett

LCB 21 Jalen Fox
2nd 4 Jamal Hudson
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shabamon
8/31/2017 8:34 AM
I count eight, maybe nine players on our defensive two-deep that were at one point walk-ons. Many praises to those individuals for their hard work, but are we whiffing on recruiting when players who have been on scholarship all along don't dominate the depth chart?
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OU_Country
8/31/2017 9:49 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
... The years with only using Theo or TT were exceptions to the norm.
Here's the numbers, total passes attempted by year, leading passers, and the percentage of attempts by that one person:
2005 262, Everson, 84%
2006 328, Everson, 78% (Everson missed a game)
2007 341, Bower, 68%
2008 382, Jackson, 81% (played after Scott got hurt)
2009 398, Scott, 87%
2010 268, Jackson, 92% (why so few passes?)
2011 426, Tettleton, 97%
2012 397, Tettleton, 93%
2013 422, Tettleton, 88% (missed a game)
2014 375, Sprague 54%
2015 404, Vick 62%
2016 458, Windham, 65%

I would say that the only years where the alternated QBs were 2007 and 2014-16, and in 2014-15 it was more a question of which QB was healthy than a planned rotation. To me, 2007 and 2016 were the only two years with a year long battle for the top QB spot.
Thanks for the breakdown LC. I was essentially thinking of the years post TT. Seems like in those years, Vick, Sprague, Windham were often injured. Plus TT was injured his senior season. Maybe I'm exaggerating the affect of too much QB running related to those years?
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Doc Bobcat
8/31/2017 10:07 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
I count eight, maybe nine players on our defensive two-deep that were at one point walk-ons. Many praises to those individuals for their hard work, but are we whiffing on recruiting when players who have been on scholarship all along don't dominate the depth chart?
No doubt a combination of things. Injuries would have to factor in why certain players move up.

Transfers are also on the 2 deep and they may or may not be considered walk ons .... Gullett came from Toledo.... Payne played basketball at Shawnee State...and Chukwu from a small WVa college.

Maybe they just have a lot to prove.
Last Edited: 8/31/2017 10:11:05 AM by Doc Bobcat
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Sam bobcat
8/31/2017 10:42 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
I count eight, maybe nine players on our defensive two-deep that were at one point walk-ons. Many praises to those individuals for their hard work, but are we whiffing on recruiting when players who have been on scholarship all along don't dominate the depth chart?
I think that's just part of recruiting. Every team in the country has scholarship seniors sitting on the bench. Including many who were 4 and 5 star recruits. You never know which of your recruits are going to be players until you get them on the field. Athletic ability and physical measurements are only part of the game. The other parts are the immeasurables, like, desire, toughness, work ethic, instincts, pride, etc. In my opinion, these are more important in determining who ends up playing. Granted, you have to have a certain amount of athletic ability also.
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L.C.
8/31/2017 10:51 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
I count eight, maybe nine players on our defensive two-deep that were at one point walk-ons. Many praises to those individuals for their hard work, but are we whiffing on recruiting when players who have been on scholarship all along don't dominate the depth chart?

I think it reflects three things:
1. I would say that Ohio is getting a reputation as a place where a walkon gets treated fairly, and has a chance to earn a scholarship, so I think Ohio is attracting better walkons. Clack, if you recall, was referred to Ohio by the same person who referred OUellette.

2. Remember that the MAC is near the bottom of FBS, so the difference between players who get a MAC offer and those who don't can be very small on paper. If the player with no offer comes in with, as Doc put it, "something to prove", he may outperform the one with the scholarship.

3. With the high injury rate in recent years we've seen a lot of scholarship players leave the program.
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Kevin Finnegan
8/31/2017 11:59 AM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
I count eight, maybe nine players on our defensive two-deep that were at one point walk-ons. Many praises to those individuals for their hard work, but are we whiffing on recruiting when players who have been on scholarship all along don't dominate the depth chart?
I think that's just part of recruiting. Every team in the country has scholarship seniors sitting on the bench. Including many who were 4 and 5 star recruits.
I don't believe this last sentence is even close to accurate. It sounds good as hyperbole, but current numbers do not bear that out. The current senior class would have come from 2013 or 2014, correct (depending on redshirts)? Just using the 2013 numbers, there were a grand total of 33 5 star recruits in the entire country. In 2014, the same number (33).

So, out of 33 recruits in 2013, there are six not in the NFL right now. Kenny Bigelow is a starter at USC, Matthew Thomas is leading returning tackler for FSU, and Frank Herron is starting DT for LSU. The possible questionable ones are Mike Mitchell, formerly of Ohio State, who is now in DII, Thomas Tyner, who medically retired and is now attempting a comeback with Oregon State, Ty Isaac, backup RB at Michigan after transferring from USC, and Max Redfield, who is no longer in DI due to legal troubles.

In 2014, there are 15 of the 33 not currently in the NFL. One, Speedy Noil, is the result of entering draft early and getting cut. The other 14 are all starting in college currently at their positions. The closest you could come to a questionable one would be Racean Thomas, who transferred to Jacksonville State to be their starting RB. Other than that, all other 5 star recruits are starters at their college and many are expected to be first-round draft picks (Da'Shawn Hand, Quin Blanding, Kyle Allen, Sony Michel, Rashaan Evans, Bo Scarbrough, Damian Prince, Chad Thomas, Tre Williams, Tony Brown, Ermon Lane, Quenton Nelson, Andrew Brown).

A 5-star prospect is rare and almost always pans out. There are exceptions, but they are very rare. So to say that many 5 star recruits are scholarship seniors riding the pine, that's inaccurate. Best you could say is that fits maybe 2 or 3 seniors in the entire country.
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UpSan Bobcat
8/31/2017 12:06 PM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
I count eight, maybe nine players on our defensive two-deep that were at one point walk-ons. Many praises to those individuals for their hard work, but are we whiffing on recruiting when players who have been on scholarship all along don't dominate the depth chart?
I think that's just part of recruiting. Every team in the country has scholarship seniors sitting on the bench. Including many who were 4 and 5 star recruits.
I don't believe this last sentence is even close to accurate. It sounds good as hyperbole, but current numbers do not bear that out. The current senior class would have come from 2013 or 2014, correct (depending on redshirts)? Just using the 2013 numbers, there were a grand total of 33 5 star recruits in the entire country. In 2014, the same number (33).

So, out of 33 recruits in 2013, there are six not in the NFL right now. Kenny Bigelow is a starter at USC, Matthew Thomas is leading returning tackler for FSU, and Frank Herron is starting DT for LSU. The possible questionable ones are Mike Mitchell, formerly of Ohio State, who is now in DII, Thomas Tyner, who medically retired and is now attempting a comeback with Oregon State, Ty Isaac, backup RB at Michigan after transferring from USC, and Max Redfield, who is no longer in DI due to legal troubles.

In 2014, there are 15 of the 33 not currently in the NFL. One, Speedy Noil, is the result of entering draft early and getting cut. The other 14 are all starting in college currently at their positions. The closest you could come to a questionable one would be Racean Thomas, who transferred to Jacksonville State to be their starting RB. Other than that, all other 5 star recruits are starters at their college and many are expected to be first-round draft picks (Da'Shawn Hand, Quin Blanding, Kyle Allen, Sony Michel, Rashaan Evans, Bo Scarbrough, Damian Prince, Chad Thomas, Tre Williams, Tony Brown, Ermon Lane, Quenton Nelson, Andrew Brown).

A 5-star prospect is rare and almost always pans out. There are exceptions, but they are very rare. So to say that many 5 star recruits are scholarship seniors riding the pine, that's inaccurate. Best you could say is that fits maybe 2 or 3 seniors in the entire country.
Maybe to say that there are many is an exaggeration but you showed that it is true of a few 5-star recruits. I bet it is even more true of 4-star recruits.

When you get down to Ohio's level, of course there are going to be 2-star recruits who get beat out by guys who were considered just a notch below and were preferred walk-ons.
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Pataskala
8/31/2017 1:15 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Latest from the NWS:

Saturday
Showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm before 10am, then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after 10am. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 74. Chance of precipitation is 60%.

Saturday Night
A chance of showers and thunderstorms before 10pm, then a chance of showers between 10pm and 1am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 60. Chance of precipitation is 30%.


So tailgating is at risk for a washout, but decent odds that the storms will be done by 7pm.
Channel 4's predicting about a half-inch of rain from Saturday morning to Sunday morning.
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L.C.
8/31/2017 2:00 PM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
I don't believe this last sentence is even close to accurate. ...

I have always said that recruiting ratings are accurate at the high end, subject of course to off the field issues (grades, legal, etc) and injury. At the low end there is not much accuracy. That isn't surprising as the recruiting services spend the bulk of their time on the high end, and not much on the low end. You even see the recruiting services acknowledging that. ESPN doesn't even attempt to rate non-P5 recruits, Rivals has dropped their recruiting pages for non-P5 schools, and treat them essentially the same as FCS schools, and Scout pretty much gives everyone a "2 Star" rating, making a good G5 recruit indistinguishable from a poor one.
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Sam bobcat
8/31/2017 2:05 PM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
I count eight, maybe nine players on our defensive two-deep that were at one point walk-ons. Many praises to those individuals for their hard work, but are we whiffing on recruiting when players who have been on scholarship all along don't dominate the depth chart?
I think that's just part of recruiting. Every team in the country has scholarship seniors sitting on the bench. Including many who were 4 and 5 star recruits.
I don't believe this last sentence is even close to accurate. It sounds good as hyperbole, but current numbers do not bear that out. The current senior class would have come from 2013 or 2014, correct (depending on redshirts)? Just using the 2013 numbers, there were a grand total of 33 5 star recruits in the entire country. In 2014, the same number (33).

So, out of 33 recruits in 2013, there are six not in the NFL right now. Kenny Bigelow is a starter at USC, Matthew Thomas is leading returning tackler for FSU, and Frank Herron is starting DT for LSU. The possible questionable ones are Mike Mitchell, formerly of Ohio State, who is now in DII, Thomas Tyner, who medically retired and is now attempting a comeback with Oregon State, Ty Isaac, backup RB at Michigan after transferring from USC, and Max Redfield, who is no longer in DI due to legal troubles.

In 2014, there are 15 of the 33 not currently in the NFL. One, Speedy Noil, is the result of entering draft early and getting cut. The other 14 are all starting in college currently at their positions. The closest you could come to a questionable one would be Racean Thomas, who transferred to Jacksonville State to be their starting RB. Other than that, all other 5 star recruits are starters at their college and many are expected to be first-round draft picks (Da'Shawn Hand, Quin Blanding, Kyle Allen, Sony Michel, Rashaan Evans, Bo Scarbrough, Damian Prince, Chad Thomas, Tre Williams, Tony Brown, Ermon Lane, Quenton Nelson, Andrew Brown).

A 5-star prospect is rare and almost always pans out. There are exceptions, but they are very rare. So to say that many 5 star recruits are scholarship seniors riding the pine, that's inaccurate. Best you could say is that fits maybe 2 or 3 seniors in the entire country.
I didn't say many 5 star recruits. I said many were 4 and 5 star. So if there are many 4 star and a few 5 star, then how am I not even close to being accurate? Seems I'm at least close. No?
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